Marvin von Hagen
CEO of the Interaction Company of California and founder of Poke, an AI assistant that lives in messaging apps and connects to users' email, calendar, and services; discusses product strategy, security, litigation, and pricing in the episode.
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Apr 9, 2026 • 1h 9min
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Marvin von Hagen, CEO of the Interaction Company and founder of Poke, an AI texting assistant that links to email, calendars, and services. He explains why texting is the ideal AI interface. They dig into Poke’s security and automation designs. He also recounts suing Meta over API pricing and an extreme personalized-pricing story involving a $136,000 monthly payment.
