
The Crossway Podcast Are We Scrolling Ourselves to Death? (Brett McCracken and Ivan Mesa)
Apr 21, 2025
Brett McCracken, a senior editor at the Gospel Coalition and author of 'The Wisdom Pyramid', joins Ivan Mesa, the editorial director, to discuss our digital obsessions. They explore how smartphone addiction parallels drug dependency and its impact on spiritual lives. They emphasize the need for intentional attention management to foster relationships. The conversation also touches on AI's ethical dilemmas and technology's role within Christian ministry, advocating for more engagement with literature and nature to reclaim our faith amidst digital distractions.
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Digital Tech Designed for Addiction
- Digital technologies are uniquely addictive due to intentional design.
- Behavioral psychologists help create apps that maximize user engagement for profit.
Phone Detox and Sabbath Practice
- Ivan Mesa shares his personal phone detox, turning off notifications and taking social media breaks.
- He also practices phone-free Sundays to reset weekly and focus on life priorities.
Attention as Spiritual Currency
- Attention is a spiritual resource shaping our formation and relationship with God.
- Scattered attention reduces time for prayer, scripture, and spiritual growth.











