#1233 Steven Hollon: A Clinical and Evolutionary Approach to Depression

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Mar 27, 2026

Steven Hollon, a Vanderbilt psychology professor who studies the causes and treatment of adult depression. He discusses what depression is, diagnostic patterns, and why rates spike in adolescence. He explores an evolutionary view of sadness, hard-to-treat chronic depression, and compares psychotherapy versus medication. He ends by outlining when different treatments are appropriate.

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ADVICE

Use Prospective Tracking To Estimate Recurrence

Track depressive course prospectively rather than rely on retrospective recall because people forget past episodes and undercount recurrence.
Longitudinal cohorts like Dunedin reveal much higher lifetime rates and recurrence than retrospective surveys.

INSIGHT

Reframe Treatment Resistance And Note Ketamine's Role

'Treatment resistant' is misleading; better phrasing is that existing treatments sometimes fail because we lack tools, and newer rapid-acting agents like ketamine show promise but have limits.
Ketamine acts on glutamatergic NMDA systems and can relieve chronic depression fast but effects are transient and risk psychosis if overused.

ADVICE

Prefer Evidence Based Psychotherapy For Lasting Benefit

Try empirically supported psychotherapies first for nonpsychotic unipolar depression because they work as well as medications and offer enduring protection against relapse.
Cognitive therapy halves relapse risk; behavioral activation and interpersonal psychotherapy also show comparable acute effectiveness.

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Dr. Steven Hollon is the Gertrude Conaway Vanderbilt Professor of Psychology at Vanderbilt University. His primary interest lies in the etiology and treatment of depression in adults. His work extends from basic psychopathology to prevention and treatment. He is particularly interested in the relative contribution of cognitive and biological processes to depression, and how the relative efficacies of psychosocial versus pharmacological interventions compare.

In this episode, we talk about depression from a clinical and evolutionary perspective. We start by discussing what depression is, and how it is diagnosed. We then get into an evolutionary perspective on depression. We talk about difficult-to-treat depression. We discuss the treatments that are available for depression, including psychotherapy and medication. We discuss whether depression has been overdiagnosed, or whether antidepressants have been overprescribed. Finally, we talk about when and how depression ends.

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