We’re taking a little holiday break this week so we’re sharing this wonderful, heartfelt, slightly chaotic conversation we had with our friends over on We Can Do Hard Things.
We talk about how to make a marriage last without losing your mind, the holy importance of quiet, and how we can hold tight to our humanity while insisting on a more humane world.
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