252 – The 12 Virtues of Rationality, with Alex and David
Dec 10, 2025
A lively tour of Yudkowsky's Twelve Virtues, unpacking curiosity, relinquishment, lightness, and evenness. They explore argument as testing, empiricism, simplicity, humility, and precision. Scholarship, flow-like “the void,” and cooperation under uncertainty also feature. Personal reflections and a pitch for the Guild of the Rose round out the conversation.
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Childlike Curiosity That Never Died
David describes himself as what happens when a child's curiosity never dies and uses that image to motivate lifelong inquiry.
He treats curiosity as loving reality and wanting to 'hug it and know it all.'
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Train Loved Ones To Test Claims
Teach friends and family to argue by asking 'what evidence would change your mind' and propose fair tests.
Use bets or simple stakes to make disagreements resolvable and socially graceful.
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Simplicity Limits Failure Points
Simplicity reduces failure points because each extra assumption creates a new chance to be wrong.
Prefer models with fewer conditional steps to limit cascading errors.
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Join me as I sit down with Alex and David, both previous guests on the show and both cofounders of the Guild of the Rose. Together, we go over the core – the heart – of what we consider to be the Rationalist tradition. The 12 Virtues are an awesome distillation of what the rest of the sequences build on.
Be sure to check out the Guild of the Rose. If our constantly pitching it to you hasn’t been enough to persuade you to check it out, hopefully hearing two more of the founders discuss Rationality in general and giving their own pitches for the Guild will tip the scales.