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1KHO 736: Surprise Stretches Time | Dan Heath, The Power of Moments

Mar 12, 2026

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Dan Heath

Dan Heath, bestselling author and speaker on change and memorable moments, joins to explore how to make family life and schooling more vivid. He discusses crafting deliberate surprises, designing peak experiences, hands-on projects that stick, and rethinking transitions and praise. Short, surprising rituals can stretch time and create memories kids never forget.

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Make School Feel Like A Game

School runs like nonstop practice and lacks the high-stakes, on-stage moments that make sports memorable.
Jeff Gilbert's trial-of-human-nature project turned classroom work into a rented courtroom performance with parents and real juries watching.

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ADVICE

Design One Peak Moment Each Week

Intentionally create occasional peak moments rather than trying to make every moment special.
Treat weeks like Disney days: design one standout event that overshadows routine annoyances and becomes the lasting memory.

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ANECDOTE

Kids' Perfect Day Agendas Reveal True Peaks

A father asked his 5- and 8-year-olds to design their perfect day and followed the simple agendas they drew.
The kids picked cheap, specific pleasures like Krispy Kreme, Chipotle, board games, and “no showers” as highlights.

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Dan Heath's background and first book

00:33 • 1min

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What inspired the podcast 'What It's Like to Be'

02:00 • 43sec

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How the podcast helps families explore vocation

02:42 • 2min

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Finding guests and surprising passions

04:21 • 7min

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Aerospace engineer and the 'seven minutes of terror'

11:19 • 2min

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The Power of Moments overview

13:35 • 2min

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Make school more like sports

15:28 • 8min

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Creating peak moments for families

23:05 • 3min

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Kids design their perfect day

26:30 • 3min

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Strategic surprises and 'Joshy' story

29:24 • 4min

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Surprise stretches time and novelty's limits

33:17 • 26sec

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Focus on elevating positives, not just fixing negatives

33:43 • 3min

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Pinewood Derby memory and hands-on learning

36:20 • 4min

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Magic Castle Hotel and designing memorable service

40:23 • 4min

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Crafting transitions: improving first-day experiences

44:37 • 4min

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Why ages 15–30 dominate our memories

48:53 • 2min

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Recognition gap and the power of praise

51:15 • 3min

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How Dan and Chip choose book topics

54:43 • 3min

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Dan's early career and ThinkWell

57:46 • 2min

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Working

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In 'Working,' Studs Terkel conducts in-depth interviews with people from diverse occupations, ranging from gravediggers to studio heads. The book provides a snapshot of American working life in the early 1970s, highlighting the emotional and physical aspects of work. It explores themes of job satisfaction, the search for meaning, and the impact of work on individuals' lives. The interviews are edited to preserve the voices and stories of the subjects, offering a powerful and original perspective on work and its significance in human experience.

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Upstream

The Quest to Solve Problems Before They Happen

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Upstream explores the psychological forces that push us into a cycle of response rather than prevention. Dan Heath introduces the concept of 'problem blindness' and highlights successes of thinkers who have overcome these obstacles by switching to an upstream mindset. Examples include an online travel website reducing customer service calls, a school district cutting dropout rates, a European nation reducing teenage substance abuse, and an EMS system improving response times. The book delivers practical solutions for preventing problems rather than reacting to them.

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The Power of Moments

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In this book, Chip and Dan Heath explore why certain brief experiences can have a profound impact on our lives. They argue that our most memorable positive moments are dominated by four elements: elevation, insight, pride, and connection. The authors provide practical advice and numerous examples on how to engineer these moments, whether in professional settings, educational environments, or personal life. The book delves into the psychology behind why we remember certain experiences and how we can intentionally create more meaningful moments rather than leaving them to chance.

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Made to Stick

Why Some Ideas Survive and Others Die

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In this book, Chip and Dan Heath explore the anatomy of ideas that stick and provide methods to make ideas more memorable. They introduce the SUCCESs formula, which stands for Simple, Unexpected, Concrete, Credible, Emotional, and Stories. The book is filled with examples from urban legends, business stories, and personal anecdotes, demonstrating how these traits can be applied to make any idea stickier. It is particularly useful for anyone interested in influencing others, whether in business, education, or other fields.

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Lord of the Flies

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In 'Lord of the Flies', William Golding tells the story of a group of British schoolboys who are stranded on a deserted island after their plane crashes. The novel follows their attempts to govern themselves and the gradual descent into chaos and savagery. The story is an allegory that explores themes of human nature, morality, leadership, and the fragility of civilization. Key characters include Ralph, who represents order and democracy; Jack, who symbolizes power and violence; and Piggy, the voice of reason. The novel highlights the tension between the desire for civilization and the primal savagery that lies beneath the surface of human society.

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How to Make Better Choices in Life and Work

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In 'Decisive', Chip and Dan Heath address the critical topic of decision-making, highlighting the biases and irrationalities that disrupt our choices. The book introduces a four-step process—WRAP (Widen your options, Reality-test your assumptions, Attain distance before deciding, Prepare to be wrong)—designed to counteract these biases. Through engaging stories and practical tools, the Heaths provide strategies to stop agonizing over decisions, make group decisions without destructive politics, and ensure that valuable opportunities are not overlooked.

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Switch

How to Change Things When Change Is Hard

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In 'Switch', Chip and Dan Heath explore why making lasting changes is difficult due to the conflict between the rational mind and the emotional mind. They present a framework for successful change by uniting these two minds, drawing on decades of research in psychology, sociology, and other fields. The book provides compelling examples of how everyday people have achieved dramatic results by following this pattern, whether in personal, organizational, or societal contexts.

Dan Heath has spent his career helping people think more clearly about change, decisions, and what makes life memorable, and in this conversation with Ginny Yurich, he brings that wisdom straight into family life. Drawing from The Power of Moments and his podcast What It’s Like to Be…, Dan makes a compelling case that childhood, work, school, and family rhythms don’t have to blur together into flatness—we can intentionally create moments that lift, surprise, connect, and last. This episode is full of fresh insight for parents raising kids toward meaningful work and meaningful lives, and it will leave you thinking differently about everything from school and vocation to praise, transitions, and the small kinds of magic children never forget. Learn more about Dan Heath here .

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