Celebrating Jewish Empowerment and Teaching the Masses with Milli Not So Vanilli

For this interview, we are excited to talk with Millie, more well known as Milli Not So Vanilli on social media. She is a 34-year-old Jewish mother and “accidental” TikTok creator. We learn how her grandmother has inspired her to speak out and how she is her greatest source of inspiration; her grandmother had been a Holocaust survivor and her grandfather was a victim of McCarthyism. We discuss how important it is for Christians to learn about their own history, to learn about Jewish history, and why this will help end prevalent misconceptions about Judaism and Jews. She also explains how anti-Semitism is accepted and widespread throughout Christian belief teachings and what Christians can do to unlearn and reframe these damaging beliefs in order to be a good ally for Jews. Millie reminds us how important and relevant this work is today and what you can do now to be a Christian without spreading anti-Semitic rhetoric.

Millie celebrates Jewish diversity and advocates for a more inclusive and accepting Jewish community. She believes in Jewish empowerment through knowledge and awareness of Jewish history and believes a better understanding of Jewish history and who Jews are as a people is the best way to fight antisemitism.

Learn more about Millie at:

IG: https://www.instagram.com/milli_not_so_vanilli/

TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@milli_not_so_vanilli

https://linktr.ee/milli_not_so_vanilli

Links from the episode:

https://www.myjewishlearning.com/

https://www.rabbisandralawson.com/

 

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1 (57s):
I am so excited about our guest today, Millie, who on TikTok is Millie? Not so. Vanilli is, I think the TikTok who trained the TikTok algorithm into sending me in deep, deep, deep into the world of Jewish TikTok. And I am so thankful for her. I have learned so much from her. Many, many videos about Judaism and antisemitism on her TikTok and on her Instagram, and we had a really beautiful conversation with her. Millie is a 34-year-old Jewish mother and accidental TikTok creator. Her grandparents are her greatest source of inspiration. Her grandmother, having been a Holocaust survivor and her grandfather, a victim of McCarthyism.

1 (1m 41s):
Millie, celebrates Jewish diversity and advocates for a more inclusive and accepting Jewish community. She believes in Jewish empowerment through knowledge and awareness of Jewish history and believes a better understanding of Jewish history and who Jews are as a people is the best way to fight antisemitism. Pako up. You are in for a real Treats today. Hello, Millie, and thank you so much for joining us on the podcast today. I’m really excited to dive into your backgrounds and your experiences as a creator on TikTok.

3 (2m 14s):
Yeah, thank you for having me.

1 (2m 16s):
You’re welcome. So just to get started, for obviously the folks at home who don’t maybe know much about you, can you share just a little bit about your sort of faith and cultural experiences sort of growing up and how that is or is not, or shaped sort of your life and who you are today?

3 (2m 41s):
Well, growing up I attended, you know, secular schools always. And so there was always just a handful of Jews in the schools that I went to. And it definitely experiencing, I think a lot of Jews who grow up gonna Hebrew school, they have such a different experience because the going to school with Christian kids and kids that aren’t Jewish, you immediately start experiencing anti-Semitism and you immediately start hearing anti-Semitic rhetoric.

3 (3m 34s):
So I think I grew up very aware that I was different and I always felt different when, you know, we did go to Hebrew school, which was just on the weekend, and you know, we did go to our, our temple, our reform temple, and we did go to Jewish summer camp. Me and my sister, and I definitely was very aware of how, how different I felt in different spaces as a Jew. And I was always aware of my family history and the, you know, my grandmother, my Oma being a Holocaust survivor.

3 (4m 25s):
I don’t remember the first time I start started hearing about this. I don’t remember the first time I started hearing about what my grandfather, my OPA went through being discriminated against, you know, for being Jewish. It just was always something that was in my awareness and these things definitely shaped who I am today. And growing up, growing up, growing up, being aware that everyone hates you or in the very least doesn’t understand you, I think is really, it’s, it’s a unique experience and it gives you a different sense of, of pride in who you are and where you come from.

1 (5m 17s):
You know, it’s, it’s funny you talk about just like growing up, going to secular school and it’s, I’m just like struck at how like people who create online, like we only see or we only reveal like parts of ourselves, right? And so like as a sort of a Jewish creator on TikTok, all, most all a lot of your content is about sort of Judaism and your experiences of, of your faith and your culture and of course antisemitism and discrimination, but I would’ve, you know, never known that you grew up going to a secular school. And so how did you come into being a, I don’t know, TikTok making content on, on, on TikTok

3 (6m 3s):
Completely by accident? I had no idea what TikTok even was. When I got on TikTok, I had seen other people posting their TikTok videos onto Instagram, which I was super late to Instagram. Like I’m not a technology person. I was, I was late to Facebook. So the fact that I got on TikTok when it was even, I mean, I, I saw someone posting like transformation videos and so I thought it was an app where you could make cool little videos and like edit them.

3 (6m 46s):
And I was like, I wanna try that. And I got on TikTok and you know, at first all I was seeing was your typical teenager and a lot of mom content, which I actually can’t stand. And I just was messing around and I had seen that there, I had seen that there were people who made posts just talking and I was like, I love to talk, I can do this, I can talk. I had just gotten, yeah, so I had just gotten onto TikTok shortly before my Oma was kind of on her way out of this world and nobody was following me.

3 (7m 38s):
Like nobody, it was like a few random people seeing my stuff and I was just talking about random stuff. I was like making random posts. I was like, I, I like Poshmark better, I have more followers there. And then my Oma passed away and I was so moved by some of the things that she was saying in her last days of life and knowing what she had gone through, the fact that she was talking about her life only in good terms, only how, how beautiful it was.

3 (8m 23s):
And I just wanted to make a post and I was, whoever’s gonna see this is gonna see this and if it helps anybody know that no matter what they’re going through, they can come out the other side and have a great life then that, I’m just gonna say this. And so I, I got, I don’t know what I thought, I thought it was like so many people and it was maybe a thousand people saw this post and I decided TikTok was the way, I had always known that some way, somehow when my Oma passed away, I, I just wanted to share her story and that I felt I had this responsibility to share her story and carry on her legacy in the last few years of her life.

3 (9m 13s):
I, you know, she was in her nineties, I became very aware that she was not gonna be around forever and to make sure that her story was still out there, that it was not forgotten it, you know, it just felt like a responsibility because the idea that people are gonna forget was terrifying to me. The idea that these people are not gonna be around forever to share their own stories was terrifying. And so I just started sharing her story and I started getting followers and it was really cathartic and healing and I, I started getting followers and at some point I was like, I have more to say than just talk about my Oma and my own family history.

3 (10m 12s):
I’ve always had a lot to say, you know, before TikTok I was all caps typing on Facebook, yelling at the people I went to high school with about everything under the sun, including antisemitism. So, you know, I I was like, I’m just gonna start saying what I have to say here on TikTok. And I had gained somewhat of a following maybe 20,000 followers at this point, and people started having questions and people started looking at me as a Jewish voice and I just kept talking.

3 (10m 52s):
And it was interesting because initially I really thought I had followers be because of Oma. And the more I continued just speaking my truth and my truth as inspired by Oma who always spoke her truth, I kept getting more followers. And so, you know, at this point I I I’m just, I know what I’m doing, but I’m here and people are listening.

1 (11m 26s):
Yeah. You know, I I think that Shay and I sometimes feel this tension of like telling the stories that like, we wanna tell ’cause are meaningful to us versus like having conversations like with and to other queer people versus like being aware that straight people are listening in and then like, why do we have to like, like doing the work of educating straight people and I’m, you know, I I know that you’re audience, you have like a mixed audience of, of Jewish folks and non-Jewish folks. And so like how, how has it been for you sort of balancing like having conversations you wanna have about things that are important to you versus like educating it’s, you know, antisemitic people or, or, or educating people who want to do better but just like aren’t Jewish, you know?

3 (12m 19s):
Yeah, it’s definitely, it’s definitely a balance because I do have a lot of Jewish followers and I get a lot of feedback from them. Thank you for saying the things that I couldn’t put into words. And I, I feel like part of being empowered as a Jew is knowing Jewish history and there’s a lot of Jews that they don’t know a lot of this stuff that I’m talking about. And I feel it’s important to empower them in, in, in speaking, you know, their own truth as Jews. And I feel like it’s important to empower them with the knowledge of our history as Jews.

3 (13m 6s):
And I feel like if I can say things that they don’t know how to put into words or you know, they don’t feel comfortable saying and they can share my videos or pass them along and that’s helpful to them, that’s great. But I do also have a huge following of people that wanna be better allies and I have a huge following of deconstructing Christians. And so it’s definitely a balance of creating content for myself because I still need to sometimes find enjoyment in this even though it’s, it’s definitely labor, creating content for other Jews and actually educating the people that need to be educated because there’s so many people that I hear from that are like, wow, I never thought as a deconstructing Christian, I never thought about this this way or so many people, I didn’t realize that anti antisemitism was so prevalent.

3 (14m 15s):
And so it’s, it’s finding a balance and it’s also the balance in doing all of those things and self care. But for the most part I just say what I think is important, I just say what I’m thinking about, what’s been weighing heavy on me or what I’ve been feeling excited about and I just go for it and it’s gonna resonate with somebody. But it’s definitely interesting, you know, the feedback that I get from various groups of people and I, you know, my target audience is not just Jews or not just, you know, gu not just non-Jew.

3 (15m 9s):
It’s kind of trying to make it for everybody that either wants to learn or wants to feel validated.

1 (15m 19s):
Yeah, it’s a really beautiful space that you cultivated and like, I mean obviously there’s bullshit in the comments, but also there’s like some really, there’s some really wonderful stuff that goes on in the comments as well.

3 (15m 30s):
Yeah.

1 (15m 31s):
I’m wondering, so you know, our audience is primarily Christian, some folks who are, you know, solidly Christian, some folks are in that, you know, deconstructing Christianity phase of their knees, others who are considering other religions. And I’m wondering, you know, wonder know for folks who are not Jewish who want to like sort of like do a better job of learning about Judaism or sort of ridding their Christianity from antisemitism or just sort of like being better allies. Do you have any sort of advice on, on what folks could do to, for like work in solidarity with, with Jewish folks better?

3 (16m 12s):
I mean the main thing, the main thing is listen, listen to Jews. And I think, so what I’ve really been thinking about, because someone recently asked me, is there a way to be Christian and not be anti-Semitic? And I think there is, but I think it takes a lot of work and it a lot of self-awareness. And I think my intention, you know, I, I talk a lot about the harm Christianity has done to Jews throughout history and it’s never my intention to make people hate Christianity or wanna leave Christianity.

3 (17m 7s):
It’s more useful to have allies within the Christian community than it’s to have allies outside of the Christian community. I don’t want there to be no Christianity. I want Christianity and Christian to do better. And that starts with learning your own history, learning the history of Christianity and how it relates to Judaism and listening to Jews about how we interpret the Torah, what we believe and what what we practice versus what they’ve been told within the church, what they’ve been told by other Christians about Judaism.

3 (17m 57s):
Because that’s the biggest problem is so many Christians have been taught so much about Judaism and it’s wrong, it’s all wrong. And they’ve been, they’ve been not taught about their own history as Christians.

2 (18m 15s):
Yeah, I was, I was really struck by what you said earlier about, you know, both how much you were aware of and entrenched in your own history, but also about how important that is for you to, to have those conversations with folks you who dunno their own history. And I was just really thinking and so struck by how many folks I know don’t know anything about Christian history, the history of how we got certain theologies, right? The, the history of Judaism, like all of that and how detrimental that is to not only our understanding of our own faith, but like of being of the ability to be in solidarity with other people because we don’t even know what our own story has been.

2 (19m 3s):
And so I I find so much resonance in, in what you’ve said there about, about knowing your history and how important that is.

3 (19m 11s):
Well, yeah, and that’s, you know, one of the huge fundamental differences between Judaism and Christianity from early on we start, I mean it’s not, and people don’t understand, like Judaism is, is not just a religion and we’re not just gonna Hebrew school to learn about what we’re supposed to believe in terms of God and all of these things. We’re going to Hebrew school to learn about our culture and a lot of that is our history. And we do learn about antisemitism, we start getting taught about this very young, and the history is such a, a integral part of our education as Jews.

3 (20m 0s):
And that goes hand in hand with the antisemitism that we start to experience very early on as Jews. I started getting told by my Christian peers in maybe second, third grade that I was going to help because I was Jewish. And, and so I started becoming aware of their learn. They’re learning this about, they’re learning this about Jewish Jews and Judaism and I’m learning something totally different. And, and while Jews are getting taught about their history and their culture, Christians are getting taught about a belief system.

3 (20m 47s):
And it’s a belief system that has come from what they believe is Judaism, but the, but the beliefs are so different and so, and they’re not, they’re not taught about their own history where history is such an important part of our Jewish education. History is not a part of the Christian education from my perspective and from what I’ve experienced with Christians, they are taught what’s in their Bible and they are taught what they should believe in in terms of how a higher power and, and apart from that, there’s, there’s, that’s just it.

3 (21m 34s):
And they’re taught that, you know, Jews are, we’ve rejected the Messiah and we’re wrong. And they don’t, they don’t get taught about how Christianity has tried to reconcile those differences. They don’t get taught about the actual physical actions that have taken place because the beliefs are, are different. And, and, and those, you know, differences and in that history, a lot of pain has been caused and trauma and you know, then they wanna come, you know, to us and, and save us.

3 (22m 22s):
And it’s so, and they have no idea and they have no idea why we react, react the way that we do.

1 (22m 31s):
Yeah. Oh man, what I learned from my, like evangelical church growing up about like what Judaism is both like first century Judaism and modern Judaism is just like, I mean, so completely wrong compared to what I, you know, like hearing from my friends who are Jewish directly or in school, like from my professors who are, who are Jewish and it’s just like, oh, they was just like, it’s just like, there’s just like so many inaccuracies. It’s like a whole other just like, I don’t know, like make believe people that then, you know, Christianity uses to just sort of demonize. And so I’m wondering for you, like what are some of the most meaningful parts of your, your Judaism, whether that’s like a part of the, the faith component or the cultural component or how those, you know, are intertwined?

3 (23m 25s):
I mean, for me, what’s always re resonated with me is we place more emphasis on our actions than our beliefs. You know, it’s about doing the mitzvahs and it’s about what we do not versus what what we believe. And so that leaves so much room for us to question and contemplate and be individuals and, and we continue to participate in Judaism because we are Jews.

3 (24m 11s):
Like it’s who we’re, and it’s, and it’s, it’s what, so Rabbi Sandra, who is the rabbi that I stand girl over, what, what she has said repeatedly is that we were a people,

1 (24m 30s):
Oh my god, me too. She left a comment on one of my tiktoks the other day and I died,

3 (24m 34s):
Okay. When Rabbi Sandra and I became mutuals, I was like, this is all the validation I’ve ever needed in my entire life. But what she’s repeatedly said,

1 (24m 46s):
What

3 (24m 46s):
She’s repeatedly said, which it resonates with me so much and it’s just so true, is that we were a people and then Christianity came along and turned us into a religion. And that is so true. And so for me, it’s not like I’m doing this because this is what I believe I’m doing this because this is who I’m as a person and, and it’s, it it nurtures my soul. And, and so it’s like it Judaism reminds me to live in, in the moment because in terms of death, we don’t have the answers. Like Judaism is notoriously vague when it comes to the afterlife.

3 (25m 27s):
And it’s not that we don’t believe in it, but it’s very vague and we are told kind of like, eh, don’t worry about it. And as someone who is constantly in existential crisis mode and has an immense fear of death, It reminds me, Sam, yeah, it reminds me to just be here now to like live in the moment. It’s like, let’s focus on the actions, let’s focus on connecting to my ancestors and let’s focus on what I’m doing right now. Let’s be here now. And I love that about Judaism and then just the, the, so the social justice like aspect where, where literally taught Tik, it’s our job to heal the world.

3 (26m 23s):
And and that’s what, you know, so many people don’t understand. There’s this misconceptions about what the chosen people means. It’s like, no, we’re not chosen to be God’s favorite. We’re not chosen to get into doesn’t. And and I, and I take it very seriously and you know, the laws that were given to us, they’re impossible. They’re impossible for any one person to, to adhere to all of, and that’s not even the point.

3 (27m 4s):
But, you know, I think a lot of Christians look at a lot of this stuff as a burden because they’re seeing it through a Christian lens. But really it’s a gift because again, back to what Rabbi Sandra says, we are a people and, and we are a nation and we needed, you know, to, as a nation of people, we needed to figure out how to do life. And they are guidelines how to do life and how and above anything else to, to live a, a just and meaningful life that is not causing harm to others and not causing harm to the planet.

3 (27m 47s):
And those are things, and of course I, you know, speak from a reform perspective, but I’ve spoken to conservative and orthodox Jews who feel the same way. But yeah, those are the things that to me are the most meaningful about Judaism and resonate with me the most. And when I, you know, and I’m not perfect and I practice my own brand of Judaism, but when I participate in Judaism and Jewish ritual and I’m around other Jews, I literally feel the strength of my ancestors. And I love that.

4 (28m 24s):
That’s beautiful.

1 (28m 26s):
I love that so much. So a few weeks ago, Shane and I were interviewed on this podcast about evangelicalism and the host asked us like, do you think evangelicalism, like is worth saving, can be saved? Like is there any good that could come outta that? And Shea and I were like, no, it’s gotta go. And so, you know, I think, I think that your, I think that your TikTok video about like, is it possible to be Christian and not anti-Semitic? I think it was one of the first ones that I saw about you. And I remember texting Shane being like, oh my God, what if we have to burn it all down? I think we might have, I think we might. So, so the, I mean, it’s very gracious of you to say, no, I don’t think Christianity has to cease existing, but you, like you could, this is a safe space for you to say that.

1 (29m 11s):
And I would, I would take that with conviction, but you know, since you did say, well, yes, but it’s very, very, very difficult to do that. Like what would your advice be to Christians who are like, oh fuck, like my religion, like, has historically and in present day continues to be antisemitic, kind of like just by it existing. And so like what, what if anything can we do to make it not so,

3 (29m 41s):
So much of Christianity that in the way that it’s practiced and preached on, you know, globally and wide scale, ha has to get reframed and reworked it. It can’t be that Jesus came to save everybody and now there’s no longer a need for Judaism. It has to be that the Jewish people have their own, you know, covenant with God and their own agreement. And that is separate from Christianity. There just needs to be separation.

3 (30m 22s):
It has to stop being supersessionism. It has to stop being, this is a continuation. It has to stop being this idea that Jewish people have rejected our Messiah. And, and there has to be a respect of our, our text and how we read them and how, you know, and what we believe. Because as long as Christians believe that Jews are, you know, doomed to the fiery pits of hell, we’re gonna have a problem. And I think that is the biggest thing because people get really hateful about it.

3 (31m 10s):
And when you start trying to have these conversations with Christians, they get very defensive and they really, really cannot let go of the idea that it’s, it’s okay, it’s okay that I don’t believe in Jesus. You don’t have to save me and I’m not going to hell. Like that’s just it. This idea that you have to believe one way or else go to be damned. It’s like, yeah, you know, and I don’t know, I don’t know how, it’s a lot of unlearning and I’ve seen pastor pastors and preachers on TikTok who, who are, who are doing it, who are saying, well, let’s reframe this Bible passage.

3 (32m 5s):
Let’s like reframe this. And, you know, and, and that’s just what needs to happen on a, on a wide scale. It’s, you know, and accepting that if we say that our Torah doesn’t say what you are telling us, it says, then it, then it doesn’t say that like, you know, just calling it out, just calling it out and just listening to Jewish voices and listening and accepting and being open-minded. It’s, and again, learning, learning, learning your own history, learning Jewish history and learning Christian history.

2 (32m 44s):
As someone who’s a huge book nerd, I’m wondering if you have any recommends for someone who wants to understand better how to read the Torah.

3 (32m 56s):
Yeah, listen to rabbis. There are find, you know, Christians will often be like, but it says right here in the Bible. And it’s like, that’s not what it says in the Torah. And they’re convinced it’s the same thing. It’s not the same thing. And get, get Jewish translations and read the Jewish translations. My, my Hebrew learning is a really great website. They have the weekly Torah portions and they have the translations and they have like, like, I don’t know, almost cliff notes explanations and they’re, they’re Jewish explanations and their Jewish cliff notes and their Jewish summaries and it, yeah, listen to rabbis and read Jewish translations and yeah, definitely my Jewish learning do com is really, really great website if anybody wants to get information on what, what Jews believe the says and what, what Jewish interpretations are, I think that’s really helpful.

3 (34m 17s):
I’ve had a lot of people ask questions and I’ve just referred them there and they’ve come back to me and been like, oh my gosh, I really had no idea. I just, you know, the Christian Bible says this and like, yeah, I didn’t even know the Christian Bibles like that.

1 (34m 38s):
Yeah. I would also add, like, go follow you on TikTok at Milli, not so Vanilli. And you know, I think like, and you also, like, you are constantly like stitching to people or dueting the people and you know, I think like listeners can sort of like use you as an entryway into all sort of just like amazing, diverse, you know, Jewish voices. It’s not like, like you were saying, it’s not just one person, but we all have different opinions and different perspective on stuff. And I think like not just being like, oh, well I read one book, I yeah, I talked to one person.

3 (35m 14s):
Well, yeah, that’s the other thing is you have to listen to many Jewish voices because part of our culture and part of our religion is, you know, critic critical thinking and arguing, like literally. And you know, there’s a saying two Jews, three opinions, and that’s for a reason and none of us agree on anything. And so you have to get a, a broad perspective when it comes to the religion, definitely listen to rabbis like above all else, if a rabbi you know is saying something that doesn’t sit right with you, seek out another rabbi, you know, and then get a bigger picture and then piece it together.

3 (36m 2s):
If there is something that you find Jew, after Jew, after Jew is saying the same thing, listen to that. If you find Jew after Jew after Jew and then you find the one Jew saying something, that’s where then you use your critical thinking skills, you know, and try to figure that out for yourself. So yeah, it’s, it’s getting a wide variety of opinions and a and a and a bigger picture and understanding, you know, Jews are not a monolith and, and you know, using your brain about that.

1 (36m 45s):
So I, I know that like TikTok can really be like sapo of grossness sometimes, but like, what have you really enjoyed about your experience being on TikTok and sort of being a creator there?

3 (37m 2s):
I love the Jewish community. I’ve made so many friends, especially in this pandemic, being able to have a Jewish community. It’s so important. I feel like as Jews we are lost without each other. And so being able to still have a community while in quarantine, being able to find people that really, really do wanna do better and the intersectionality, there’s the, the diversity of Jewish identities can, can really, really be seen on TikTok. And I love that.

3 (37m 42s):
I love that I have become friends with like, a lot of, not just Christians but Christian leaders, a lot of ministers and pastors and preachers who are really, really doing the work. And it gives me a lot of hope and a lot of faith and it makes me feel a little bit less doomed. And it’s been really rewarding seeing the people who it clicks for. I say something and they are like, I’ve never thought of that. I’m so sorry. I’ve been, you know, I’ve had my head up my ass my entire life and I think I need to remove it now.

3 (38m 28s):
And that’s, that’s been really, that’s been a really positive experience being that I’m not trying to make white supremacists and Nazis like me. It’s the people that had no idea that they had these unconscious anti-Semitic biases. And, and a lot of people are really unpacking that, and it’s because of TikTok, which is insane.

1 (38m 56s):
Yeah, I feel like I’ve, you know, you know, had Jewish friends growing up and studied religion in college, so like with rabbis and do this work. And I still, even, even with all of that, you and the other creators on TikTok are still like blowing my mind on a daily and weekly basis. So, so thank you for the work that you put in.

3 (39m 16s):
Yeah. Thank you.

1 (39m 18s):
And then one of the questions that we’ve kind of been asking all of our guests is like, separate from your work or outside of your work, what’s something that’s been bringing you joy lately?

3 (39m 30s):
Hmm. Well, I mean, I, it’s winter now. I do have a little kind of greenhouse set up in my yard and it’s too cold for a lot of stuff, but I, I can do root vegetables and greens and so I’ve, I’ve got my carrots and beets are, are going strong and I’ve got some kale and some arugula, and I’m already like, ready for spring. I’m ready to hit the ground running. And that’s like the, I don’t know what else, because otherwise I’m trapped in my house with my kids and I, I love them, but this, this pandemic’s been rough and being outside and have, having something to nurture and grow that doesn’t yell at me.

3 (40m 26s):
It’s really nice.

1 (40m 30s):
I love it. Well, thank you again for being here and if folks want to like connect more with you, obviously, like if there’s your TikTok, is there anywhere else that you would like to sort of point folks to, to learn more about what you’re up to or stay connected with you?

3 (40m 46s):
Yeah, I have my TikTok and then I have my Instagram of the same name, so Millie, so same name on TikTok as on Instagram. And I can receive messages on Instagram and I’m happy to respond. Sometimes it takes a while because I’m tired, but you know, that’s a great place if anyone has any questions or just wants to let me know something. Yeah, my, my Instagram is there and my dms are open.

1 (41m 26s):
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1 (42m 8s):
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2 (42m 17s):
To dive into more of the action, visit us@queertheology.com. You can also connect with us online on Facebook, Twitter, Tumblr, and Instagram.

1 (42m 25s):
We’ll see you next week.

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