The Macro Dirt Podcast

OG Credit Trader Larry McDonald

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Mar 4, 2026
Larry McDonald, credit strategist, author of How to Listen When Markets Speak and founder of The Bear Traps Report. Conversation covers stress in private credit and insurers’ hidden exposure. They discuss AI-driven CapEx and potential credit contagion. Debate a macro rotation from Big Tech into energy and natural resources. Talks include emerging-market volatility, oil amid geopolitics, data-center energy demand, and Bitcoin versus gold.
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INSIGHT

Credit Leads Equities As Early Warning

  • Credit often leads equities and can signal contagion early, especially via bank loans and CCCs.
  • Larry points to BKLN weakness and the CCC index as early warning grounds during rising defaults tied to private credit risks.
ADVICE

Watch Insurers For Private Credit Risk

  • Monitor insurers and insurance ETFs because life insurers are major allocators to private credit and could become bag holders.
  • Jared bought puts on an insurance ETF (KIE) under the thesis insurers are overloaded with illiquid private credit.
INSIGHT

AI CapEx Is Speeding Credit Stress

  • Rapid AI-driven CapEx is accelerating credit stress by shortening product cycles and increasing disruption in software borrowers.
  • Larry compares the CapEx race to an arms race that speeds obsolescence and strains leveraged loans exposure.
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