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Ep.135: Anne Caspari, how can we handle complexity in transformations?

Jan 30, 2026
Anne Caspari, coach and complexity specialist with a background in environmental planning, explains Cynefin-informed sensemaking and narrative tools. She explores ordered vs complex contexts, emergence and weak signals. Stories and SenseMaker replace linear surveys. Practical approaches include mapping, safe-to-fail experiments, and collective sensemaking to navigate uncertainty.
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INSIGHT

Match Decision Approach To Context

  • The Cynefin framework distinguishes ordered, complex, and chaotic contexts and prescribes different approaches for each.
  • Treating human and cultural issues as predictable systems breaks interventions in complex domains.
INSIGHT

Probe, Sense, Respond Not Plan

  • In complex domains cause-and-effect are unknown so leaders must probe, sense, respond rather than plan from hindsight.
  • Emergence means foresight can't be reliably derived from past data.
ADVICE

Act On Weak Signals Early

  • Pay attention to weak signals like repeated micro-complaints and anomalies in daily interactions.
  • Investigate recurring small concerns before they aggregate into systemic problems.
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