Sounds of SAND

Matthew Remski, journalist who studies spiritual abuse; Tara Brach, psychologist and meditation teacher; Pat McCabe, Indigenous ceremonial leader; Bayo Akomolafe, philosopher and mytho-poetic teacher. They probe the cultural forces that enable silence around harm. Short reflections, fierce questions, and calls for collective accountability unfold in a live, heart-centered conversation.

Casey Camp-Horinek, Ponca elder and Hereditary Drumkeeper who centers Indigenous sovereignty. Osprey Orielle Lake, climate justice leader and WECAN founder who lifts up women's and Indigenous leadership. Abby Reyes, author and resilience director who links personal loss to extractive harms. They tackle colonization, extractivism, legal victories for Indigenous rights, community-rooted action, and paths toward collective healing.

Patty Krawec is Ojibwe Anishinaabe, a retired social worker, and author of Becoming Kin and her new book Bad Indians Book Club. In this conversation she explores kinship beyond blood, land as ancestor, and why reading together — slowly, in community — might be one of the most quietly radical things we can do right now. Topics 00:00 Introduction 00:56 Meeting Patty Krawec 02:00 Land Lineage Roots 04:17 Becoming Kin Origins 06:43 Bad Indians Book Club 10:12 Reindigenizing The Future 14:55 Reclaiming The Word 20:28 Reading Together Power 25:06 Attention In The Feed 25:27 Relearning Deep Reading 26:10 Notebook Trick for Focus 26:54 Building a Genre Mosaic 29:00 Indigenous Horror and Futures 31:53 Read Widely Use Libraries 32:18 Curated Lists and Book Browsing 34:26 Bookstore Serendipity 36:30 AI Pushes Us Offline 38:18 Books as Time Alchemy 41:58 Ghost the System Together 44:10 Deep Time Reading Lineage 47:14 New Projects and Ojibwe Stories 49:59 Thanks and Farewell Resources a thousand worlds Medicine for the Resistance  Why We Are Both Oppressed and Oppressor: Patty Krawec   Becoming Kin Bad Indians Book Club       The Eternal Song   Support the mission of SAND and the production of this podcast by becoming a SAND Member

Rabbi Jessica Rosenberg, a Minneapolis ritualist working on trauma-informed community care; Kaira Jewel Lingo, a Plum Village Dharma teacher blending engaged Buddhism and social justice; Dr. Lyla June, Indigenous musician and organizer focused on regenerative food and cultural resilience. They explore neighborhood-based mutual care, weaving spiritual practice with steady organizing. Short, place-based acts of care and interdependence are highlighted as roots of lasting courage.

Liza J. Rankow, interfaith minister and author of Soul Medicine for a Fractured World, blends spiritual practice with healing justice. She explores wounds as teachers, grief as collective wisdom, the shift from self-care to soul care, mystic activism rooted in oneness, and nature as primary practice. The conversation closes with a simple breath practice to nourish self, community, and the world.

Samah Jabr, Palestinian psychiatrist and author focused on mental health under occupation. She explores how political violence shapes symptoms and memory. Short talks cover colonial language, community-led healing in Gaza, the concept of iptila as agency in tribulation, reframing sumud as gritty relational practice, and practical ways to sustain care and testimony.

Tiokasin Ghosthorse, Cheyenne River Lakota elder, radio host and musician, shares relational ways of knowing. He talks about language as a vibration of relationship. He explores land as kin, living with Earth instead of objectifying it. He contrasts relational intelligence with Western models and reflects on ceremony, presence, and technology’s extractive mindset.

Ellen Emmet, psychotherapist and facilitator rooted in Jungian depth work and Authentic Movement, reflects on the intersection of depth psychology and nondual inquiry. She discusses decolonizing therapy, the risks of spiritual bypass, listening with reverence, the body as threshold, and the importance of collective grief and embodied remembrance.

Francis Weller, psychotherapist and grief ritual facilitator known for integrating psychology, ritual, and indigenous wisdom. He contrasts the soul’s slow rhythm with modern frenzy. He reframes wounds as material for initiation. He describes ritual, containment, and communal practices for grief. He speaks about descent, elders, and reclaiming belonging through sacred everyday acts.

Dr. Leroy Little Bear, a Blackfoot legal scholar and Indigenous rights advocate, shares profound insights into Blackfoot worldview. He contrasts Indigenous perspectives on reality, emphasizing relationships and energy over Western singularity. Little Bear discusses the impact of colonization on health and identity, advocating for a broader understanding of well-being. He introduces 'interpretive templates' that shape cultural perceptions and highlights the parallels between Indigenous philosophy and quantum physics. This enlightening conversation redefines how we perceive reality.