

The Co-Living Show
Craig Curelop and Miller McSwain
Co-living is one of the most misunderstood, and highest-potential, strategies in residential real estate investing. Most investors hear the buzzwords, see the cash-flow claims, and immediately assume it’s either too risky, too operationally intense, or too complicated to scale. The truth is simpler: coliving work exceptionally well when built on systems, governed by operational clarity, and executed like a real business, not a side hustle. The Co-Living Show exists to make that clarity accessible for serious professionals who want smarter returns without gambling on guesswork.Hosted by BiggerPockets authors Craig Curelop and Miller McSwain, The Co-Living Show goes far beyond surface-level real estate content. This is the only real estate investing podcast dedicated exclusively to the economics, operations, regulations, and strategic frameworks that drive high-density co-living and shared housing at scale. Whether you’re new to the model or a high-earning, time-poor professional seeking exposure to a sophisticated cash-flow real estate strategy without becoming an operator, this show delivers the confidence, understanding, and insight needed to invest intelligently.Each episode takes you inside the real-world systems behind co-living performance. You’ll hear from operators running multi-market portfolios, attorneys specializing in zoning and compliance, designers who understand space optimization and profitability, lenders financing room-by-room rental strategies, and property managers and city officials shaping the future of affordable housing innovation. You’ll also hear from the Co-Living Cash Flow Community, everyday investors solving operational challenges and executing the exact frameworks discussed on the show. 👉 Join the community: www.millermcswain.com/communityThere is no fluff here. No hype. No motivational noise. Every conversation is grounded in data, regulatory insight, operational logic, and investor-level clarity. Co-living is not “passive income.” It’s not a shortcut. It’s a system. And systems — when executed correctly — produce scalable, predictable returns that outperform traditional rental models. This is not speculative theory. It’s cash-flow real estate strategy in action.Craig brings acquisitions, underwriting, and market strategy. Miller brings operations, pricing systems, and standardization frameworks that make coliving scalable. Together, they deliver an operator’s perspective of an asset class most investors only see from the outside. As BiggerPockets authors, educators, and practitioners, they simplify complexity without diluting truth: coliving works, but only when done correctly.You’ll hear underwriting breakdowns, operator case studies, deal teardowns, regulatory realities, tenant strategy, market analysis, and the economic logic behind high-density residential investing. You’ll learn how to invest passively, partner with experienced operators, or simply understand the business model in depth, even if you never plan to manage a property yourself.The Co-Living Show does not claim co-living works. It proves when, why, and under what conditions it works.If you want confidence instead of conjecture, systems instead of speculation, and clarity instead of chaos, this is your source of truth for professional-grade residential real estate investing.Subscribe and join thousands of investors building deeper understanding, stronger portfolios, and smarter strategies, without wasting time on noise.This is the future of residential real estate investing. And now you’ll finally understand how it works.
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Oct 6, 2021 • 40min
Episode 54 - Leverage Your Business To Level Up Your Real Estate Game With Mike Brockway
Mike Brockway found himself on the path to FI after buying and house hacking his first property. Because he wanted to stop working for big corporations, he quit his W-2 the same day he closed his second property. Now, he is a full-time real estate investor and business owner.In this episode, Mike breaks down his first three residential investment properties and his events business. He also talks about his brief stint with “Top Chef: Colorado”, how he saved up on taxes, and the opportunities his business has opened up for him.

Sep 29, 2021 • 1h 3min
Episode 53 - E-commerce Your Way To FI With Connor Gross
Today, we’re taking a slightly different route to FI, and lighting the way is serial entrepreneur Connor Gross. Instead of flipping houses, he flips online businesses! He co-founded the Cardly wallet when he was a college freshman. Now, he works full-time on what used to be just side hustles, and he is the co-host of The Next Generation Podcast.In this episode, Connor weighs in on the two paths of e-commerce: reselling products and creating new products. He goes through the process of starting an online store, sharing some of his strategies for pricing, social responsibility, branding, and platforms like Shopify and Amazon.So if you’re looking to start a side hustle, this is the episode for you!

Sep 23, 2021 • 59min
Episode 52 - Start Young And Go BRRRR With Cody Caswell
Cody Caswell is from a third-generation real estate investing family, and he bought his first property at 16(!) years old. He hated real estate during his college years but found his way back after interning as a commercial insurance broker. Now, he is 24 years old with a residential contractor license and 14 units under his belt.In this episode, Cody walks us through his childhood and the life lessons that he learned from his dad. He breaks down the numbers for his true “for real” deal and his strategy for BRRRRs. He also offers advice for people who want to replicate his success.Strap in for insight from an investor who started young and did things right!

Sep 15, 2021 • 58min
Episode 51 - Navigating Commercial Real Estate And Funding With Paul Moore
Paul Moore of BiggerPockets joins Craig and Zeona in today’s show to talk about his real estate journey. After a 5-year stint at Ford Motor Company, he became a serial entrepreneur and then a commercial real estate developer. Now, he is a managing partner at Wellings Capital, a podcast host, and an author.Paul goes a little bit into his books “The Perfect Investor” and “Storing Up Profits” as he explains why he jumped from residential to commercial real estate investing. He weighs in on the pandemic, triple net leases, and even offers marriage advice. Tune in until the very end for an interesting story on how he gave(!) his way out of a $2.5-million debt.

Sep 8, 2021 • 56min
Episode 50 - Starting A Wholesaling Business And Synergizing Your Life With Paul Thompson
In 2015, Paul Thompson realized that he needed income-generating assets so he decided to try properties. He got laid off from his job in 2017, but now, he has 50 single-family units and is transforming people’s lives through real estate and business ownership.In this episode, Paul looks back on his foray into real estate, breaks down his very first deal, and shares the steps he took to build his wholesaling business. He includes anecdotes to illustrate how much work it takes to invest in properties, offering advice for people who are looking into the rental strategy.

Sep 1, 2021 • 50min
Episode 49 - Brand New To FI And Accidental House Hacking With Garrett Terrell
Garrett Terrell is an agent at eXp Realty who became a broker in 2018, learned the ropes, and got good at selling residential real estate. At the end of 2019, he started getting into rentals and flips. Now, he has 8 units under his belt, and he has just recently discovered BiggerPockets!In this episode, Garrett talks about his “backwards house hacking” journey and breaks down the numbers for his first two homes. He shares some tips and lessons he has learned from renting out and remodeling properties. Tune in until the very end because we also weigh in on different perspectives regarding FI and on buying and holding property!

Aug 25, 2021 • 52min
Episode 48 - Retire Already Jeff White! 5x House Hacker & FI Team Agent Works B’c He Enjoys It!
After first learning about house hacking in the fall of 2016, Jeff White closed a 4-unit property in August 2017 and got to work. Now, he has 5 house hacks and is a member of the FI Team—all while holding down his W-2 job!In this episode, Jeff walks us through his bumpy start, how he dealt with tenants who were on a tourist visa, and his transition from multifamily to single-family homes. If you’re an aspiring house hacker, stick around because he shares tips and presents the advantages of not quitting your day job too early.

Aug 18, 2021 • 1h 5min
Episode 47 - Advanced Investing Techniques Right Off The Bat With Jonathan Hayek
Jonathan Hayek worked low-paying W-2 jobs for nearly a decade before getting into real estate investing. He househacked his first live-in flip, saw success, and closed 22 rental doors within 4 years(!) through luck, creativity, and hard work. He quit his teaching job in 2019 and has been doing real estate full-time since then.In this episode, Jonathan dives into the details of his first deal, the strategies he used to finance it, and the challenges that he struggled with. He shares what the market is like in Cheyenne, Wyoming as he talks about his next few properties. Tune in until the very end because he has a lot of gold nuggets on investing in real estate.

Aug 11, 2021 • 1h 1min
Episode 46 - Mic Drop Bootstrappin’ From Food Stamps To FI With Todd Baldwin
Necessity drove Todd Baldwin to get a job at the age of 12. He started his first business at 15, learned about real estate while he was in high school, and then bought his first house at 23. Two years later, he became a millionaire. How? He maximized the rent-by-the-room strategy!In this episode, Todd walks us through all that he has been able to achieve thanks to his do-or-die attitude. He goes into detail about his “for real” deal and some of his other properties, presenting the advantages and disadvantages of renting by the room.If you’re new to real estate investing and you’re looking to build wealth fast, this is the episode for you!

Aug 4, 2021 • 55min
Episode 45 - House Hacking With Section 8 Success With Avery Heilbron
Avery Heilbron is a data analyst for a life insurance company whose journey to FI began after a serendipitous purchase in a bookstore. He started house hacking in Boston, Massachusetts—which is an expensive market—and saw success. Now, he has a Youtube channel and does coaching on the side.In this episode, Avery shares the action steps he took for his first few properties and the lessons he learned after a negative experience with contractors. He dives deep into Section 8 and landlord-tenant laws, addressing some concerns that people have.There are advantages to investing in expensive markets. Listen and learn because you, too, can achieve a lot by taking advantage of what is available to you.


