CISO Tradecraft®

G Mark Hardy & Ross Young
undefined
Oct 3, 2022 • 33min

#98 - Outrunning the Bear

Hello, and welcome to another episode of CISO Tradecraft -- the podcast that provides you with the information, knowledge, and wisdom to be a more effective cybersecurity leader.  My name is G. Mark Hardy, and today we are going to discuss how nation state conflict and sponsored cyberattacks can affect us as non-combatants, and what we should be doing about it.  Even if you don't have operations in a war zone, remember cyber has a global reach, so don't think that just because you may be half a world away from the battlefield that someone is not going to reach out and touch you in a bad way.  So, listen for what I think will be a fascinating episode, and please do us a small favor and give us a "like" or a 5-star review on your favorite podcast platform -- those ratings really help us reach our peers.  It only takes a click -- thank you for helping out our security leadership community. I'm not going to get into any geopolitics here; I'm going to try to ensure that this episode remains useful for quite some time.  However, since the conflict in Ukraine has been ongoing for over two hundred days, I will draw examples from that. The ancient Chinese military strategist Sun Tzu wrote: “If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles.  If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat.  If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle.” That's a little more detailed than the classic Greek aphorism, "know thyself," but the intent is the same even today.  Let me add one more quote and we'll get into the material.  Over 20 years ago, when he was Secretary of Defense, Donald Rumsfeld said: "As we know, there are known knowns; there are things we know we know.  We also know there are known unknowns; that is to say we know there are some things we do not know.  But there are also unknown unknowns—the ones we don't know we don't know.  And if one looks throughout the history of our country and other free countries, it is the latter category that tends to be the difficult ones. So, knowledge seems extremely important throughout the ages.  Modern governments know that, and as a result all have their own intelligence agencies.  Let's look at an example.  If we go to the CIA's website, we will see the fourfold mission of the Central Intelligence Agency: Collecting foreign intelligence that matters Producing objective all-source analysis Conducting effective covert action as directed by the President Safeguarding the secrets that help keep our nation safe. Why do we mention this?  Most governments around the world have similar Nation State objectives and mission statements.  Additionally, it’s particularly important to understand what is wanted by "state actors" (note, I'll use that term for government and contract intelligence agents.). What are typical goals for State Actors?  Let's look at a couple: Goal 1: Steal targeting data to enable future operations.  Data such as cell phone records, banking statements or emails allow countries to better target individuals and companies when they know that identifying information.  Additionally, targeting data allows Nation state organizations to understand how individuals are connected.  This can be key when we are looking for key influencers for targets of interest.  All targeting data should not be considered equal.  Generally, Banking and Telecom Data are considered the best for collecting so be mindful if that is the type of company that you protect.  State Actors target these organizations because of two factors:The Importance of the Data is the first factor.  If one party sends a second party an email, that means there is a basic level
undefined
Sep 26, 2022 • 44min

#97 - Mobile Application Security (with Brian Reed)

Special Thanks to our podcast sponsor, NowSecure.  On this episode, Brian Reed (Chief Mobility Officer at NowSecure) stops in to provide a world class education on Mobile Application Security.  It's incredible to think that 70% of internet traffic is coming over mobile devices.  Most of this traffic occurs via mobile applications so we need to understand mobile application security testing, before attackers show us how important it is. This episode will help you understand: What should you be doing to secure your mobile applications? Why managing a mobile device doesn't secure your application layer? How should you vet your mobile applications according to recommendations from OWASP References: NowSecure Academy provides free mobile application security training and certificate programs- https://academy.nowsecure.com/  Mobile app growth trends and security issues in the news-  https://www.nowsecure.com/mobile-app-breach-news/  Snapshot of the current risk profile for mobile apps in your industry- https://mobilerisktracker.nowsecure.com/ App Defense Alliance https://appdefensealliance.dev/  Google Play Data Safety- https://blog.google/products/google-play/data-safety/   OWASP CycloneDX- https://owasp.org/www-project-cyclonedx/  OWASP MASVS- https://github.com/OWASP/owasp-masvs 
undefined
Sep 19, 2022 • 31min

#96 - The 9 Cs of Cyber

Ahoy! and welcome to another episode of CISO Tradecraft -- the podcast that provides you with the information, knowledge, and wisdom to be a more effective cyber security leader.  My name is G. Mark Hardy, and today we’re going to -- talk like a pirate.  ARRR As always, please follow us on LinkedIn, and make sure you subscribe so you can always get the latest updates. On today’s episode we are going to talk about the 9 Cs of Cyber Security.  Note these are not the 9 Seas that you might find today, the 19th of September, which happens to be the 20th annual International Talk like a Pirate Day.  They are the nine words that begin with the letter C (but not the letter ARRR): Controls, Compliance, Continuity, Coverage, Complexity, Competency, Communication, Convenience, Consistency. Please note that this talk is inspired by an article by Mark Wojtasiak from Vectra, but we have modified the content to be more aligned with our thoughts at CISO Tradecraft. Now before we go into the 9 Cs, it’s important to understand that the 9 Cs represent three equal groups of three.  Be sure to look at the show notes which will link to our CISO Tradecraft website that shows a 9-box picture which should make this easier to understand.  But if you're listening, imagine a three-by-three grid where each row corresponds to a different stakeholder.  Each stakeholder is going to be concerned with different things, and by identifying three important priorities for each, we have our grid.  Make sense?  Okay, let's dig in. The first row in our grid is the focus of Executive Leaders. First, this group of executives such as the CEO, CIO, and CISO ensure that the IT controls and objectives are working as desired.  Next, these executives want attestations and audits to ensure that compliance is being achieved and the organization is not just paying lip service to those requirements.  Thirdly, they also want business continuity.  IT systems must be constantly available despite attacks from ransomware, hardware failures, and power outages. The second row in our grid is the focus of Software Development shops. This group consists of Architects, Developers, Engineers, and Administrators.  First, they need to ensure they understand the Coverage of their IT systems in asset inventories -- can we account for all hardware and software.  Next, developers should be concerned with how Complexity in their environment can reduce security, as these tend to work at cross-purposes.  Lastly, developers care about Competency of their teams to build software correctly; that competency is a key predictor of the end quality of what is ultimately produced. The third and final row in our grid is the focus of Security Operations Centers. This group consists of Incident Handlers and Responders, Threat Intelligence Teams, and Business Information System Officers commonly known as BISOs.  They need to provide clear communication that informs others what they need to do, they need processes and tools that enable convenience so as to reduce friction.  Finally, they need to be consistent.  No one wants a fire department that only shows up 25% of the time. So now that we have a high-level overview of the 9 C’s let’s start going into detail on each one of them.  We'll start with the focus of executive leaders.  Again, that is controls, compliance, and continuity. Controls- According to James Hall's book on Accounting Information Systems[i], General Computer Controls are "specific activities performed by per
undefined
Sep 12, 2022 • 46min

#95 - Got any Data Security (with Brian Vecci)

Special Thanks to our podcast Sponsor, Varonis.  Please check out Varonis's Webpage to learn more about their custom data security solutions and ransomware protection software.  On this episode Brian Vecci (Field CTO of Varonis) stops by CISO Tradecraft to discuss all things Data Security.  He highlights the top 3 things every CISO needs to balance with regards to data security (Productivity, Convenience, and Security).  He also discusses the most important security questions we need to understand: What is Data Security and how does it fit into Data Protection? How do we understand where our company’s data resides? How do we know if our data is exposed? How do we reduce the risk of data exposure without harming the business? Enjoy the show and please share it with others.  Also don't forget to follow the LinkedIn CISO Tradecraft Page to get more great content.  
undefined
Sep 5, 2022 • 23min

#94 - Easier, Better, Faster, & Cheaper Software

Hello, and welcome to another episode of CISO Tradecraft, the podcast that provides you with the information, knowledge, and wisdom to be a more effective cybersecurity leader.  My name is G. Mark Hardy, and today we're going to try to balance the impossible equation of better, faster, and cheaper.  As always, please follow us on LinkedIn, and subscribe if you have not already done so. Shigeo Shingo, who lived from 1909-1990, helped to improve efficiency at Toyota by teaching thousands of engineers the Toyota Production System, and even influenced the creation of Kaizen.  He wrote, "There are four purposes for improvement: easier, better, faster, cheaper. These four goals appear in order of priority." Satya Nadella, the CEO of Microsoft, stated that, “Every company is a software company.  You have to start thinking and operating like a digital company.  It’s no longer just about procuring one solution and deploying one solution… It’s really you yourself thinking of your own future as a digital company, building out what we refer to as systems of intelligence.” The first time I heard this I didn’t really fully understand it.  But after reflection it makes a ton of sense.  For example, let’s say your company couldn’t send email.  How much would that hurt the business?  What if your company couldn’t use Salesforce to look up customer information?  How might that impact future sales?  What if your core financial systems had database integrity issues?  Any of these examples would greatly impact most businesses.  So, getting high-quality software applications that enable the business is a huge win. If every company is a software or digital company, then the CISO has a rare opportunity.  That is, we can create one of the largest competitive advantages for our businesses. What if we could create an organization that builds software cheaper, faster, and better than all of our competitors? Sounds good right?  That is the focus of today’s show, and we are going to teach you how to excel in creating a world class organization through a focused program in Secure Software Development.  Now if you like the sound of better, faster, cheaper, as most executives do, you might be thinking, where can I buy that?  Let's start at the back and work our way forward. We can make our software development costs cheaper by increasing productivity from developers. We can make our software development practices faster by increasing convenience and reducing waste. We can make our software better by increasing security. Let’s first look at increasing productivity.  To increase productivity, we need to under    stand the Resistance Pyramid.  If you know how to change people and the culture within an organization, then you can significantly increase your productivity.  However, people and culture are difficult to change, and different people require different management approaches. At the bottom of the pyramid are people who are unknowing.  These individuals Don’t know what to do.  You can think of the interns in your company.  They just got to your company, but don't understand what practices and processes to follow.  If you want to change the interns, then you need to communicate what is best practice and what is expected from their performance.  Utilize an inquiry approach to decrease fear of not knowing, for example, "do you know to whom I should speak about such-and-such?" or "do you know how we do such-and-such here?"  An answer of "no" allows you to inform them of the missing knowledge in a conversational rather than a directional manner. The middle part of the pyramid is people who believe they are unable to adapt to change.  These are individuals that don’t know how to do the task at hand.  Here,
undefined
Aug 29, 2022 • 30min

#93 - How to Become a Cyber Security Expert

How do you become a Cyber Security Expert? Hello and welcome to another episode of CISO Tradecraft, the podcast that provides you with the information, knowledge, and wisdom to be a more effective cybersecurity leader.  My name is G. Mark Hardy, and today we're going to talk about how to provide advice and mentoring to help people understand how to become a cybersecurity expert.  As always, please follow us on LinkedIn, and subscribe to our podcasts. As a security leader, part of your role is to develop your people.  That may not be written anywhere in your job description and will probably never be on a formal interview or evaluation, but after years of being entrusted with leadership positions, I have learned what differentiates true leaders from those who just accomplish a great deal is the making of the effort to develop your people. Now, you may have heard the phrase, "take care of your people," but I'll take issue with that.  I take care of my dog.  I take care of a family member who is sick, injured, or incapacitated.  Why?  Because they are not capable of performing all of life's requirements on their own.  For the most part, your people can do this.  If you are constantly doing things for people who could have otherwise done it themselves, you run the risk of creating learned helplessness syndrome.  People, and even animals, can become conditioned to not do what they otherwise could do out of a belief that someone else will do it for them.  I am NOT going to get political here, so don't worry about that.  Rather, I want to point out that effective leaders develop their people so that they may become independent actors and eventually become effective leaders themselves.  In my opinion, you should measure your success by the promotion rate of the people entrusted to you, not by your own personal career advancement or financial success. That brings me to the subject of today's podcast -- how do you counsel and mentor others on how to become a cyber security expert?  If you are listening to this podcast, there's a very good chance that you already are an expert in our field, but if not, keep listening and imagine that you are mentoring yourself, because these lessons can apply to you without having seek out a mentor.  Some people figure it out, and when asked their secret, they're like Bill Murray in the movie Stripes, "We trained ourselves, sir!"  But most of the time, career mastery involves learning from a number of others. Today on CISO Tradecraft we are going to analyze the question, " How do you become a Cyber Security Expert?"  I'm going to address this topic as if I were addressing someone in search of an answer.  Don't tune out early because you feel you've already accomplished this.  Keep listening so you can get a sense of what more you could be doing for your direct reports and any proteges you may have. Let’s start at the beginning.  Imagine being a high school kid with absolutely zero work experience (other than maybe a paper route -- do kids still do that?)  You see someone that tells you they have a cool job where they get paid to ethically hack into computers.  Later on, you meet a second person that says they make really good money stopping bad actors from breaking into banks.  Somehow these ideas stick into your brain, and you start to say to yourself, you know both of those jobs sound pretty cool.  You begin to see yourself having a career in Cyber Security.  You definitely prefer it to jobs that require a lot of manual labor and start at a low pay.  So, you start thinking, "how I can gain the skills necessary to land a dream job in cyber security that also pays well?" At CISO Tradecraft we believe that there are really four building blocks that create subject matter experts in most jobs.  The four building blocks are:
undefined
Aug 22, 2022 • 26min

#92 - Updating the Executive Leadership Team on Cyber

Show Notes Hello, and welcome to another episode of CISO Tradecraft -- the podcast that provides you with the information, knowledge, and wisdom to be a more effective cyber security leader.  My name is G. Mark Hardy, and today we're going to offer tips and tools for briefing your executive leadership team, including the four major topics that you need to cover.  As always, please follow us on LinkedIn, and make sure you subscribe so you can always get the latest updates. Imagine you have been in your role as the Chief Information Security Officer for a while and it is now time to perform your annual brief to the Executive Leadership Team.  What should you talk about?  How do you give high level strategic presentations in a way that provides value to executives like the CEO, the CIO, the CFO, and the Chief Legal Officer? Story about Kim Jones at Vantiv – things have changed Let's first talk about how you make someone satisfied -- in this case your executives. Fredrick Herzberg (1923-2000) introduced Motivator-Hygiene theory, which was somewhat like Maslow's hierarchy of needs, but focused more on work, not life in general. What a hygiene factor basically means is people will be dissatisfied if something is NOT there but won't be motivated if that thing IS there, e.g., toilet paper in employee bathroom. Or, said more concisely, satisfaction and dissatisfaction are not opposites.  The opposite of Satisfaction is No Satisfaction.  The opposite of Dissatisfaction is No Dissatisfaction. According to Herzberg, the factors leading to job satisfaction are "separate and distinct from those that lead to job dissatisfaction." For example, if you have a hostile work environment, giving someone a promotion will not make him or her satisfied. So, what makes someone satisfied or dissatisfied? Factors for Satisfaction Achievement Recognition The work itself Responsibility Advancement Growth Factors for Dissatisfaction Company policies Supervision Relationship with supervisor and peers Work conditions Salary Status Security So, what will make a board member satisfied?  Today, cyber security IS a board-level concern.  In the past, IT really was only an issue if something didn't work right – a hygiene problem.  If we learn from Herzberg, we may not be able to make the board satisfied with the state of IT security, but we can try to ensure they are not dissatisfied.  Hopefully you now have context for what might otherwise be considered splitting hairs on terminology – essentially, we want our executive audience to not think negatively of your IT security program and how you lead it. Remember, boards of directors generally come from a non-IT backgrounds .  According to the 2021 U.S. Spencer Stuart Board Index, of the nearly 500 independent directors who joined S&P 500 boards in 2021, less than 4% have experience leading cybersecurity, IT, software engineering, or data analytics teams.  And that 4% is mostly confined to tech-centric companies or businesses facing regulatory scrutiny. So, there is essentially a mismatch between a board member's background and a CISO's background.  That extends to your choice of language and terminology as well.  Never go geeky with your executives – unless you have the rare situation where your entire leadership team are all IT savvy.  Otherwise, you will tune them out by talking about bits and bytes and packets and statistics. Instead, communicate by telling stories – show how other companies in similar industries have encountered security issues and what they did about them (either successfully or unsuccessfully).  Show how your cybersecurity initiatives and efforts reduce multiple forms of
undefined
Aug 15, 2022 • 32min

#91 - Hacker Summer Camp

On this episode you can hear the tale of three conferences.  Listen and learn about the history of BSides, Black Hat, and DEF CON.  Learn what makes these conferences special and enjoy some of the untold history of each conference.  
undefined
Aug 8, 2022 • 16min

#90 - A CISO’s Guide to Pentesting

A CISO’s Guide to Pentesting References https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penetration_test https://partner-security.withgoogle.com/docs/pentest_guidelines#assessment-methodology https://owasp.org/www-project-web-security-testing-guide/latest/3-The_OWASP_Testing_Framework/1-Penetration_Testing_Methodologies https://www.pcisecuritystandards.org/documents/Penetration_Testing_Guidance_March_2015.pdf  https://pentest-standard.readthedocs.io/en/latest/ https://www.isecom.org/OSSTMM.3.pdf https://s2.security/the-mage-platform/ https://bishopfox.com/platform https://www.pentera.io/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g3yROAs-oAc    **************************** Hello, and welcome to another episode of CISO Tradecraft -- the podcast that provides you with the information, knowledge, and wisdom to be a more effective cyber security leader.  My name is G. Mark Hardy, and today we're going to explore a number of things a CISO needs to know about pentesting.  As always, please follow us on LinkedIn, and make sure you subscribe so you can always get the latest updates.   Now to get a good understanding of pentesting we are going over the basics every CISO needs to understand.   What is it Where are good places to order it What should I look for in a penetration testing provider What does a penetration testing provider need to provide What’s changing on this going forward First of all, let's talk about what a pentest is NOT.  It is not a simple vulnerability scan.  That's something you can do yourself with any number of publicly available tools.  However, performing a vulnerability scan, and then acting on remediating what you find, is an important prerequisite for a pentest.  Why pay hundreds of dollars per hour for someone to point out what you can find yourself in your bunny slippers sipping a latte?   Now let’s start with providing a definition of a penetration test.  According to Wikipedia a penetration test or pentest is an authorized simulated cyber-attack on a computer system performed to evaluate the security of a system.  It’s really designed to show weaknesses in a system that can be exploited.  Let’s think of things we want to test.  It can be a website, an API, a mobile application, an endpoint, a firewall, etc.  There’s really a lot of things you can test, but the thing to remember is you have to prioritize what has the highest likelihood or largest impact to cause the company harm.  You need to focus on high likelihood and impact because professional penetration tests are not cheap.  Usually, they will usually cost between $10,000-$30,000 but if you have a complex system, it’s not unheard of to go up to $100,000.  As a CISO you need to be able to defend this expenditure of resources.  So, you will usually define a clear standard that our company will perform penetration tests on customer facing applications, PCI applications, and Financially Significan
undefined
Aug 1, 2022 • 46min

#89 - Connecting the Dots (with Sean Heritage)

I've been a fan of Sean Heritage for years when I first discovered his blog, "Connecting the Dots."  Today I have the privilege to listen to his thoughts on cybersecurity careers in both the military and the "real world," how to prioritize your life, what careers goals you should (and should NOT) aim for, and the importance of great leadership.   Book reference: Connecting the Dots:  Deliberate Observations and Leadership Musings About Everyday Life https://www.amazon.com/Connecting-Dots-Deliberate-Observations-Leadership/dp/1639373187?&_encoding=UTF8&tag=-0-0-20

The AI-powered Podcast Player

Save insights by tapping your headphones, chat with episodes, discover the best highlights - and more!
App store bannerPlay store banner
Get the app