Masters in Small Business M&A

In this episode, Peter Lehrman sits down with Sam Rosati, founder of Pursuant Capital and the original sponsor of Perimeter Solutions Group (PSG), to explore his approach to scaling a single commercial fencing business in the Tampa, FL region and scaling growth across the sunbelt stages through five acquisitions and meaningful organic growth. Sam gets into the unique dynamics of the commercial fencing industry, the importance of aligning with strong operational teams, and Sam’s orientation to back management teams rather than retiring owners. Sam also reflects on his experience partnering with Chris Kliefoth, his co-founder and operating partner, and the role of thoughtful deal sourcing in shaping PSG’s success. The conversation dives into add-on acquisitions, the challenges of scaling a service-based business, and the value of getting face-to-face with sellers ASAP in the deal-sourcing funnel.  The conversation finishes up with Sam talking about his search for a new lower middle market acquisition in 2025 and how he is thinking about this next big chapter.  Discussion Points: Sam Rosati’s background and his transition from big law to small business M&A The inception of Perimeter Solutions Group (PSG) and the decision to focus on commercial fencing Key advantages of commercial fencing, including its project lifecycle and customer relationships Sourcing the deal in Tampa, and how it came into focus Building a successful partnership between an operating partner and a dealmaker The importance of a strong team in scaling operations and managing growth Strategic acquisitions to expand geographic reach and service capabilities Maintaining a balance between growth and operational excellence The impact of a recapitalization on PSG’s future growth plans Evolving strategies for deal sourcing, including inbound, outbound, and relationship-building The potential for younger management teams to drive success in blue-collar services The future of independent sponsors and the opportunities for young operators in the lower middle market The significance of long-term partnerships with family offices and flexible capital providers Masters in Small Business M&A (sign up for podcast drops here) is produced by its host Peter Lehrman and the team at Axial (www.axial.com). Axial makes it easy for small business owners to confidentially explore growth capital and exit transactions with top-ranked lower middle market M&A advisors and professional capital partners. In every episode, we explore the dynamic world of small business M&A, interviewing a mix of proven and emerging owners, operators, acquirers, and M&A advisors whose strategies and methods are being put to the test. If you’d like to go deeper, head to Axial.com, where we make available the Axial member directories, downloadable tools for dealmakers, the Axial quarterly lower middle market investment banking league-table rankings, the SMB M&A pipeline report, and other useful information. If you’re a business owner, professional acquirer, or M&A advisor, you can start using Axial for free at Axial.com. Resources Sam Rosati LinkedIn Sam Rosati X Chris Kliefoth LinkedIn Peter Lehrman LinkedIn Peter Lehrman X Pursuant Capital Website Perimeter Solutions Group Website Axial Website

In this episode, Peter Lehrman sits down with Michael Arrieta, founder of Garden City, to discuss his unique journey from a successful career in tech with companies like DocuSign to founding a people-first holding company focused on service-based businesses. Michael shares insights into his decision to leave tech, the principles guiding Garden City, and the impact of a values-driven approach to business acquisition and management. The conversation also examines Garden City's investment thesis, focusing on B2B nationwide services, and how Michael's team is bringing mission-aligned shareholders into the fold. This episode is packed with actionable insights for anyone interested in small business acquisitions and the human side of M&A. Discussion Points: Michael Arrieta’s transition from tech to small business acquisitions. The inspiration behind founding Garden City and its core mission. Garden City’s focus on service-based businesses with B2B nationwide services. The importance of mission-aligned shareholders and building trust-based relationships. Challenges faced in the lower middle market and the importance of simplicity in business models. The development of the 3F program (Faith, Family, and Finances) for enriching employees' lives. The role of community and shareholder engagement in Garden City’s success. Insights into the process of deal flow management and strategic acquisition. Lessons learned from five years of running Garden City, including the importance of focus and team structure. Masters in Small Business M&A (sign up for podcast drops here) is produced by its host, Peter Lehrman, and the team at Axial (www.axial.com). Axial makes it easy for small business owners to confidentially explore growth capital and exit transactions with top-ranked lower middle market M&A advisors, strategic acquirers, and professional capital partners. In every episode, we explore the dynamic world of small business M&A, interviewing a mix of proven and emerging owners, operators, acquirers, and M&A advisors whose strategies and methods are being put to the test. If you’d like to go deeper, head to Axial.com, where we make available the Axial member directories, downloadable tools for dealmakers, the Axial quarterly lower middle market investment banking league-table rankings, the SMB M&A pipeline report, and other useful information. If you’re a business owner, professional acquirer, or M&A advisor, you can start using Axial for free at Axial.com. Resources:  Michael Arrieta LinkedIn Michael Arrieta X Peter Lehrman LinkedIn Peter Lehrman X Garden City Website Axial Website

Today’s conversation is with Ryan Sullivan, Managing Director and Co-Founder at North Park Group (https://northparkgroup.com/), a Chicago-based private investment firm focused on acquiring and operating US-based manufacturing and distribution businesses for the very long-term.  Ryan was a multi-chapter manufacturing operator and CEO and North Park Group reflects this operator DNA.  He shares his experience and investment perspectives on the resilience and adaptability of US-based manufacturing, how he and his team get comfortable taking an extremely long-term view of U.S. manufacturing, his unconventional approach to personal guarantees and leverage, LP liquidity, and the importance of taking care of every employee.  The key topics we cover in this 60-minute conversation include:  Manufacturing in America in 2040 — A 15+ Year View  What Separates Winners and Losers in the U.S. Manufacturing Space  The North Park Model: De-Risking Transactions and Taking the Conservative Approach  The Labor Spectrum and Why Every Employee Counts   The Emotional Impact of M&A: Why an Anti-Climatic Transition is the Best Transition  Providing LP Liquidity with Indefinite Hold Periods  Masters in Small Business M&A (sign up for podcast drops here) is produced by its host Peter Lehrman and the team at Axial (www.axial.com). Axial makes it easy for small business owners to confidentially explore growth capital and exit transactions with top-ranked lower middle market M&A advisors and professional capital partners. In every episode, we explore the dynamic world of small business M&A, interviewing a mix of proven and emerging owners, operators, acquirers, and M&A advisors whose strategies and methods are being put to the test.  If you’d like to go deeper, head to Axial.com, where we make available Axial’s member directories, downloadable tools for dealmakers, the Axial lower middle market investment banking league-table rankings, the SMB M&A pipeline report, and other useful information. If you’re a business owner, professional acquirer, or M&A advisor, you can start using Axial for free at Axial.com.  Subscribe to Masters in Small Business M&A  Resources:  Peter Lehrman on LinkedIn  Follow Peter Lehrman on X  Ryan Sullivan LinkedIn  North Park Group  Axial Website   

Today’s conversation is with Tom Barber, Co-Founder and Managing Partner at SBJ Capital (https://www.sbjcap.com), a California-based private equity firm investing into the consumer and business services verticals.  In this episode, Tom dives into how he and his team continue to build SBJ Capital, paying special attention to some of the firm’s most unconventional beliefs and organizational design decisions. Tom is remarkably and refreshingly an “open book” about how he and SBJ have gone about building and differentiating their firm. In this 50-minute conversation, we cover the following topics:  What it Took to “Win” in the 2000s vs. What it Takes Today The Evolution of Teams & Talent in Private Equity How to Avoid Unintended Consequences with the Operating Partner Model SBJ Capital’s “Sourcing Partner” Program  Investing in the “Boring” Supply Chain That Power Consumer Brands And then we go into two case studies and some advice for young professionals The Perfect Purée: A Case Study in Substantial Growth via GTM and Sales Channels  Troy Lee Designs: Tripling EBITDA in a Hyper-Niche Consumer Market How the Perfect Private Equity Resume is Changing for Young Professionals Masters in Small Business M&A (sign up for podcast drops here) is produced by its host Peter Lehrman and the team at Axial (www.axial.com). Axial makes it easy for small business owners to confidentially explore growth capital and exit transactions with top-ranked lower middle market M&A advisors and professional capital partners. In every episode, we explore the dynamic world of small business M&A, interviewing a mix of proven and emerging owners, operators, acquirers, and M&A advisors whose strategies and methods are being put to the test. If you’d like to go deeper, head to Axial.com, where we make available the Axial member directories, downloadable tools for dealmakers, the Axial quarterly lower middle market investment banking league-table rankings, the SMB M&A pipeline report, and other useful information. If you’re a business owner, professional acquirer, or M&A advisor, you can start using Axial for free at Axial.com. Subscribe to Masters in Small Business M&A   Resources: Peter Lehrman on LinkedIn Follow Peter Lehrman on X Tom Barber LinkedIn SBJ Capital Axial Website

Today’s guest is Marshall Lockton. Marshall spent 15 years in sales, sales strategy and sales training roles within his family’s storied private insurance brokerage business (Lockton) before leaving to acquire his first business. In October 2023, he acquired Knight Agency, a specialized consultancy that helps organizations unlock performance by uniquely connecting a company’s purpose, story, values, people and products.  Marshall’s journey as an acquirer is just beginning, but his prior career building sales and sales training programs inside one of the most successful private insurance brokerage companies gives him a mid-career operator’s advantage over many newly minted MBAs pursuing EtA.  Marshall discusses his experiences in the family business, the personal considerations he had to weigh by joining the business, the value of establishing purpose before investing, and the lessons learned at Lockton around culture, autonomy, and nailing sales incentives. The conversation concludes with Marshall getting into the details of the Knight Agency acquisition, highlighting the strategic importance of long-term vision, building relationships, and shared focus on people and purpose-driven work. Discussion Points: Marshall’s decision to join the family-owned insurance brokerage Family business dynamics, honest feedback, growth, and community Establishing your personal core and opus ~ identity, values, principles, and vision Marshall's purpose-driven approach in starting Meraki Investments How Private Equity misses the opportunity to unlock purpose after the acquisition Impact of connecting culture, purpose and employees to create business success Masters in Small Business M&A (sign up for podcast drops here) is produced by the team at Axial (www.axial.com). Axial makes it easy for small business owners to confidentially discover, research and connect with top-ranked M&A advisors and professional capital partners. In every episode, we explore the dynamic world of small business M&A, interviewing a mix of proven and emerging owners, operators, acquirers, and M&A advisors whose strategies and methods are being put to the test. If you’d like to go deeper, head to Axial.com, where we make available the Axial member directories, downloadable tools for dealmakers, the Axial quarterly lower middle market investment banking league-table rankings, the SMB M&A pipeline report, and other useful information. If you’re a business owner, professional acquirer, or M&A advisor, you can start using Axial for free at Axial.com.   Resources: Marshall Lockton LinkedIn (marshall@knightagency.com) Knight Agency Website Peter Lehrman LinkedIn Axial Website

Today’s guest is Rafael "Rafa" Quinn, co-founder and President of Alternative Holdings, a diversified holding company with subsidiaries in food services, retail, industrial sales, and business process outsourcing.  Rafa’s origin story has already been covered in other podcasts, so we instead begin in 2011 with his first deal, an industrial sales distribution company in Panama. Rafa shares how that first deal helped shape his long-term philosophy on evaluating companies, including the two recent water business acquisitions. We then proceed to cover topics such as the horizontal Holdco model, advantages of vertical integration, and playing to your strengths as an investor. We close out the conversation with Rafa emphasizing how his strong partnership with his business partner has been critical in both overcoming obstacles and sustaining his ongoing passion and dedication to a career as an investor.   Discussion points: Rafael’s first deal and establishing HQ in Panama  Adapting to market changes in energy sources Inventory consignment vs distribution model Horizontal holding companies vs. vertical integration Warren Buffett’s approach to post-acquisition incentive alignment  The practical application of zero-cost budgeting Adding value without being needed in the day-to-day Rafael’s philosophy on long-term growth strategies and investment  Intangible qualities of good business brokers Benefits of finding the right business partner Masters in Small Business M&A (Subscribe to Masters in Small Business M&A)  is produced by the team at Axial (www.axial.com). Axial makes it easy for small business owners to confidentially discover, research and connect with top-ranked M&A advisors and professional capital partners. In every episode, we explore the dynamic world of small business M&A, interviewing a mix of proven and emerging owners, operators, acquirers, and M&A advisors whose strategies and methods are being put to the test. If you’d like to go deeper, head to Axial.com, where we make available the Axial member directories, downloadable tools for dealmakers, the Axial quarterly lower middle market investment banking league-table rankings, the SMB M&A pipeline report, and other useful information. If you’re a business owner, professional acquirer, or M&A advisor, you can start using Axial for free at Axial.com. Subscribe to Masters in Small Business M&A Resources: Rafael Quinn LinkedIn Peter Lehrman LinkedIn Axial Website 

Today’s guest is Matt Plooster, founder and CEO of Bridgepoint, a boutique investment bank based in Omaha, Nebraska. We start the conversation with a background on private credit and its origins. From there we proceed to cover its growth, its arrival in the lower middle market, and how business owners can think about its features, risks, utility and applicability. We close out the conversation by getting into specific lower middle market transactions where private credit has been central to the outcome.  Discussion points:  The rise of private credit in the private market  How non-bank financing has evolved post-2008 crisis  Mezzanine vs. unitranche debt  Comparing private credit to traditional bank lending  Non-control transaction success with private capital  Case study demonstrating the effectiveness of buyout transactions  Long-term engagement benefits  The appeal of fewer covenants and no personal guarantees  Crucial role of pre-market quality of earnings  Private credit's future potential for market inefficiencies  Masters in Small Business M&A is produced by the team at Axial (www.axial.com). Axial makes it easy for small business owners to confidentially discover, research, and connect with top-ranked M&A advisors and capital partners. Masters in Small Business M&A explores the vast world of small business acquisitions, interviewing a mix of proven and emerging owners, operators, acquirers, and M&A advisors whose strategies and methods are being put to the test.  If you enjoy the podcast, we’d love a review on Apple or Spotify. If you’d like to go deeper, head to Axial.com, where there are dozens of recorded Axial member roundtables, downloadable tools for dealmakers, quarterly lower middle market investment banking league-table rankings, and other useful information. If you’re a business owner, professional acquirer, or M&A advisor, you can start using Axial for free at Axial.com.  Click the link below to join the podcast newsletter list. We’ll notify you when a new episode is published. And if you have an interesting guest in mind, feel free to drop us a line.   Subscribe to Masters in Small Business M&A  Resources:  Matt Plooster LinkedIn  Bridgepoint Investment Banking  Peter Lehrman LinkedIn  Axial Website  

In this episode, we interview Bob Falahee, the recently exited founder of SunPro Motorized Awnings & Screens.   Bob’s entrepreneurial origin story starts in Michigan, where he was a sales leader for a semi-truck trailer manufacturer. Bob and his family left behind the cold winters of Michigan for Florida, where he founded SunPro with $36,000 in seed capital. He went on to expand SunPro from a local retractable awning business to a wholesale manufacturing leader in the category.  The conversation reviews SunPro's founding story, its strategic growth and his daughters' pivotal involvement on the finance and retail sides of the business. We also dive into the mind of the founder on the exit process.  When did Bob start thinking about exiting?  What drove his timing and thinking?  How did he start learning about what goes into a successful exit? Bob recounts the impact of cultural fit in selecting an investment banker and walk through how he thought about strategic succession planning and M&A preparation.  Discussion points:  Bob’s first exit from a successful Michigan semi-trailer business  Family relocation to Florida and the search for a small business  Turning a partnership with a local awning business into a new company  Growing the business with dealer-centric service  Streamlining production via software and improved delivery  SunPro's strategic growth and family-driven retail expansion  The importance of five-star reviews for business growth  Preparing for an exit  Cultural and expertise alignment in investment bank selection  The structure of the sale to Hunter Douglas  Post-exit personal transformation and venturing into new businesses  Masters in Small Business M&A is produced by the team at Axial (www.axial.com). Axial makes it easy for small business owners to confidentially discover, research and connect with top-ranked M&A advisors and capital partners. In every episode, we explore the vast world of small business M&A, interviewing a mix of proven and emerging owners, operators, acquirers, and M&A advisors whose strategies and methods are being put to the test.  If you enjoy the podcast, we’d love a review on Apple or Spotify. If you’d like to go deeper, head to Axial.com, where there are dozens of recorded Axial member roundtables, downloadable tools for dealmakers, quarterly lower middle market investment banking league-table rankings, and other useful information. If you’re a business owner, professional acquirer, or M&A advisor, you can start using Axial for free at Axial.com.  Click the link below to join the podcast newsletter list. We’ll notify you when a new episode is published.    Subscribe to Masters in Small Business M&A  Resources:  Bob Falahee LinkedIn  SunPro Manufacturing  Peter Lehrman LinkedIn  Axial Website    

In this episode, Glenn Oken, Managing Director at Mangrove Equity Partners, sits down with host Peter Lehrman to discuss the evolution of Small Business M&A, from the late ‘80s to present day.  The conversation starts with Glenn’s entry into the M&A scene, and the challenges and opportunities of closing transactions before the internet. Glenn shares his insights on the major changes in deal sourcing methods over his career, valuation drift, and the growth of sell-side M&A advisory in the lower middle market. The conversation wraps up with a deep dive into the operating partner model, how early Mangrove was in institutionalizing this model, and how significantly it has influenced the firm’s culture and way of partnering with business owners.  Additional Discussion Points: The birth of Florida Capital Partners Closing deals in the 90s Evolution of private equity investing The impact of internal operating partners The power of add-on acquisitions Integration strategies and dual branding Leveraging reputation in competitive transactions Sourcing strategies Complexities and opportunities in deals Advice for young professionals exploring private equity This podcast is produced by the team at Axial (www.axial.com). Axial makes it easy for small business owners to confidentially research and connect with top-ranked M&A advisors and capital partners via a trusted online platform.  In every episode, we seek to explore the vast world of small business M&A, interviewing a mix of proven and emerging owners, operators, investors, and M&A advisors whose strategies and methods are being put to the test. If you enjoy the podcast, give us a review on Apple or Spotify. If you’d like to go deeper, head to Axial.com, where there are dozens of recorded Axial member roundtables, downloadable tools for dealmakers, quarterly lower middle market investment banking league-table rankings, and other useful information. If you’re a business owner, professional acquirer, or M&A advisor, you can start using Axial for free at Axial.com. Resources: Glenn Oken LinkedIn Peter Lehrman LinkedIn Axial X Axial Website 

Today’s guest is Clint Fiore, a small business operator turned M&A broker and the President of Bison Business, a Texas-based business brokerage transacting in both Main Street deals and the lower middle market.  Clint lays out his four different archetypes of business brokers, what makes them tick, and how private equity investors and SMB acquirers can best modify their approaches to successfully close deals with any of them. Discussion points: Why Clint decided to starting his own business brokerage The 80/20 rule of brokers LOI language tweaks that will resonate with owners and business brokers Building relationships to get an angle on a broker’s deals How to handle real estate brokers moonlighting as M&A brokers The future of M&A brokerage Ensuring trust, reliability, and cost-effectiveness in deals This podcast is produced by the team at Axial (www.axial.com). Axial makes it easy for small business owners to confidentially research and connect with top-ranked M&A advisors and capital partners via a trusted online platform. I am your host, Peter Lehrman, founder and CEO of Axial. In every episode, we explore the vast world of small business M&A, interviewing a mix of proven and emerging owners, operators, investors, and M&A advisors whose strategies and methods are being put to the test. If you enjoy the podcast, give us a review on Apple or Spotify. If you’d like to go deeper, head to Axial.com, where there are dozens of recorded Axial member roundtables, downloadable tools for dealmakers, quarterly lower middle market investment banking league-table rankings, and other useful information. If you’re a business owner, professional acquirer, or M&A advisor, you can start using Axial for free at Axial.com. Resources:  Clint Fiore LinkedIn Clint Fiore X Peter Lehrman LinkedIn Peter Lehrman X Axial Website