
Secular Buddhism 220 - This Messy Gorgeous Love
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Apr 29, 2026 Nico Hase, meditation teacher and relationship coach, brings practical exercises and deep listening frameworks. Devin Hase, longtime contemplative practitioner across Zen, Insight, and Tibetan traditions, offers retreat-tested practices for partnerships. They explore dukkha in relationships, deep listening to self/partner/the space between, courageous "patience with teeth," conflict styles (volcano, diplomat, dodger), and structured check-ins to foster real connection.
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Photo Shoot Fight Turned Teach-In
- Devin and Nico had a blowout fight 30 minutes before a photo shoot while living in an 80-square-foot RV and exhausted from travel.
- They paused, put hands on their hearts, breathed, and then acknowledged tiredness which de‑escalated the conflict enough to take the photos later.
Relationships Are Inherently Dukkha
- Relationships are dukkha: inherently unsatisfactory and unpredictable, not a failure when they feel difficult.
- Framing partnership with the first noble truth reduces perfectionism and returns agency to skillful response rather than blame.
Mindfulness As Three Part Deep Listening
- Nico reframes mindfulness as three-part deep listening: to yourself, to your partner, and to the space between you.
- The in-between captures context (kids, work, exhaustion) that often explains sudden strong reactions.




