How do we move from AI hype to real, useful change at work?
In this episode, Jason sits down with Johannes Sundlo, HR practitioner, speaker, and creator of FullStack HR, to unpack what “practical AI” really means for the future of work. A former HR leader at Spotify, Johannes shares how small, low-risk experiments can create big impact — and why curiosity is the most underrated skill for navigating constant change. From reskilling and automation to leading with experimentation, this episode offers a playbook for turning AI anxiety into action.
Guest:
Johannes Sundlo is a consultant and practitioner focused on making AI adoption real and sustainable. He helps executives, managers, HR leaders, and teams go beyond pilot projects by embedding governance, culture, and measurable adoption into change programs, workshops, and keynotes. Over the past 15+ years, Johannes has worked in HR leadership and transformation roles across retail, finance, and tech — including Spotify — giving him firsthand insight into how technology reshapes work, leadership, and skills. He’s supported 150+ organizations globally and speaks both English and Swedish.
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(0:00) Introduction
(0:39) Johannes Sundlo's Background in HR and AI
(2:19) Spotify Experience and Digital Mindset
(3:54) Transition to Consulting and Digital Writing
(6:47) Using ChatGPT in HR
(9:39) Experimentation and Failure in HR
(12:54) AI Adoption and Challenges in Europe
(17:02) Navigating AI Regulations and Starting with AI
(21:57) Personal Growth and Career Aspirations
(24:48) Future Trends in HR and AI
(26:24) Workforce Dynamics and Vendor Challenges
(29:45) Human Roles in an AI-Integrated Workforce
(31:44) Leadership in the Age of Technological Change
(32:57) Closing remarks
