Verse Talks Abigail Miller and Micol Ap: sustainability, growth and long-term thinking
00:20 - Welcome Abigail Miller and Micol
01:07 - Micol’s journey into digital art and NFTs
02:20 - From corporate to crypto art
04:12 - Expectations and burnout
05:26 - Abigail’s background
06:26 - The Fulbright program, Russia and cultural diplomacy
09:32 - Crypto roots and art school
11:07 - Space struggles and growth
14:25 - Echo chamber and reset
18:46 - Financialization vs. experimentation
21:28 - Changes in identity, fame and cultural experience
23:54 - Art Basel Miami and Zero10
27:11 - The missing middle ground for artists
30:53 - Avant Arte operations
36:01 - Artists, curators and different value propositions
40:41 - Industry challenges behind the scenes
41:33 - Vertical’s hard lessons
45:10 - Building in public
45:36 - Feeling on the periphery of the community
47:46 - Women going quiet
49:18 - Social media burnout
56:09 - Beyond Twitter, IRLs and mailing lists
58:09 - Why female artists tend to be under represented
01:06:05 - Bro culture and access
01:10:24 - Sustainability and long-term thinking
01:12:37 - Women supporting women
01:22:03 - Checks, balances and ensuring growth