Experimenting Across Markets and NFTs

Ryan Bunn is the lead portfolio manager at Reference Equity in Denver, a Northwestern-trained engineer and Kellogg MBA with 15+ years of global equity experience who implements a first-principles quality-value philosophy focused on businesses in non-competitive situations.

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3:00 — Ryan’s Midwestern upbringing outside Cincinnati; mother taught him investing in elementary school; family of savers focused on dividend yields and long-term wealth building.

5:00 — 30-year investing evolution: private equity consulting training revealed wide range of business quality; reading Graham and Buffett cemented value conviction; experimented with options, angel investing in India, due diligence in Moscow, NFTs.

7:00 — The NFT experiment: bought digital art in summer 2021, sold for 25x return in six weeks, watched it crash 95%+. Lesson: “It showed me that I’m not a growth investor… it was so stressful even as prices were going up.”

9:00 — First principles of quality investing: competition is capitalism’s first principle; sustainable high returns require non-competitive scenarios. Challenges the broad definition of “quality” in today’s market.

13:00 — Philip Carret’s legacy: founded Pioneer Fund in 1928, compounded ~13% annually over 60 years, wrote The Art of Speculation in 1930. Met Buffett in early 1950s — before Munger. Framework of “men, materials, and money” underlies all fundamental investing today.

19:00 — Intellectual heritage: ideas passed between generations compound like capital. Carret appeared at the 1995 Berkshire meeting at age 99.

22:00 — Generational wealth: someone must be the first generation to save and sacrifice. Modern retirement planning models spending to zero — the opposite of wealth transfer.

27:00 — Capital vs. currency: truly long-term investing requires a pool of capital you never touch. Focus on yield, not the capital base itself. Bogumil shares his “forgotten money” account untouched for 20+ years.

33:00 — Collecting mindset: Berkshire shareholders collect shares, not dollars. Reframing investing as collecting removes short-term anxiety.

44:00 — Why value investing works structurally: cheaper stocks get more powerful buybacks; low multiples protect against destructive M&A; boring companies let management focus on operations, not investor relations.

55:00 — Global small caps: 5,000+ stocks, ~150 meet Ryan’s non-competitive filter, 3-5 per year reach attractive valuations. International investing rewards those who understand what US-quality governance looks like.

1:01:00 — Reference equity concept: European “reference shareholder” families as long-term partners to businesses. Ryan’s mission to bring this model to US public markets.

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