The Alisa Childers Podcast #363 It’s Time to End Same-Sex Marriage— A Child-Centered Case | Katy Faust
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Mar 19, 2026 
Katy Faust, founder of Them Before Us and child-rights advocate, fights for children harmed by modern family law. She discusses why centering adult desires has reshaped parenthood, how Obergefell affected IVF and surrogacy, and the Greater Than campaign to restore mother-father recognition. She also outlines legal and storytelling strategies to recenter children and mobilize churches for their protection.
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Personal Story That Sparked Child Advocacy
- Katy Faust grew up with a divorced father and a mother in a long-term same-sex partnership and loved both parents while still feeling a deep loss for the absent parent.
- She became an advocate after youth ministry and adoption work convinced her mothers-and-fathers matter insight was common among children she served.
Who You Call The Victim Shapes Policy
- Victim identification drives policy: whoever is framed as the victim becomes the center of legal change, and conservatives misidentified adults as primary victims of gay marriage.
- Katy reframes children as the primary victims to change the policy conversation and outcomes.
How Obergefell Rewrote Parenthood Law
- Obergefell reshaped parenthood law by forcing legal parity so parentage and reproductive policy had to accommodate same-sex adults, erasing mother/father language.
- Katy argues marriage law is the sun of a legal solar system, so changing marriage definition compelled changes in birth certificates, IVF access, and parent assignments.
