The World Unpacked
Carnegie Endowment for International Peace
The World Unpacked is a weekly podcast where insiders, intellectuals, and iconoclasts dive deep into the most pressing global issues. In a time of violent convulsions and heady new possibilities, host Jon Bateman mixes it up with the thinkers making sense of what’s happening and the power brokers building what comes next. Tune in for lively, free-wheeling conversations with some of the world’s most interesting and informed people.
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Oct 3, 2019 • 21min
Indonesia's Youth Are Trying to Save the Country
Tens of thousands of Indonesians took to the streets last week to protest a series of controversial moves undertaken by President Jokowi and his government. While Indonesians are no stranger to protests, these demonstrations come less than five months after Jokowi was re-elected with 55% of the vote. Jen talks to Dan Slater about why voters have turned against a seemingly popular, democratically-elected leader.
Sep 26, 2019 • 33min
How UNGA Happens
The United Nations General Assembly has gathered world leaders since 1945. But while presidents and prime ministers stage dramatic speeches in the hall, much of the real diplomatic work takes place on the sidelines. How does UNGA really work? What thorny issues are diplomats tackling this week? And what will we remember from this year's meeting? Jen talks to Carnegie expert Salman Ahmed, who has almost twenty years of experience at the UN.
Sep 19, 2019 • 26min
How the Hong Kong Protests Look from Beijing
Hong Kong has been in turmoil for months, as residents in their millions continue to take to the streets. What started as a protest against an extradition bill has grown into a full blown movement for democracy. As the protests have grown, the central government has deployed disinformation strategies to shape public perception of what's happening on the ground, and has accused the United States of fomenting the unrest. How have the protests changed since they started this summer? How has the Chinese government's response evolved? And how do ordinary people in Beijing think about the protests? Jen talks to Steven Lee Myers of the New York Times, who has been reporting from the ground in both Hong Kong and Beijing, about what might change Beijing's calculations in the future.
Sep 12, 2019 • 27min
The Fight Over Kashmir
Kashmir has been contested land since the partition of India and Pakistan in 1947. It has been a flashpoint for political tension and the site of multiple wars. But last month, the Indian government made a bold move, changing the Indian constitution and revoking the special status of Indian-occupied Kashmir – which was also India’s only Muslim-majority state. At the same time, they shut down telecommunications, arrested political leadership, and moved in thousands of additional troops. What does all of this mean for Kashmiris? And will we see another armed conflict between India and Pakistan? Jen talks to Paul Staniland about where the conflict came from, and where it might go next.
Sep 5, 2019 • 27min
Making Peace with the Taliban
On Monday, U.S. negotiators signaled that they had nearly finalized a long-sought agreement that is a step toward ending the American conflict with the Taliban. What does the deal contain? And does it really mean that the war in Afghanistan is over? Jen talks to Jarrett Blanc and Frances Brown about the long peace process ahead.
Read: Jarrett's Washington Post oped, "We Need to take the Best Deal We Can Get in Afghanistan"
Aug 15, 2019 • 30sec
Summer Break
Like most of DC, we're going to take a few weeks off this August. We'll be back in September with more episodes. If there's a topic in foreign policy you'd like us to unpack, tweet @CarnegieEndow with #WorldUnpacked.
Aug 8, 2019 • 25min
Moscow Takes to the Streets
Tens of thousands of demonstrators have taken to the streets to protest the ban on opposition candidates in the upcoming Moscow city council elections. More than two thousand people have been arrested since the protests started, and opposition leaders, including Alexei Navalny, have been detained. What do these protestors want? And what might they mean for Putin’s political future?
Jen talks to Carnegie Moscow Center expert Alexander Gabuev about what's motivating the demonstrators, and why the government has cracked down so forcefully.
Aug 6, 2019 • 39min
Fighting White Supremacist Terrorism (Reposted)
In light of the horrifying shootings this weekend in the United States, and the ongoing conversation about the role of white supremacist ideology in at least one of these attacks, we’re re-sharing Jen’s recent conversation with terrorism and law enforcement expert Lisa Monaco from earlier this summer. Jen and Lisa talked about how law enforcement has approached the problem of white supremacist violence, what she learned from the experience of fighting Islamic extremists online, and the role of social media companies.
Aug 1, 2019 • 41min
Arms Control Meets Politics
In the darkest days of the Cold War, the United States and Soviet Union created, together, a way to control nuclear weapons. As the President Trump withdraws from the hallmark INF treaty and other agreements teeter on the brink, that system is on life support. How did we get here? Jen Psaki talks to Pranay Vaddi and Connor O'Brien about how to save arms control.
Jul 25, 2019 • 31min
Iran's Cyber War
While the loud, public conflict between the United States and Iran rages on, a secret war has been waged in the shadows for years. How dangerous is the cyberwar between the two countries? And how has the digital battlefield changed? Jen Psaki talks to Jon Bateman about the tools and strategies of both countries have developed, and what an all-out cyberwar would look like.


