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Dashboard: The Case Against Pay for Performance

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Mar 20, 2026
Kelly Allen, a management consultant steeped in W. Edwards Deming’s methods and board advisor at the Deming Institute, challenges common pay-for-performance beliefs. She explores why incentives can distort behavior and prompt metric gaming. The conversation highlights system-focused fixes, real-world examples of removing commissions, and practical steps for leaders to experiment with alternatives.
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INSIGHT

Why Pay For Performance Backfires

  • Pay-for-performance yields superficial wins but hides negative unintended consequences.
  • Incentives push people to chase metrics, compete, and optimize the wrong things, degrading quality and collaboration.
INSIGHT

Most Performance Comes From The System

  • The system, not individuals, accounts for roughly 85%–95% of results according to Deming's Red Bead experiment.
  • Fixing individuals wastes resources; invest in improving processes, tools, training, and interactions instead.
ANECDOTE

HVAC Company Boosted Sales By Dropping Commissions

  • Air Force One HVAC removed commissions and taught collaborative sales methods, moving the worst office to second-best in under a year.
  • They used Deming videos, led system change, and included profit sharing to align teamwork over transactions.
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