
21 Hats Podcast Those Who Can, Do. Those Who Can’t, Uh, Coach?
Jul 29, 2025
David C. Barnett, a business acquisition expert, joins Jay Goltz, a Chicago-based CEO, and Lena McGuire, a remodeling innovator, to discuss the tricky world of hiring coaches. They debate the importance of coaches having industry-specific knowledge and personal success. Jay hilariously critiques unqualified coaches in his industry while Lena shares how transformative good coaching can be. The trio also laughs about Jay's whimsical idea of opening a pizza shop, blending personal anecdotes with key insights on business growth and support networks.
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Distinguish Coaching from Consulting
- Coaching develops skills and mindset; consulting solves specific problems or projects.
- Confusing the two leads to misunderstanding coaching’s role.
Use Advisors, Consultants, and Coaches Appropriately
- Use advisors for tailored advice, consultants for tasks, and coaches to develop your capability.
- All have roles; use what fits your current need.
Professionals Often Give Cautious Advice
- Entrepreneurs often receive risk-averse advice from professionals who fear losing them as clients.
- Peer groups and mastermind forums offer blunt, realistic feedback entrepreneurs need.

