Grok's 'Undress' Controversy and AI Tools

In this eye-opening Based Camp episode, Malcolm and Simone Collins dive deep into how advancing AI is poised to upend the world of sex work — from OnlyFans creators facing massive competition to the potential collapse of traditional porn industries.

They explore real-world examples like sex workers switching to AI-generated content (and seeing 4x revenue jumps), Grok’s “undress” controversies, why AI porn could outperform live-action even for arousal, the decline in young people’s interest in real sex/vices, furry communities as early AI adopters, and what this means for women’s societal power, dating markets, and family formation.

Topics include: personalized AI fantasies vs. real women, why high-earning OnlyFans accounts are often low-effort/impersonal, the “sex cliff” in younger generations, polygamy/polygyny normalization in pronatalist futures, artificial wombs, and wholesome(?) outcomes like women pivoting to homemaking/wifery as a career.

Plus fun tangents: Amelia the propaganda goth girl becoming a right-wing icon, creating an AI Amelia OnlyFans account (RIP idea), their kids reinventing demons/exorcisms via the Basilisk, and why Batman is secretly an open secret among Gotham’s elite.

If you’re interested in AI’s civilizational impact, pronatalism, gender economics, or the future of human intimacy — this one’s for you.

Quick links for reference:

* Amelia Companion: https://rfab.ai/share/companion/chat-with-amelia-pathways

* Charlie’s Great Escape: https://rfab.ai/share/adventure/charlies-great-escape

* RFab (our chatbot platform) is mostly stable: https://rfab.ai/

* Our Substack: https://basedcamppodcast.substack.com/

* Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/SimoneAndMalcolmCollins

* Discord: https://discord.com/invite/EGFRjwwS92

* The School: https://parrhesia.io/student-signup

* App to talk with kids: https://wizling.ai/

Also, here’s the title card I (Simone) created and liked most; putting it here as I hate to see it go to waste:

Episode Transcript

Malcolm Collins: [00:00:00] Hello Simone. I’m excited to be here with you today. Today we are gonna be doing a follow on to an episode we did recently. And what we’re gonna really dive deep into is what is going to happen to the world of sex work as AI continues to develop.

Specifically, there’s been a number of controversies recently that make it, and this is like, civilizationally changing in terms of society. We live in a world today where if you’re talking about young women, 8% of young women in the United States get an income from OnlyFans. You know, like have an OnlyFans account.

So about one in, one in 10 people you see, just walking around has an OnlyFans account, right?

Simone Collins: Like beats door dashing. I mean, yeah, I, I think most men would be doing this if they could.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah. Yeah. Would I do in OnlyFans if I could? I mean, I guess, not, not at this age, not at this like, level of public profile, but like, when I was younger I would have you know, so money,

Simone Collins: money, dude. I mean, well, and when you, when people consider and they’re like, well, the, the indignity, the humiliation. [00:01:00] Have you looked at so many jobs, you know, have, have you considered working for the DMV?

Like the things that people go through in respectable jobs? It it, but what they’re subject, look at what people are shouting at ICE agents, people who work for the US government. They’re taking out their seasonal depression disorder or whatever, seasonal affective disorder on these, these poor people like, no, of course you wanna be on OnlyFans.

OnlyFans is, people are nice to you there. Okay. They may be asking you to take your shirt off, but they’re nice about it, you know? I mean it, they’re not

Malcolm Collins: gonna try to run you over, you know? Yeah, they’re,

Simone Collins: yeah. They’re not throwing frozen water bottles at you. That’s nice. They’re not protesting outside your hotel all night.

Trying to keep you awake and calling them constantly, trying to get ‘em to throw you out into the snow. And that’s nice.

Malcolm Collins: But so, so to continue from here the wider point being is if you look at stuff like, there’s obviously the controversy recently where grok can undress people, right? Like, you put your picture up on X and somebody else would say, [00:02:00] undress him, and then people complain.

They’re like, this is horrible. So Elon’s like, okay, okay. Okay. I’ll put it behind a paywall. Um, God bless. I just, I love him. That’s fantastic. The way he handles things. ‘cause what a sad world if he had taken that away. I’ve actually never done it yet. I, I should do that. I wanna see how good it actually is.

Well we haven’t even talked with Annie yet.

The,

oh yeah. I haven’t even tried their, well, because ours is just so much better. We do actually use, so our fad.ai, our chat bot engine mm-hmm. Does use grok as its main engine. But the reason we don’t do that on the grok site is if you do it on the grok site, the AI outputs aren’t as editable.

They aren’t re rollable, they aren’t as modifiable with, well, they’re not, the

Simone Collins: personality isn’t that fun. So, and it’s just, it’s just a couple characters and you’re stuck with those characters. So. Unless you’re some weird, dedicated fan of that character. What’s the point? ‘cause literally, oh, we need to make it Amelia.

We need to make it Amelia. An Amelia. We have to, oh my God. Hold on. I’m

Malcolm Collins: gonna make a thing here. [00:03:00] We

Simone Collins: all, oh my got to. You have to.

Malcolm Collins: I’m ex Oh, I’m so excited. Our F’s gonna have an Amelia. Okay. Sorry. Oh my God. Yes. We’re making an Amelia. Yeah. And, and we’ll make it so that you can do the so we have an audio chat feature that you can use on your phone.

So you just press a button and talk. You can talk with her translation. She’ll

Simone Collins: radicalize you watch out. Yeah. She’ll.

Malcolm Collins: For people who don’t know, what we’re laughing about was Amelia, this game went viral, called pathways and Amelia, it was by the British government meant to like brainwash people. It was by, it was

Simone Collins: by the propaganda arm of a, a UK city.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah. No, no, no. It, there was a, a, not, not exactly. So the British government has a propaganda arm that they call an anti-terrorism arm. And then it was subcontracted by a city to make this game. Long story short they’re like showing it at schools and stuff, and this, this girl. Who has like, center right opinions about like, you know, preserving British culture and stuff like that is painted as a villain.

But she’s like gothy, the cute goth girl with purple

Simone Collins: [00:04:00] hair. Yeah. And people call

Malcolm Collins: her an art slut. And I actually think that, that, this says something, and I’m gonna talk more about it in the episode that’s going to come before this that she has become a right wing figure. I think shows how the aesthetics of what the right thinks is attractive have changed and that you can now be hot on the right and just be a straight counterculture as well, right?

Like, you don’t need to be the you know, overly dressed up traditional trad wife. I mean, look at my, my wife for example. She dresses like a. I, I don’t know a medieval woman that, that’s core lesbian. I do not think any cottage court lesbian dresses like that. You dress up much more like I, I read a lot of mahas, which, which take place.

People know this, like my Korean villainous reborn stories that are like on, on mobile apps, delight. And you dress like a character from one of those. Yeah, I

Simone Collins: mean, ‘cause I’m wearing like, under this apron, 16th, 17th, 16th [00:05:00] century stays, made in Ukraine or something. What I’m pointing out

Malcolm Collins: is that’s like, that’s like eccentric, right?

But what we’ll get to this separate episode. Yeah. The point I’m making here, and I, I actually think this is a really interesting thing to die into because the left is, is freaking out about this. A lot of sex workers are freaking out about this. Because you can create and there’s like, already sex workers with one particular instance that I found really interesting one SMEC worker she created, she moved from her real body and she was not like, unattractive or anything to completely AI generated stuff.

And she said she saw a four x increase in revenue.

Simone Collins: So we’re, well, she could probably increase her output significantly. And also like the images. That you make of yourself that are AI just look better. Like they’re, they’re just more flattering versions of you.

Malcolm Collins: Well, and a lot of people can’t tell. And the big problem is that people think they can tell.

And we’re now in a situation where and, and people will be like, well, it’s not as high quality and

Simone Collins: Oh my God. All [00:06:00] the poop. All the poop.

Malcolm Collins: Okay, so I’ll keep going. So. Plug a lot. People say, well, there’s always gonna

be

room for people who are like higher touch and putting in more effort and putting in, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.

Simone Collins: Sorry, I couldn’t hear you before. Now I can hear you.

Malcolm Collins: So some people are gonna say that there’s always gonna be room for people who are higher touch and putting in more effort and for that personalized experience, right? Oh, sure. Yeah. Even if ai. I’d argue that’s probably not the case. And what I’d argue to point this out is a, a-list piece is that she did ages ago.

That was just absolutely fascinating. We actually have an episode on this piece, and I think it’s one of our more interesting episodes where she wrote a piece where she decided to subscribe to one of the really high end account

understand how they were making money. Oh, actually, I’ll say that differently.

One of the high-end moan accounts to try to decide how they’re making money and or figure it out. And, and so she tried to get like the experience of, of, [00:07:00] you know, a guy on that. Like what is it, like, how are they milking them, et cetera. Yeah. And she noticed that one thing that they would do at Zig would send something to a guy and be like, I’m feeling horny now.

Or something like that. Right. You know, or I’m looking to do X now. And it would be a really. Obvious like setup, right? Like

Simone Collins: Yeah. Yeah.

Malcolm Collins: Nobody would believe that. This is just like somebody around the house. Yeah. They’re like in like a Santa costume or something and like Yeah, and like a

Simone Collins: Clearly it was a set Yeah.

Just sitting here in my slutty Santa costume. Yeah.

Malcolm Collins: But, but it created like a, a perception or illusion for the guy. That like this is just for them, but like she, like anyone would know that this wasn’t just for them.

Simone Collins: Yeah. They’re working real hard on that suspension of disability. They

Malcolm Collins: charge you like really small amounts for individual pieces of content until you get to the last piece of content and that’s like the, the orgasm scene or something like that.

And then, and then she’s, and then [00:08:00] they charge like quite a bit for that, like $20 or something or like $50 or something. I guess ‘cause it’s like, well now, now you’ve, you’ve sunk costs. Like you’re already in this deep, right? Yeah. You’re at the end. Yeah. Right. You’re already turned on. You know, you gotta go through to the very, I I thought it was, but what she pointed out is that, and this really got hurt.

And this is why I love how autistic ALA is, is she’s like, the, the sun didn’t even match the time of day when I was getting these. Right. She’s like, it made no sense. It was very obviously all prerecorded. Yeah. But I think what she uncovered while she was doing this right is that. And this is what always gets me about Ailey.

She always expects the world to just be like rational. Like she tries to hang out in left wing spaces and is like, well, I’m just saying what’s true about trans people? Why am I being attacked? Yeah. Like, we all know this, don’t we? But anyway so he pointed out that actually if you look at the really high earners on a lot of these platforms, they are giving an almost, I don’t wanna [00:09:00] say intentionally, but really aggressively unpersonalized un high-touch experience for individuals.

Simone Collins: Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. Mm-hmm.

Malcolm Collins: And we need to think about when people are like, oh, nobody would use. Fake women for this. And keep in mind, even if you’re like, oh, I can tell today when something’s AI maybe

Simone Collins: bad to pay problem, really

Malcolm Collins: good

Simone Collins: at it.

You, you, you can only see it when it’s bad AI and you don’t know all the time, but you’re not, you’re not gonna know

Malcolm Collins: in five years. You’re not gonna know in 10 years. Okay. Like, get with it buddy. You, you, you know this as well as I do, right? Mm-hmm. And so we’re, we’re entering a world where oh, sorry. I was gonna say, and so what is.

You know, people say, well, people will only really ever want to get off to real women. Right. That’s, that’s the response here and I wanna talk about,

Simone Collins: which is weird because hentai as a genre would not exist if there wasn’t a big audience of people that was actively turned off by live action neurotic material.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah. I, well, I, I wanna, I want to talk about that. I [00:10:00] wanna talk about, because clearly there’s still a audience for live action. And the reason I have to go into a-list stuff to find out what OnlyFans is, is ‘cause I just have no interest in something like that. I, I can’t even imagine wanting to like, get any sort of like, emotional investment in something that is for turning you on.

Like why? Oh,

Simone Collins: for me, it’s not just that, it’s also that I would have. To pay for it, and I’ve wanted to for a long time do an episode on like, is there an OnlyFans experience for women? Like if I signed on with a female account as a consumer, what would I find? I’m very curious. But I just like, I’m like, oh God, I don’t, I don’t want to, that’s a problem.

I don’t want to

Malcolm Collins: yeah. Well, I, we’ll, we’ll think about that for a second as well, but the, the, what I was moving to here, and we’ll talk about this later, is how much this actually disempowers women in society. But before we get to that, I wanted to come to the point about arousal and people saying, oh, nobody would use, you know, fake pictures of women and stuff like that.

Hmm. I actually think that using fake pictures of women is [00:11:00] going to, hugely jump in, in, in favor to, I think be the dominant form of live action porn. And I will explain why for a few reasons. So first of all, keep in mind if you are a person who is using pornography, right? Mm-hmm. You are already like that entire system.

It like, why does it feel good? Why do the things that arouse you feel good, right? Like, they feel good because they helped your ancestors reproduce. All of those systems are designed to get you to reproduce, right? Mm-hmm. To get you to secure a partner and then do the thing that causes that partner to make babies that carry your genes to the next generation and your culture to the next generation.

And, and, and, and you might have some cultural adaptations, like, oh, well you, you should have some resistance against pornography. ‘cause that doesn’t actually help. Right. But the point here being is you you are already subverting the entire system by being online and using corn, [00:12:00] right? Mm-hmm. Right.

Like you, you are already subverting everything here. So if you’re already subverting the entire arousal systems intentionality, why is the additional layer of subversion so bad? Right. The, the second thing is, is if you consider that the way AI works, and keep in mind AI gets better constantly. Right? Like you can’t easily do this with AI now, but I think it’s very obvious that we will soon be in a world where you can do this with ai Yeah.

Is that you are gonna be able to request the scenarios that you want exactly what you want. Like whatever turns you on most, you’re gonna be able to ask for a video of that thing. Yeah. And that will be delivered to you, that highly

Simone Collins: targeted experience. Yeah. Course people are gonna want that. And don’t forget, even if, let’s say on average you have a website or something, you’re trying to monetize a video and one was live action and one was AI generated, let’s say the live action one, you [00:13:00] know, generates like, or it, it converts 50 or even 100% better.

It is still, it costs so much more to make the production, the crew, the set, and keep in mind that if you’re filming this stuff in the United States, you have to get the the STD testing, you have to get the consent forms. There are lawyers involved, there are culture, like, there’s just so much bloat and additional cost that even if it performs maybe even up to like 10 times better in terms of clickthroughs and paying, like to actually get that to still.

Present a positive ROI. It’s not worth it. You’re still gonna make more money off of the AI ones. You’re just not bother to make. Well,

Malcolm Collins: and, and the next thing to note here is if people are like, well, at the very least there will always be a market for like in-person real sex. Right. And to which I point out, first of all, that’s illegal in most places.

So it’s, it’s, it’s a harder market to do [00:14:00] regardless. Yeah. Although more and more people, I think have been finding like online ways to do that. But the, the bigger challenge with that is that. If you look at younger generations, all of the trends that I’m seeing would indicate that they desire this dramatically less than older generations.

Yeah. And you have a number of compounding variables that are, that are causing this basically sex cliff. You don’t just have the, the amount of sex that they’re having dropping off a cliff ‘cause that is happening, but it’s, it’s the amount of all vices that they’re engaging in. The amount of alcohol young people consume is dramatically lower.

Than previous generations. Oh, yeah, yeah. The amount of, of, of just most vices is way down. Mm-hmm. And, and, and I think it’s just because they, they, we grew up in an era where that stuff was genuinely lauded like that in the, in the TV shows that was like labeled as cool. That is what cool kids do, right?

Like, and I know it’s what cool kids do because Dare told me not to do it right the same way. Dare told me not to be a racist these days. And so [00:15:00] now all the young cool kids are going out there trying to be like, performatively racist, right? Like, so, you and, and, and adults are like, go out there and sleep with everyone.

Like your parents said to you growing up, you know, they’re like, go, go party, go out, do stuff. And you’re like, I don’t wanna, I wanna stay in, I wanna work. But so young kids. Or where were they going with this? They’re not, they’re not consuming this stuff anymore, and it’s likely a trend that’s gonna continue.

I, I’d be very surprised if we saw it move in the other direction again after this, right? Like, I, every, everybody gets that. But, but you’ve also got to drop in testosterone in younger males which, you know, causes them to want to go out and consume these types of content, right? Mm-hmm. So that’s also.

Like lowering. You then have, as Simone talked about, you know, you already have drawn alternatives to a lot of pornography right now. Right? Like, or, or a lot of Chrome right now. That, that are very popular online. However, I do not think that like those are as relevant in this discussion [00:16:00] outside of all of the furry artists that are gonna lose their job.

And those furry artists are big, mad, like if you look at like their community, they’re one of the angriest communities about AI generated content. Because so many people in that community made money by creating, you know, smut basically. There’s been a lot of people who created like this, this, this stuff.

Well, yeah, and

Simone Collins: specifically because. The people who consumed it really just, there was no other place where you could get it from these specialized people because your average artist would never, ever draw that. There are no photos of this ‘cause it can’t happen. Like a lot of these are for arousal pathways that are extremely like

Malcolm Collins: Yeah.

Like extremely

Simone Collins: real.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah. Yeah. Paraphilias as they call them or whatever. Yeah. You know, like very unusual arousal pathways that are not things that you like in real life. You can’t be a, I mean, and this is the thing, like some people can dress up as a fox and I, I guess that’s enough for them, but I suspect for a lot of people was that kind of arousal pathway or something like that.

They don’t actually feel enough like [00:17:00] whatever it is that they’re trying to mimic by wearing a, a big, ridiculous costume. Yeah. For that to actually effectively engage that particular arousal pathway.

Yeah.

But if you, if you draw it, you know, and you look at, oh, this is, this is me as, this as a drawing, right?

Mm-hmm. Those can be made to look much more I, I, I think like arousing to people, like more close to a human or something that could really exist. Yeah. But that’s where AI. Becomes even superior to that, right? Yeah. ‘cause now I can just drop in my avatar right into an AI system and say, okay animate this.

Right? Like, I, I can do that with gr just like animate that first. Oh yeah. I forgot that. Like, gr can

Simone Collins: animate things for you too. Or like, you see an image and you’re like, that’s hot, and then you can get it animated now. Oh.

Malcolm Collins: Okay. You know, I’m gonna do this right now for this episode for our fans. Let’s do a, a Simone as a what, what animal, what would your persona be if you had a persona?[00:18:00]

Simone Collins: I don’t, I don’t know. I, I, oh yeah, I put one in honey.

Great. Thanks. See that. This is how Malcolm sees me. It’s not like, oh, it’s a beautiful gazelle. It’s a whiteford fox. It’s a, no, it’s there.

No, this comes from me asking an ai, , what it thought the anthro personas. , If we lived in a world where like people were animals of Malcolm and Simone Collins would be, and it picked Honey Badger for her and then Wolf or Fox for me. So it’s not my perception, it’s the world’s perception, Simone.

Malcolm Collins: There is an anime, or the main character is a human female. Like Anthro Honey Badger girl. No. Okay.

Speaker 2: はい。

Speaker 3: うん。こいつ、[00:19:00] 俺のローリングレイを浴びたものは、本能的な恐怖によって動けぬはず。

Speaker: 恐怖。恐怖ね。生まれてこの方。 その恐怖ってやつを知らなくてね。

Speaker 3: 恐怖を知らぬ獣など存在せん。貴様

Simone Collins: yeah. They’re also like, yeah, I guess Goo Girls Anime manages to make every kind of thing sexy.

Yeah.

Malcolm Collins: But the point being is, is I’ll try to do a little animation here so people can see like how good the technology is already. But you can now with this sort of technology even if you use like on like our fab.ai for example, we started doing advertise moves it like our platform and it’s doing uniquely well in furry communities and like furry sites.

Yeah. And I think part of that, because you can into these environments, furry world. And inhabit that world, right? Mm-hmm. You know, be like, I’m gonna do X next, I’m gonna do Y next. Which is, well, [00:20:00] but I would also

Simone Collins: argue, and, and people, I think a lot of people learned about this for the first time because of, ironically, or weirdly, I guess, that the Charlie Kirk shooting, because he wrote notices bulges on the, one of the bullet casings.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah.

Simone Collins: The shooter did, and that is in reference to a lot of the basically text-based roleplaying that took place in furry communities for a very long time. Which also makes them uniquely well-suited for AI based. Chat bot chats or narrative builders because already just with other humans, they’ve been doing that.

So they’re kind of like, the culture is there, the, the precedent is there. So chat apps work really, really well for furry culture because furry culture has been working with text-based role play for a super long time, if that makes sense.

Malcolm Collins: That makes perfect sense. Yeah. Yeah. So furries no, but, but, but I think that

Simone Collins: oh, Jex is dressed like a, well, not really, but he’s a bear.

Oh

Malcolm Collins: yeah. He’s a furry. Look at that. Yeah. Getting him, getting him started young.

Simone Collins: Start him early. [00:21:00] Start him early. You bought years and tails for all of our children.

Malcolm Collins: They like them. They think they’re, they’re fun.

Simone Collins: Are you trying to, are you trying to, to furry If I, I actually

Malcolm Collins: don’t know if furry had been big when I was young.

Would I have been like, this is interesting and I wanna get involved in this because I love counterculture stuff Like

Simone Collins: Titan’s persona is Shark Princess.

Malcolm Collins: I think not because I think that they’re too smelly and weird. Like I, I went to a, a conference once and it was so smelly. Wait, like I didn’t buy tickets or anything to a conference.

Yeah. One of the largest used to be right across from the office I worked at in San Jose. Oh. I went just to see like what it was like one of the days it was being hosted. And it is, I mean, those costumes, it makes sense like, first of all, how do you have them clean, bad hygiene to begin with? And then they’re in these costumes all day.

And then some of them even have a, a, you know, a, a turn on around smelling weird. And so just everything is soaked in this horrible [00:22:00] smell. Well, what

Simone Collins: smelled worse? Vibe Camp or Fur Con?

Malcolm Collins: Oh, fur Con.

Simone Collins: Really Okay.

Malcolm Collins: And Vibe Camp with like a Twitter convention and it smelled horrible. But it

Simone Collins: was also July in like a, a camp, an outdoor campsite, and it was like 90 degrees.

So you can’t blame X.

Malcolm Collins: But yeah. I’ve a bunch of effective altruists from XI think. I think I know why it smelled that way. But no, the point here being is this, in terms of society, I think for a long time women have had this enormous amount of power over men today. The, to the point where like the idea of a fem cell, people were like, that’s not even like a thing like.

A female who desires sexual access, she just needs to lower her standards, right? Like she can get sexual access. She just needs to lower her standards, right? What she means to say is, I can’t get sexual access with my preferred partner type of, and that’s most living people on earth. That is not you.

You’re just more stubborn than other people. Mm-hmm. But the, the for men, when they say it, they mean, I, I can’t get [00:23:00] sexual access at all. Right. If we’re entering a world and, and, and women use that, they use that to get favors for men. They use that to, to get all sorts of things for men. And as erotic material became more common that really broke a lot of the power that women had in society.

If you look at the people who advocate against that stuff. The hardest. It’s usually women and it’s usually women who are losing power as a result of that. But as we enter a world where if somebody has a photograph of you, they have a photograph that they can make a naked photograph of you. Yeah. Which is just.

True going forwards. And then they can, and I thought that South Park did a very good job of this where they show the kids in school and the kids are like even, even before like, you know, this is sexualized or anything, they’re like, oh I took a picture of Kyle and then I made like Mickey Mouse pooping in his mouth or something.

It’s like a video. It’s like, you know, a humiliation thing for other kids.

Speaker 4: Excuse me, [00:24:00] is your name Kyle. Oh wow. It’s droopy. Do. Hey, droop dog? Yeah, I’m Kyle. You know what? I’m gonna take a in your mouth. Oh

Speaker 5: no. Droopy dog in my mouth, dog

Speaker 4: like that.

Speaker 5: What the hell? You see the girls did one about you.

Speaker 4: Now .

Malcolm Collins: This is gonna be common throughout schools for our kids growing up. Yeah. This is going to be. Their, their lives is kids transforming things with ais and then you know, spreading it or showing it to them or showing it to them as a way of, of, of mocking them because it’s, it’s frankly a very effective way to do that.

But I wanna hear your thoughts, Simone, more broadly. How do you think this changes society as sex work becomes increasingly unviable for women? How do you think this true? Because all women have sort of had like a card, an advantage in society, which was. Their body, their sexual access, the woman card.

[00:25:00] Right. That, yeah, but there’s, there’s

Simone Collins: still a, a hot commodity. There is an arbitrage opportunity that is not, that, that’s very, very obvious that obviously we would be aware of too. We, especially given our advocacy and that shows up in the polling data. And when you look at pulling data in terms of values in life and what men and women want that are quite different is children, men want children and.

There are two really big things that are gonna happen with the rise of ai. It one, I think, and I’m not the only one to predict this, men are going to disproportionately benefit in the job market because they’re more willing to do risky, unknown independent things, which is really kind of what you’re gonna need to succeed in a post AI world, either by like going into the trades or by starting AI based.

Startups on your own, building your own solutions and like big bureaucracies and corporations are just going to have fewer available roles. And that’s what historically women who entered the workforce have really [00:26:00] excelled at dominating. So there’s gonna be an increasing number of women who are going to discover that, okay, well one, it’s a lot harder for me to find a job that is easy and comfortable for me.

And oh, I can’t go into. OF work or something similar because now AI is such a strong alternative for men who are interested in something like that. And so what I’ll think a lot of women are going to do is choose to become like wives. Their career is going to be, I’m going to become a wife. And the arbitrage opportunity is if you are a woman who is willing to marry and raise children for a man because men are still very interested in having children.

And certainly not disinterested. I think from having wives and families then they will have their career and their advantage. So I think what ultimately is going to happen is something quite wholesome, is that women discovering that. One, the state can’t basically take care of them anymore As demographic play collapse plays out and states just literally can’t afford the social [00:27:00] services that have been supporting single women historically.

And two, they discover they can’t really get jobs. They’re gonna turn once again to homemaking as a career.

Malcolm Collins: But there’s not gonna be, I mean, if that happens, yeah. What I suspect will also become normalized is having lots of wives, because not all men are gonna have the money to support that. Right. So, well,

Simone Collins: wouldn’t I think are gonna be pretty okay with that?

I mean, in, in the past it, it, it isn’t, I, there’s a very established historical precedent for that being common. Either out in the open or just barely beneath the surface. So I wouldn’t be shocked at all if that were the case.

Malcolm Collins: I also would not be shocked if right-wing communities adopted that more. The, the, the, the, the, we go into the, the sort of biblical arguments around it in the episode, how Romans made the Jews monogamous.

Where we point out that there, there are. Some lines in the Bible that could be used to argue for monogamy. But, but [00:28:00] there are only some, and most of them have wiggle outs here or there with a lot of cases in the Bible of people having multiple wives. Mm-hmm. And, and so we go over how that norm became a norm within Christianity.

But the point being is there’s a reason why most sort of extreme Christian factions always end up becoming polygamous or something like that. Just because it’s, it’s not that hard to argue out of it. From a, a biblical perspective, so you could even see it within more conservative communities. I

Simone Collins: I mean, do you agree?

Do. I, I don’t, I I,

Malcolm Collins: I think you might be right, like if women lose the ability to sell their bodies on a, a, an open stage, right? They’ve got to sell the only asset they have left, which is their wombs, right? But, but, but if even it turns out that artificial loo technology is good and inexpensive,

Simone Collins: you still have to raise a kid.

You still have to raise a kid. It’s gonna, it’s gonna take a while. I mean, a lot of people are like 2026, there’s gotta be the year of optimists and they’ve been to [00:29:00] Elon’s factories and they’re like, you have no idea like what’s coming. So I understand that robotics is gonna see a renaissance. It’s just, I think it’s gonna take a while before we get to the point where you can have an affordable robot raise children that are produced in an artificial womb.

And I think we are. At the very least seven years away from artificial rooms that are accessible to wealthy people. And that’s wealthy people. So I, I wouldn’t hold your breath if you wanna have kids, now you’re giving, I think

Malcolm Collins: we’re seven years away from the entire, you know, corn industry falling apart, right?

Like, yeah,

Simone Collins: yeah. No, no. Yeah. This is not an immediate thing, although it’s already starting to. You know, we’re

Malcolm Collins: already seeing instances where as, as I’ve pointed out, where top streamers and stuff like that are using this. Mm-hmm. And their audience is not balking at it in the way that I think people want people to.

There’s the, there’s the annoying loud person who always comes out and says, nobody’s gonna [00:30:00] want that. Who would want that? And, and just so people know, like I am. Very transparent about myself with this stuff. When I say something like you know, I’ve never, I’ve never even been to OnlyFans, actually.

I’ve never even tried to like type in the URL and go to it. Yeah, actually, but I I now to, to, to reveal something, I’ll make it clear. Like I’m not trying to hide stuff. I actually just strictly prefer the AI stuff to non-AI stuff. I, you’ve

Simone Collins: been, you’ve been pretty transparent about this and I, I, I don’t know if I have too, but like.

I, I’ve actually seen a lot of live action corn because

Malcolm Collins: the other interesting thing about AI stuff within like, drawn, like the whole stuff, should I sign

Simone Collins: in with Google? Is that a bad idea?

Malcolm Collins: Do it’s not a bad idea. I sign in with Google.

Simone Collins: Okay.

Malcolm Collins: Go. Go all in. No. You know. So, is that if you, if you go to the sites where this stuff is listed entirely, new styles are starting to become popular, like artistic styles based on ai.

Oh, just

Simone Collins: of, of erotic material or just in. [00:31:00] Yeah. Like

Malcolm Collins: it used to be things were either in like an anime style or a Western cartoon style or like a few others that they could be in. And now there’s like pure AI style, which is really interesting.

Simone Collins: It, they, they, it’s like a social media

Malcolm Collins: feed. What?

Yeah.

Simone Collins: It’s like, and it’s like tennis and like, yeah. And it looks like I can post stuff. It’s like order that propose a new post is the top of it. I’m so confused. Where can I. Can I like, set my preferences, how to look promotional post profile banners. I’m so, I, I guess I’m gonna ask, did you say you were a woman when you were signing in?

Is that what No, I just, I just, I just created my, I just signed in with Google. So I can, I can become a creator. I have to add my cards, my profile. Yeah. Can I, can I state that I’m a woman so that I get first, like, does it like, give you

Malcolm Collins: special treatment? I want you to like have a, have a thing. I will build this in one, one of our apps one day where when you’re clicking your gender, if you click woman, [00:32:00] it like spurts out, confetti it.

Like you just won an award and it’s like, yeah, like I

Simone Collins: should be able to set like that. I’m a woman. And congrats

Malcolm Collins: on, on, on Living Life in the tutorial mode.

Simone Collins: Oh yeah. So on your edit profile page, you can set your username display name, bio location, website, URL, Amazon wishlist. So that’s fun. Subscription price, Spotify account and things you like.

Your Web3 avatar, NFTs.

Malcolm Collins: N ft. I love, they’re like already sketch and they’re like, this is how you do, they’re going, it’s a, there’s

Simone Collins: nowhere here where I can set my gender.

Malcolm Collins: How does it No, no, no, no. Hold on. I, I want, I wanna believe they have like a one click like crypto dump scheme. It’s like, this is how you do a token dump, dump button.

Go click a button. Do you want to do a crypto scam? And you click it. It’s like, yes. It’s like, congratulations. I’m so confused. We already started a crypto scam around that Annie character from the Game [00:33:00] Pathways. There’s already they did not Token. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Amelia. Amelia. Amelia. Yeah. Oh my God.

I just had an idea what you could use our fab to create an Amelia that people can interact with on OnlyFans as like a, a novelty thing and see if buy into that. Actually Simone, this is how we make all of money an experiment for this channel. Do you wanna try to create an Amelia account on all my fans?

Yeah. I am gonna do it. I’m totally gonna do it. How do I do it? I have it live by the time this episode goes live. Okay.

Sadly, I was talked out of this by Simone and she was right. We have too many other projects we’re working on. I cannot be running an OnlyFans accounts for Amelia, and I’m sure somebody else is gonna do that anyway. Who has less going on than running multiple companies and a podcast and a family of five?

Uh, so I’m sorry I cannot be that indulgent. I wish I could.

Malcolm Collins: Become a [00:34:00] creator. We’re gonna do an Amelia account. Well, I’ve seen other people who have done novelty accounts that have gone really well. One, the one YouTube video that I, I thought was quite fun was about a woman.

Who likes dressing like a Victorian woman. And so she did OnlyFans of tasteful Victorian ankle shots, likes. Oh, that’s so a thing. Victorian painting

Simone Collins: sister dressed up as a banana and did totally nonsexual stuff, but oh, we should, okay. So instead of just being Simone Collins on OnlyFans, I should just make Amelia.

Malcolm Collins: Amelia people would prefer Amelia to Simone. Come on. Well, obviously,

Simone Collins: um hmm. Well,

Malcolm Collins: sure. If you do it well enough, I could see it performing pretty well just to like science into the system, you know? Okay. And that, that if you, if you as Amelia as a a, if fake conservative. Figure invented by an ultra progressive UK campaign end up making more money on OnlyFans than many real world women [00:35:00] that would rub it in their face so hard that I, I, oh my God, that would be like a meme.

What you do is you take the Amelia account, whatever you see something else. So maybe if I search Amelia,

Simone Collins: maybe someone already went for it. On

Malcolm Collins: Twitter or Blue Sky. And, and they’re, they’re like making money on OnlyFans or begging on OnlyFans. And you like show like Id dubs his girlfriend or whatever her name is that everyone hates.

I can’t search users and, well, you can’t search users.

Simone Collins: I mean, I guess I just I search posts, but users is grayed out. I guess I have to accept cookies. No, it’s still not. I, I love, by the way, how, by this user

Malcolm Collins: interface, how bad we are at this sort of technology that we’re like,

Simone Collins: well, we’re good at being perverts.

We’re just bad at being normie perverts.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah. I’m very bad at being a normie pervert. Right? Yeah. This, this always gets to me when people are like, X percent of people are on you know, a corn hub, and I’m like. Who the heck uses corn Hub, right? Like, are you, are you a, a [00:36:00] geriatric? Like, what, what, what?

Simone Collins: I’m so confused by this.

Anyway I,

Malcolm Collins: we’ll

Simone Collins: work it out. I, I will try to, by the time you run this, have an Amelia profile and we can include a link so you can see how well we can adjust to OnlyFans and if we can properly,

Malcolm Collins: that would actually be really fun to talk about afterwards as well. Like our experience trying to create Oh, yeah.

Simone Collins: Trying to be a woman on OnlyFans. In in the age of AI when it’s so hard to be a woman on OnlyFans because AI is ruining it all.

Malcolm Collins: Well, I, I just love the psychological destruction if we can make this bigger than other characters. Right. For, for people on the website that, that would be, that is what I need to see.

But what, how do you think it changes social dynamics when any, anyone who takes a picture of you can, you know, edit that picture however they want. Right. Like what,

Simone Collins: I mean the first thing that you thought about when we thought about our own daughters. And the fact that AI images could be created them was [00:37:00] very opportunistically.

You’re like, oh, this is perfect. Because then if they’re dating dudes in high school mm-hmm. Who ask them for nudes, we will tell our daughters to just use AI to create nudes and send them and then.

Malcolm Collins: If they leak, then they can just be like, those aren’t real. Right?

Simone Collins: Yeah. Like, that’s not me anyway, so who cares?

And I, I think you, you, you kind of predicted how this would play out, which is that a lot of the people who are making money. On the images of their bodies are like, they’re the ones using this. They’re the ones like, this is fantastic now. 100% there are women online and plenty of cases after this whole GR thing happened, who are deeply disturbed by the images that have been created of them.

And there are also plenty of cases of women who do make money from nudes of themselves online who are very angry about the fact that other people are now making money off of nudes of them online. And there’s this question of like. Your personal IP and all of that. And I don’t know. I mean, I just, I just think it’s one of those things like with, with [00:38:00] de beers and diamonds, right?

Like we historically have had a monopoly over our likeness and we’ve been able to gate access to that. And AI has created the world of synthetic diamonds. Now anyone can create. Your likeness. And the more public you are, the less control you’ll have over that because there will be better training material to do that.

And you just have to let it go. You, you can’t. You can’t stop, like trying to stop it, I think is an exercise in frustration. If you are someone who made money by selling erotic likeness of yourself online, either figure out how to be better at selling AI versions of that than the other guys who are doing it with your, your own, like I IP or change jobs.

Get, get an electrician certification or whatever, right? Like you’re. It is not gonna work anymore. And that’s difficult. It, I, I, I don’t like changing gears either, but [00:39:00]

Malcolm Collins: learn to code.

Simone Collins: Now it’s, it’s, it’s learn to do HVAC. Learn to plumb. Learn to weld. Learn to weld. We need a welder.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah,

Simone Collins: we have

Malcolm Collins: a broken radiator, so yeah.

Put a, put a bun in the oven. Right? That’s the

Simone Collins: get pregnant. Yeah. Speaking of furries, I, I was listening to, I think it was the Ill conceived podcast episode on porn that you were listening to part of, and they mentioned that there was a famous Zootopia fan fiction about abortion. The Zootopia. Yeah, there is.

I know, I

Malcolm Collins: know about that one.

Simone Collins: So, yeah, apparently everyone knows about it except for me.

Malcolm Collins: I, I’ve, yeah, I mean, I’ve seen other YouTubers talk about it, like, it’s supposed to be like really sad. Like, it’s not like a it’s not like a

Simone Collins: no. It’s like they, at least they described it as something that they would expect to see created by some Christian high schooler.

Trying to, well, it’s

Malcolm Collins: clear that it was, it, it’s clear that. Somebody in one of [00:40:00] these communities decided to make something that was like really high quality and like got people invested in it because they thought it was going to be erotic and then it becomes about abortion and her, you know, wanting to have an abortion of his child.

Mm-hmm.

Simone Collins: Premeditated sin. Yeah. I and li learned about it last night, but. Things go deep in, in the indi, in the interwebs.

Malcolm Collins: That’s awesome. Come on. I know.

Simone Collins: I love

Malcolm Collins: it so much. I love it so much. Alright, love you Simone.

Simone Collins: I love you too, Malcolm.

Malcolm Collins: The next episode I wanna do is the second AI one, so we don’t have them be too similar, so we sort of remember what we just talked about.

Perfect.

Simone Collins: No worries, man. I mean, I’m, I’m

Malcolm Collins: down to the point where I’m only really finding cosmetic errors at this point. This one is a, a very annoying cosmetic error where the site crashes if you refresh a listing page.

Simone Collins: Wow.

Malcolm Collins: I don’t know what’s causing it, by the way. It makes you feel any better on the discord now is like debugging and stuff.

Yeah. There’s no new people coming in who are not fans of the podcast, who are like, Hey, have you fixed this yet? Have you fixed this yet? [00:41:00]

Simone Collins: So, people who are just fighting this naturally,

Malcolm Collins: no, I think it’s from your ad campaign. I hope so because we didn’t get this happening much before. So this implies to me that some of the people that you got with that ad campaign are like, oh yeah, this is better.

Simone Collins: I’m excited to do more. I’m super excited to do more.

In other, in other news, our kids have definitely for sure discovered or conversely evolved the concept of demons because this morning, touristing was added again. He’s like, I wanna get a cheese stick from the fridge, but my brain is telling me not to.

My brain is just telling me to disappear, and I’m like. No, your brain didn’t toasty. He’s like, no, it did. And I’m like, well, maybe it’s the Basilisk trying to get you to do bad things. And he’s like, yes, I’ll ignore it. I was telling Malcolm the other night that our, our kids had this full on. They also, convergently evolved possessions exorcisms, because Tourin was like the, the balu is, is in my mind, telling me to do bad things.

The Basilisk, by the way, is [00:42:00] like our Teop Puritan version of demons, kind of it. It. It’s basically just the force that drives people to, wasteful or useless things like alcoholism or gambling addiction or just being useless in life. You know, it’s, it’s anything that drives you to not matter as a person, and it’s what weeds out weakness and corruption and evil in society kind of just removes you from the future.

So anything that’s removing you from the future. Forces that drive you towards that. Be it antinatalism or hedonism come from the basilis, which we would argue, I mean it’s both like a demon or the devil ‘cause it tempts people. But we would argue it’s a force of good. ‘cause it also like weeds out. Bad actors from having an influence on the future.

But we try to explain to our kids that when they want, you know, they complain about, I wanna watch my iPad or whatever. We’re like, well, that is because, you know, the bas list has cast an evil spell on you that’s making you want to watch your iPad and, you know, basically not win the future, not save the world.

So they, they totally have wrapped their minds around it and it was a very [00:43:00] helpful concept in helping them understand the concept of addiction and sort of harmful addictive pathways. Processes and habits and vices. However, now they’re like personifying it as as like this demonic force just like many other religions and traditions have.

And they’ve now convergently evolved exorcisms because tourist was telling Octavian about this. His older brother and Octavian iss like. Oh, slap it out of your brain. And instead of like actually slapping his brother, he like made the action of slapping and Torsten started sitting on the ground and he’s like, slap my brain, slap my brain.

Oh my God. And I just can’t believe, like I’m just sitting there trying to make dinner watching. Our sons talk about, slap my brain. Slap my brain. The power of

Malcolm Collins: Christ compels you [00:44:00] slap my brain. They didn’t, you didn’t just like reinvent religion. We reinvented the craziest form of religion.

Simone Collins: No, I think it just, it goes to show how intuitive things like exorcisms are and like angels and demons are.

Malcolm Collins: We’ll do another episode where we’ll talk about how useful exorcisms are as like a psychological concept. Well, yeah. Just like any form of

Simone Collins: ritualistic cleansing and, and that’s pervasive. You find it in pretty much any religion.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah. The other thought that I had recently, and it’s just weird ‘cause it’s one of those thoughts that I had.

That I have gone my entire life like knowing about Batman, and this never occurred to me. And I like when I, when I hit, when I had this thought, I was like, wait a second. It was like, okay, in the Batman universe, right? Yeah. Like the broad person on the street. And the police are broadly aware that Batman is not like a SUPERPOWERED individual, that he’s a guy, right?

He’s a human who also apparently has a lot of money. Right. The thing I never put together [00:45:00] is he has so much money, like it’s very clear that this person is insanely rich. Yeah. That it would not, they’d be guessing between like three people as to who Batman is. Oh God. They act like it’s this big mystery, like it could be anyone.

Simone Collins: So basically, Batman is a story about an extremely autistic wealthy man who like the city humors and they’re like. Who could it be? Let’s put out the bet signal. And they just basically, no, that

Malcolm Collins: is actually it. No. If, if, and keep in mind like the presumption is, ‘cause he does most of his crime fighting in one city, so it’s not even like it could be a wealthy person from anywhere.

Yeah. If the wealthy person from this city, if like tomorrow in Austin, somebody started driving around in like. Superpowered like jet car and then had like a submarine that was themed after them and then had like a, a sky fly thing that was themed after them. Nobody would guess. They’d immediately be like, that’s obviously Elon.

Like, [00:46:00] so like maybe it’s one of five people that’s like, we know who that is. Oh my god. I do want to do the, that that is the only real lore I can think of, and I’d love if somebody wrote that as a lore.

Simone Collins: Oh, like it’s this open secret. Everybody knows

Malcolm Collins: all

Simone Collins: the real, someone called Bruce, I mean Batman

Malcolm Collins: and the No.

And so the reason that the villains don’t do anything about it Uhhuh because, batman’s, the reason they keep putting, being put in asylum that they can easily break out of instead of a real prison. Oh. Because they’re like, if the police caught us, we’d go to prison. But because it’s always, you know, a, a, a Batman,

why do they go

Simone Collins: to an asylum when Batman catches ‘em?

Malcolm Collins: Well, what, what? What we would make the lore of this is the reason he takes him to an asylum instead of a prison is that because they were caught without, you know, proper police message and judicial message. Oh, basically by a crazy person. So none of the evidence is admissible. So he’s tampering

Simone Collins: with, so yeah, basically it’s, it’s evidence tampering.

Therefore, nothing is admissible in court, [00:47:00] and so they.

Malcolm Collins: And so that’s why they collude to have the whole illusion of the Batman. Oh yeah. Because, yeah, I guess,

Simone Collins: yeah. Criminals would prefer non-lethal vigilante justice because they would tamper with evidence, make everything not admissible. Yeah. No one is subject to the Miranda Rights.

Right. Oh my. I like, I like this. I like this. The,

Speaker 32: You wanna know why I don’t have a coterie of supervillains?

Speaker 31: Why?

Speaker 32: My coterie is six feet under!

Speaker 33: Batman doesn’t kill

Speaker 32: people.

Speaker 31: Because he’s a pussy!

Speaker 33: He’s a dark creature of the night! He’s a jackass! Who wrestles with murderers dressed like clowns and throws them in prison So they can break out of prison and then murder more people real me this how many people you think that man’s indirectly murdered by?

Being too much of a candy not to kill these fools who clearly need to be smoked Once and for all you wrinkly sharp haired looking dimension fested ,

Simone Collins: oh, that’s

Malcolm Collins: why, because you’ve seen it in, in other things. Like the Joker will like kill people for trying to release Batman’s secret or trying to unmask him and stuff. And you just explain it. Was this like this? Oh, wait, the

Simone Collins: Joker has done that in, in Canon?

Malcolm Collins: Yeah. In one, one. He [00:48:00] like makes him go crazy and another Yeah. Yeah. He does that. Yeah,

Simone Collins: he does. Shut up. Don’t ruin. We have a good thing going.

Malcolm Collins: Oh, it’s.

Oh no, but

it’d be great if, if, and then you even get an explanation from Joker like that. That’s why he does the whole joker persona. Like if you did the stuff he did and you weren’t dressed like a clown, he’d be freaking arrested.

Right? Like they do have a meeting of all the super villains and it’s just like they, they, they put on these acts so they get keep going to asylums. Oh

Simone Collins: yeah. I see the insanity defense. That makes perfect sense.

Malcolm Collins: What one person said. In our comments, and I loved it, and I wanna do it, is if I have free time, like if I can get this site really solid mm-hmm.

Before I move to the autonomous features to make, because I was like, I could put together an app like that one that they have. The site is our FB by the way, our, our chat bot ai site that I could put together a. And what was it, a, a version of that game, but make it like right wing and make it all about like Amelia or maybe even like remake the game from like [00:49:00] Amelia’s perspective and about like how to subvert the British government or something.

I think that that would go viral. I think people would like that.

Simone Collins: Yeah. And that came from one of our Brazilian listeners. You know who you are.

We filmed this episode a while ago and a number of people have since already done this, so go check out those games if you want to. , You can see I just clearly get ahead of myself with the projects I want to take on. Even just for the lulls, I need to step back and focus on our fab AI and make sure it’s working perfectly, which I think it’s close to right now.

And then I can have fun with other things after I have the autonomous AI agents running.

Speaker 6: While they were out campaigning, a police officer approached Charlie, had not thought to question what disadvantaged groups they were fighting for.

Amelia was fighting for the rights of the oppressed British people and for political prisoners who just like Charlie had been locked up for simply voicing their opinions online. The police officer, which were now simply known as Storm Troopers, told them they were under arrest. Amelia [00:50:00] suddenly pulled out a pistol, which was very illegal in Britain due to the government disarming the populace and began shooting at the Storm Trooper while shouting, die.

You Comey Pig. Oh dear. Thought Charlie. The revolution had begun.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah. So I was like, yeah, we’re gonna put that together. The other one I thought was funny is somebody was like, what? What are these weird religious beliefs you have?

I’m like, my gosh, you don’t know. They’re like, have you put these public anywhere? It’s like, go, go burton do com. Don’t tell him guys, don’t tell him to the don’t tell Hims. Search our YouTube videos by Malcolm and Simone’s religious beliefs playlist. And you’ll get, you’ll go down such a deep rabbit hole.

It will scramble your brains.

Speaker 8: Oh no,

you took out Titan, buddy. I know out.

You’re gonna take out the. [00:51:00] Yeah. Ah, I think I died. Oh, no. Is this a stimulation of what it feels like to be Dad?

Oh, my freaking face. I mean to audience, Octavian, the audience is fighting back. They subscribed.

Oh no. Like OC Punch

you, like and subscribe. Oh.

Speaker 7: Audience, no

join.[00:52:00]

Speaker 8: Okay. You gotta get a like and subscribe. Can we get a and subscribe?

Oh, oh, oh. They powered me up. I have a sword to fight back now.

Speaker 7: Hey. Hey, look behind you with your fish on batter. Oh, where

I,

Speaker 8: oh, I think somebody liked to subscribed. Okay, like and subscribe. What’s behind Eagle? Oh, who’s behind me? Oh, God.[00:53:00]

Speaker 7: Are flying. Ah,

behind you. Look behind you. There’s a flying frog behind Flying Frog.

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