The 5 Levels of Leadership

Mar 10, 2021

Chris Goede, head of Corporate Solutions at the John Maxwell organization and Five Levels expert, shares practical coaching from training leaders globally. He discusses why leadership is influence. He breaks down each level from position to respect. He explains how levels shift across relationships and how organizations can make the model stick.

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Position Alone Yields Minimal Commitment

Leadership begins with position, but position alone earns only minimal effort from followers.
John Maxwell warns that people follow because they have to at level one, so you cannot build sustainable success there.

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Pastor's First Board Meeting Humbling Moment

John Maxwell recalled becoming a pastor and discovering farmers held the real influence in the church board.
That humbling experience taught him position didn't equal influence and he needed to learn to lead.

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Relationships Convert Obligation To Willingness

Relationships convert obligation into willingness; people follow because they want to at level two.
John Maxwell says leaders must listen, learn, and then lead to move hearts from "have to" to "want to."

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Why leadership is influence

02:27 • 2min

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Level 1 — Position: rights over people

04:48 • 7min

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Level 2 — Permission: relationships matter

11:54 • 5min

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Level 3 — Production: credibility through results

17:11 • 5min

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Level 4 — People development and reproduction

22:02 • 1min

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Level 5 — Respect earned over time

23:28 • 59sec

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Applying the model: introduction with Chris Goede

24:28 • 3min

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Fluidity of levels and different relationships

27:06 • 2min

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Moving roles: regaining influence quickly

29:04 • 4min

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Pitfalls: skipping steps to produce

33:10 • 4min

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Creating intentional leadership culture

37:38 • 3min

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One-hour intro workshop to gain buy-in

40:53 • 3min

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In this episode, John teaches one of his best-known leadership paradigms, The 5 Levels of Leadership. John walks through each of the 5 Levels and discusses their key characteristics, the qualifying factors required to reach each level, and how the levels build upon one another.

For the application portion of this episode, Mark Cole asks Chris Goede for his insights into the 5 Levels and what he's learned from training leaders around the globe in this leadership model. Chris Goede is one of the leading authorities in The 5 Levels of Leadership, and he shares valuable takeaways from this lesson, reminds us that we are all on different levels with everyone we know, and inspires us to lean in to the challenge of reaching new levels of influence with others.

Our BONUS resource for this episode is The 5 Levels of Leadership Worksheet, which includes fill-in-the-blank notes from John's teaching. You can download the worksheet by visiting MaxwellPodcast.com/5Levels and clicking "Download the Bonus Resource."

References:

The 5 Levels of Leadership by John C. Maxwell

5LevelsLeadership.com

Change Your World by John C. Maxwell

ChangeYourWorld.com

iEQUIP.org

The John Maxwell Online Store

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