Surrogacy: separating genetic, birth, social mothers

Katie explains how surrogacy splits genetic, birth, and social motherhood and why that separation may harm children.

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In this episode of The Winston Marshall Show, I sit down with children’s rights activist and author Katie Faust to explore one of the most contentious debates of our time: what do children actually need to thrive?

Faust argues that modern conversations around family, marriage, and reproduction have become overwhelmingly focused on adult desires while the rights and wellbeing of children are increasingly ignored. Drawing on years of work with families and young people, she makes the case that children are uniquely shaped by their biological mother and father, and that removing either comes with real, measurable consequences.

We examine the impact of divorce, fatherlessness, and non-traditional family structures, including same-sex parenting, surrogacy, and sperm and egg donation. Faust outlines her “children’s rights” framework, arguing that identity, safety, and stability are deeply connected to biological parenthood and that modern family law has flattened those distinctions.

The conversation also tackles the ethics of IVF and surrogacy, including the commodification of reproduction, the separation of biological and birth parents, and the long-term psychological effects on children. We debate whether the desire for more births in a time of demographic decline justifies these technologies, or whether they risk creating new harms.

Finally, Faust shares her personal journey from growing up in an unconventional family to becoming a leading voice in this space and explains why she believes society must re-centre the child in every discussion about family.

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Chapters

00:00 Introduction

02:59 Upbringing With Divorced Parents & Mother’s Same-Sex Relationship

05:37 Why She Opposes Gay Marriage

08:24 Children’s Rights: Identity, Safety & Biological Parents

12:25 The “Cinderella Effect” & Risks of Non-Biological Households

15:30 Policy, Divorce Laws & Incentivising Family Breakdown

18:45 “Modern Family” vs Biological Parenthood Debate

22:22 Why She Rejects Same-Sex Parenting (Child-Centred Argument)

27:41 Debate: Do Children Need a Mother and Father?

30:40 Population Crisis vs “Children’s Rights First”