
The Raelan Agle Podcast 159: Dr. Cathleen King: Brain Retraining Is NOT Step One - Start Here First #mecfs #longcovid
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Aug 23, 2025 Dr. Cathleen King, DPT and founder of Primal Trust who recovered from ME/CFS, chronic Lyme, and mold illness, explains why nervous-system safety comes before brain retraining. She covers nervous-system science, pattern interrupts, sequencing recovery steps, playful presence as a turning point, and practical tools like eye-gaze exercises to build momentum without adding more protocols.
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Surrender Led To A Breakthrough
- Cathleen King describes surrendering after ten years of treatments and laying in the grass with her kids looking for four-leaf clovers.
- That simple present-moment play sparked energy return and a shift toward nervous-system–focused healing.
Power Of Pattern Interrupts
- Pattern interrupts break the habitual fight/flight and obsessive thinking that keep the nervous system stuck.
- Being present opens space for the right, often simple, next step to appear for each person.
Origin Of Primal Trust
- Cathleen King developed Primal Trust from her clinical training and testing algorithms on thousands of people.
- She named it after a sound-bowl experience that evoked safety, belonging, and bodily trust.





