

CISO Tradecraft®
G Mark Hardy & Ross Young
You are not years away from accomplishing your career goals, you are skills away. Learn the Tradecraft to Take Your Cybersecurity Skills to the Executive Level. © Copyright 2025, National Security Corporation. All Rights Reserved
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Feb 27, 2023 • 45min
#118 - Data Engineering (with Gal Shpantzer)
Our systems generate fantastic amounts of information, but do we have a complete understanding of how we collect, analyze, manage, store, and retrieve possibly petabytes a day? Gal Shpantzer has been doing InfoSec for over 20 years and has managed some huge data engineering projects, and offers a lot of actionable insights in this CISO Tradecraft episode.
Gal's LinkedIn Page - https://www.linkedin.com/in/riskmanagement/
Gal's Twitter Page - https://twitter.com/Shpantzer
Full Transcript - https://docs.google.com/document/d/14RXnsVttvKlRi6VL94BTrItCjOAjgGem/
Chapters
00:00 Introduction
02:00 How do you Architect Big Data Data Infrastructure
03:33 Are you taking a look at Ransomware?
06:11 Web Scale Technologies are used mostly in Marketing & Fraud Detection
08:11 Data Engineering - The Mindset Shift
10:51 The Iron Triangle of Data Engineering
13:55 Can I Outsource My Logging Pipeline to a Vendor
15:37 Kafka & Flink - Data Engineering in the Pipeline
18:12 Streaming Analytics & Kafka
22:08 How to Enable Data Science Analytics with Streaming Analytics
26:33 Streaming Analytics
30:25 Data Engineering - Is there a Security Log
32:30 Streaming Analytics is a Weird Thing
35:50 How to Get a Handle on a Big Data Pipeline
39:11 Data Engineering Hacks for Big Data Analytics

Feb 20, 2023 • 40min
#117 - Good Governance (with Sameer Sait)
Has bad governance given you trauma, boring committees, and long speeches on irrelevant issues? Today we are going to overcome that by talking about what good governance looks like. We bring on the former CISO of Amazon Whole Foods (Sameer Sait) to discuss his lessons learned as a CISO. We also highlight key topics of good governance found in the Cyber Security Profile from the Cyber Risk Institute.
Cyber Risk Institute - Cyber Security Profile https://cyberriskinstitute.org/the-profile/
Full Transcripts: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1vBM6A0utvhRFMA04wzrZvR8ktNwYo-li
Chapters
00:00 Introduction
03:10 Good Governances is a Good Thing, Right?
05:08 Cyber Strategy & Framework
06:43 Is NIST the Same as ISO?
08:40 How to Convince the Executive Leadership Team to Buy In
11:19 The CEO's Challenge is Taking Measured Risk
20:05 Is there a Cybersecurity Policy
22:32 Culture eats Policy for Lunch
24:14 The Role of the CISO
27:52 How do you Convince the Leadership Team that you need extra resources
29:51 How do you Measure Cybersecurity?
32:22 How do we communicate Risk Findings to Senior Management
36:07 Are you Aligning with the Audit Committee

Feb 13, 2023 • 44min
#116 - A European view of CISO responsibilities (with Michael Krausz)
In the US we often focus on SOC-2, NIST Special Pubs, and the Cybersecurity Framework. In Europe (and most of the rest of the world), ISO 27001 is the primary standard. ISO concerns itself with policy, practice, and proof, whereas NIST often shows the method to follow. Michael points out that a CISO is responsible for governance, (internal) consulting, and audit. In early stages of growing a security function, a CISO needs to be technically-focused, but as a security department matures, the CISO must be organizationally-focused. Also, to effectively grow your team, first determine what actions need to take place, how much effort it requires, and how often it needs to take place. Then, build an action sheet and collect data for three months. Finally, take that to your executives and document your requirements for more staff.
Michael Krausz LinkedIn Profile: https://www.linkedin.com/in/michael-krausz-b55862/
Michael Krausz Website: https://i-s-c.co.at/
Full Transcript: https://docs.google.com/document/d/13fghym7IWyPvuRANQXUvmv-ulkSj93xv
Chapters
00:00 Introduction
04:01 Is there a Gap Analysis in ISO 27001?
08:05 Is there a Requirement for ISO Standards?
10:57 What is ISO 27001?
13:11 Is there a Parallel Development between the US and EU?
16:57 Do you want to be a trooper?
21:17 What's the Oldest Operating System?
23:09 Is there a Legacy Operating Systems that you can't get away with?
24:11 The Most Important Class for a CISO
26:33 The Secrets of a Successful CISO
29:30 CISO - I need 6 people period
33:40 What's the Primary Skill Needed in a CISO?
37:41 How to Maximize the Number of FTEs

Feb 6, 2023 • 42min
#115 - The Business Case for a Global Lead of Field Cybersecurity (with Joye Purser)
How can cyber best help the sales organization? It's a great thought exercise that we bring on Joye Purser to discuss. Learn from her experience as we go over how cybersecurity is becoming an even closer business partner with the creation of a new important role.
Full Transcript: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Shd1Qldb8iKEHBgXJqFez81Iwfpl6JT-/
Chapters
00:00 Introduction
02:58 How did you marry those two cultures?
06:40 Building a Diverse Workforce
08:23 Is this a new role based on Pain Points?
10:27 Global Lead for Field Cyber Security
15:51 Is the Global Lead for Field Cybersecurity linked to sales numbers?
19:07 Is there a Global Lead for Field Cybersecurity?
24:46 Building Relationships in a Security Leadership Role
27:48 Do you have any lessons learned from your success at Global Management Consulting?
29:33 You need to schedule time to get things done
33:33 What about Due Diligence?
37:36 The Chief Technology Officer, CRO, & CTO

Jan 30, 2023 • 24min
#114 - One Vendor to Secure Them All
Did you ever wonder how much security you can implement with a single vendor? We did and were surprised by how much you can do using the Australian Top Eight as a template. We'll bet you can improve your security by using these tips, tools, and techniques that you might not have even known were there.
Special thanks to our sponsor Praetorian for supporting this episode.
https://www.praetorian.com/
Full Transcripts:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/12HsuOhY9an1QzIw9wOREPMX0pXe5hqkJ
Helpful Links
Essential 8 https://www.microsoft.com/en-au/business/topic/security/essential-eight
Blocking Macros https://ite8.com.au/the-essential-8/office-macros-explained/
Windows Defender Application Control or WDAC (available from Windows 10 or Server 2016 or newer) previously Windows had App Locker (Windows 7 / 8)
https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/mem/configmgr/protect/deploy-use/use-device-guard-with-configuration-manager
https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/security/threat-protection/windows-defender-application-control/windows-defender-application-control
Windows Group Policies
https://techexpert.tips/windows/gpo-block-website-url-google-chrome/
https://chromeenterprise.google/policies/#SafeBrowsingAllowlistDomains
https://data.iana.org/TLD/tlds-alpha-by-domain.txt
Software Restriction Policies http://woshub.com/how-to-block-viruses-and-ransomware-using-software-restriction-policies/
Blocking websites URL - only allow (.com, .org, .net, edu, .gov, .mil, and the countries you want).
Locking down Active Directory https://attack.stealthbits.com/tag/active-directory
File Service Resource Management
http://woshub.com/using-fsrm-on-windows-file-server-to-prevent-ransomware/
Enable MFA for RDP
https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/azure/active-directory-domain-services/secure-remote-vm-access
https://duo.com/docs/rdp
Enable MFA for SSH
https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/azure/active-directory/fundamentals/auth-ssh
https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/azure/active-directory/devices/howto-vm-sign-in-azure-ad-linux
Windows Controlled Folder Access
https://support.microsoft.com/en-

Jan 23, 2023 • 43min
#113 - SAST Security (with John Steven)
This episode provides a deep dive into Static Application Security Testing (SAST) tools. Learn how they work, why they don't work as well as you think they will in certain use cases, and find some novel ways apply them to your organization. Special thanks to John Steven for coming on the show to share his expertise.
Special thanks to our sponsor Praetorian for supporting this episode.
https://www.praetorian.com/
Full Transcripts - https://docs.google.com/document/d/1zoA70k78IjqyJky-2u7_-i2jlWke8_cb
Chapters:
00:00 Introduction
02:51 Source Code Analyzers
04:22 The three bears of Static Analysis
06:01 Do Linters work Better?
08:00 The Value of Full Programming Analysis Tools over Linters
11:30 The Impact of a Developer's Analysis on a Developer Environment
13:05 SAST Testing
15:47 OWASP Benchmarking
19:13 The First Static Analysis Tools
20:53 Can you break up that worry about Automated Testing?
22:44 Using Static Analysis for Defect Discovery
24:18 Using Static Analysis to Improve Web Security
31:37 Using Static Analysis to Drive Cloud Security
33:15 The Second Thing to Look Out for When Choosing a Static Analysis Tool
34:55 Using Static Analysis to Build a Vulnerability Management Practice
37:35 Can you use Static Analysis to Find Insider Threat?

Jan 17, 2023 • 42min
#112 - Attack Surface Management (with Richard Ford)
How do you defend against automated attacks in an era of ChatGPT-formulated malware, coordinated nation-state actors, and a host of disgruntled laid-off security professionals? Want to find your vulnerabilities faster than the bad actors do? Come listen to Richard Ford to learn how to apply best practices in attack surface management and defend your crown jewels.
Special thanks to our sponsor Praetorian for supporting this episode.
Full Transcripts - https://docs.google.com/document/d/18QyrN-7V91nxOyRQ0KsNeJU0-k-bTlqj
Chapters:
00:00 Introduction
04:22 The Impact of Continuous Attack Surface Mapping on Security Responses
07:48 What's the Difference between a CTO and a CIO?
10:24 What attracted you to the problem space?
12:53 Is the Attack Surface really exposed?
16:12 Shadow IT - The Unknown Unknowns that could Bite You
19:56 Is there a Shadow IT problem?
23:24 How to get management on board with Shadow IT?
26:38 Building an Attack Surface Management Program
29:57 You Get What You Measure, Right?
33:27 Do I Have Vulnerable Assets?
39:24 Attack Surface Management

Jan 9, 2023 • 45min
#111 - Leading with Style
Have you ever wanted to be like Neo in "The Matrix" and learn things like Kung Fu in just a few minutes? Well on today's episode, we try to do just that by cramming powerful leadership concepts into your head in just 45 minutes. So sit back, relax, and enjoy CISO Tradecraft.
Show Notes with Pictures & References:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1z5FwVwYlNiJlevQXP9IK48Z5kYqG-Ee_/edit?usp=sharing&ouid=104989998442085477687&rtpof=true&sd=true
Full Transcript:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/11iTdKRxtg1UYiQeUn-mdgM7zKqafTq34/edit?usp=sharing&ouid=104989998442085477687&rtpof=true&sd=true

Jan 2, 2023 • 24min
#110 - CISO Predictions for 2023
Want to know CISO Tradecraft's Top 10 cyber security predictions for 2023? Listen to the episode to learn more about:
Proactive Identity Management = Automated Provisioning of Access + Minimizing Digital Blast Radius
Convergence of Security Tools
Collaboration Technology
Evolution of the Endpoint (Chromebooks or Browser Isolation)
Chatbots
Vague and unclear cyber laws
CISO liability increases
Umbrella IT general controls mapping
Companies will be less truthful during 3rd party questionnaires
Cyber defense will become more difficult because of people
Be sure to also check out G Mark Hardy's annual ISACA talk at
http://isaca-cmc.org/
Link to full transcripts of the podcast can be found here:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1RkrtkuunBn-qaU-Y9HvgHJzAKoIIszcW/edit?usp=sharing&ouid=104989998442085477687&rtpof=true&sd=true

Dec 19, 2022 • 46min
#109 - The Right Stuff
Success leaves clues, but sometimes we limit ourselves by only looking close by for them. This week, we pondered what business skills are essential for a successful CISO, and then extended the search to some non-traditional sources to find some very relevant advice. Take the time to listen and do a self-examination (you don't have to submit for a grade :) and see where you could boost your skills portfolio to increase your success as a security leader. Some of the essential skills we discuss on this episode of CISO Tradecraft are:
Be a leader
Manage money and resources
Differentiate yourself and your message
Communicate with clarity and emphasis
Delegate and hold subordinates accountable
Build a personal network
Mentor your team
Be adaptable
Be sensitive to cultural and political issues
Watch the details and ensure your management makes informed risk-based decisions &
Know your limitations
We thank our sponsor Nucleus Security for supporting this episode
Full Transcript: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1C357cX_4wKTRmhRUsGh_2d9vIMX5LspL/
Show links:
https://www.smallbusiness.wa.gov.au/starting-and-growing/essential-business-skills
https://cisotradecraft.podbean.com/e/108-budgeting-for-cisos-with-nick-vigier/
https://nativeintelligence.com/
https://github.com/cisotradecraft/Podcast#business-management--leadership
https://www.ef.com/wwen/blog/efacademyblog/skills-for-success/
https://www.criticalthinking.org/pages/defining-critical-thinking/766
https://your.yale.edu/learn-and-grow-what-adaptability-workplace
https://openai.com/blog/chatgpt/
https://openai.com/dall-e-2/


