Chaim Gingold on Building SimCity & Simulation as Discourse

Aug 20, 2025

Chaim Gingold, a brilliant computer scientist and game designer known for co-creating Spore and authoring 'Building SimCity,' dives into the fascinating world of simulations. He discusses how SimCity transcends mere gaming to reshape societal concepts, highlighting the interplay of creativity and play in technological engagement. The conversation touches on the historical evolution from analog to digital, exploring the impact of simulation on political decision-making and the ethical responsibilities of tech companies. Gingold encourages us to reflect on how simulations can empower or mislead.

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INSIGHT

Who Gets To Play Matters

Simulations succeed when they grant permission to play and safe failure.
Economic security and organizational culture determine who can afford to experiment.

INSIGHT

Analogy Trumps Analog/Digital Split

Analog and digital are not a clean break; both coexisted and depended on analogy.
Simulation's power rests on using one system to represent another, not discrete vs continuous.

ADVICE

Use Multiple Representations

Present scientific truths in multiple forms to reach diverse minds.
Use graphics and manipulable models alongside symbolic math to teach effectively.

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We live in simulated worlds of our own making, detecting patterns in the chaos and complexity of raw experience and boiling them down into operable categories and generalizations. Sometimes we do this well, and sometimes…

This week’s guest, computer scientist and game designer Chaim Gingold, wrote what I consider the best book available on the history and sociality of simulations: Building SimCity: How to Put the World in a Machine (MIT Press) takes readers from the prehistory of modern computing through the post-war development of cybernetics and systems thinking and into the entangled relationship of video games, military info-tech, civil engineering, software-based education, and complexity science that forms today’s “invisible environment.”

Sim City is more than a legendary video game. It is case study in how the digital revolution reshaped the ways we think, teach, design, and govern…and how what simulation as a mode of discourse can hide and reveal, oppress and empower us. In this dialogue we explore the the tensions between games and play, the analog and digital, abstraction and tactility, and mysticism and colonialism in simulation-induced experiences. We investigate the rise and fall of Sim City game developer MAXIS, weave threads through the history of computing and software development, systems science, and the philosophy of technology, and ask:

What makes some abstractions better than others?

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