THE SPACESHIP EARTH PODCAST

"Carbon is the basic building blocks of life. It’s not actually a negative thing. Very rarely in a natural system is something objectively negative or positive. It plays its role. And so actually storing carbon and having carbon in your soil is incredibly important. And of course huge amounts of carbon has been lost from the soil. So there’s huge potential to store carbon in the soil. However I will say that we will get ourselves in trouble if we turn farming into a carbon storing exercise. I believe that we can store carbon in the soil and it’s really important for farming, and really important for the environment and the future. But I’m worried if we go down the route of only farming to store carbon, we lose the holistic understanding of nature and we end up back in a reductionist system where we are only thinking about carbon storage. To thrive we have to consider everything, and we have to understand the ecosystem in its entirety.” Will Rolph works with his brother Harry, farming olives at Two Fields in Zakros. After moving to Zakros they soon discovered a beautiful olive craft passed down through generations that was under threat from a broken industrialized food system. Diving deep into regenerative farming and rebuilding land & soil, they work together with their family and community to produce small batches of olive oil.Listen to Dan and Will discuss: - Journey from sustainable design, craftsmanship to regenerative olive farming - Chemical, reductionist and monoculture farming works. But only for the short term - In regenerative farming we give more than we take - Becoming ‘more forest, than field’ - How are we repairing our planet and building a future that’s possible - Strength in diversity - Farmers and customers become trapped in a system that only benefits the corporation - The gift of mentorship and the proud nod of ‘you’ve got this’ - Land can’t give anymore than it is given - Learning from the ancient and wild olive trees found in the mountains - Deep connection to land and tasting the fruits of your labour - Sharing the stories of Zakros through natural ingredients - Joy to be found in limits and constraints - Small is beautiful and powerful - What we do to our soils, we do to ourselves - Industrialisation disconnects us from valuable felt experiences - Be an enquiring mind. Ask real questions - Look after one another Community and Links Places: Zakros Connect:Two Fields - https://twofieldszakros.comInstagram - @twofieldszakros ————— Thanks for listening to The Spaceship Earth Podcast. Host: Dan Burgess @dan__burgessEdit: Charlie ShreadShownotes: Vicki TurnerMusic: Escape Goat by Soren LorensonJoin us on Instagram: @thespaceship.earthSubscribe to monthly newsletter: https://becomingcrew.substack.com/welcome If you wish to support The Spaceship Earth podcast, please leave us a review or share your favourite episode on social media, as this helps enormously. -- Get full access to Becoming Crew at becomingcrew.substack.com/subscribe

“Now there are lots of writers who talk about how foundational stories have been across history. Just take Sapiens by Yuval Noah Harari, in it he maps that without story, humans wouldn’t have been able to live in civilisations larger than about 20,000. That myth and story have been fundamental to our evolution as a species. And if we want to shift stories, we need to start thinking of them as technologies. We need to recognise them for the complex and potent things that they are.”This episode explores the role of stories and narrative as a technology for foundational economic system change. Stories For Life is a project authored by Dan Burgess and Paddy Loughman in collaboration with The Green Economy Coalition and The WellBeing Economy Alliance. Collectively they explored how stories may help design an economy in service to life. To weave this narrative requires engagement across cultures. It needs everyone who brings stories into our cultures to participate and play. This podcast was recorded at The Stories For Life event hearing from those working to create new narratives through creative culture, arts, activism, new economic design, leadership, community action and more.Listen to speakers: Dan Burgess- Our current destructive narratives- What if we could evolve these stories? - What if we can jump into uncertainty?- What if this is the most exciting and imaginative time? Paddy Loughman- Symptoms of a deadly economy and how to design an alternative in service to life- Separation and competition over kindness, compassion, cooperation, diversity, creativity and care- Economics are not fixed, they were designed. So they can be redesigned. Upgraded Ella Saltmarshe- Myth and story are fundamental to the evolution of our species- Change the Things. Change the Relationships. Change the goals - Donella Meadows - The values we hold will determine the stories we collectively have- What changes when we understand ourselves as good ancestors?- Radical kinship and care Carlota Sanz- A new vision for the 21st century - A doughnut!- An inherited degenerative system to a new regenerative and cyclical system- What would it take to realise the new doughnut economy? - Change makers to change makers. The most effective way to realise a new paradigm Kumi Naidoo- What’s the biggest contribution we can make to the cause of justice? It’s not about giving your life, but giving the rest of your life - Activists no longer speak the same language of the people- What is needed? System innovation. System redesign. System transformation- Bravery is required to tackle the root of our problems- The focus is too much on what people don’t have, not what people have.- An appeal for a just social contract Andres Roberts- How do we change the story of human progress by working with nature?- Nature works in cycles and webs of connection, not straight lines, pyramids and hierarchies- Humanity’s guiding principle is growth. Yet nature is based on optimisation- When we listen and observe to nature, a new kind of knowledge arises- We have emerged from nature. If we connect back to this truth we’ll rekindle our feeling of belongingCommunity: Green Economy Coalition - https://www.greeneconomycoalition.orgWellbeing Economy Alliance - https://weall.orgThe Longtime Academy - https://www.thelongtimeproject.orgCivic Square - https://civicsquare.cc/team/Donut Economics Action Lab - https://doughnuteconomics.orgBio-Leadership Project - https://www.bio-leadership.orgPower People & Planet - Kumi Naidoo https://www.powerpeopleplanet.org/Stories For Life (You Tube) - https://stories.life/get-involved—————Thanks for listening to The Spaceship Earth Podcast.Host: Dan Burgess @dansolo__Edit: Charlie ShreadShownotes: Vicki TurnerMusic: Escape Goat by Soren LorensonJoin us on Instagram: @thespaceship.earthSubscribe to monthly newsletter: https://becomingcrew.substack.com/welcome Get full access to Becoming Crew at becomingcrew.substack.com/subscribe

“What I'd say is for people my age it’s totally about intersectionality and recognising that to fix one thing, we need to fix various other things as well. One thing I really noticed while writing ‘We have a dream’ was how young so many of the people were when they started, it isn’t teenagers, it’s young children; seven, eight, nine year olds taking it upon themselves to make things better because they were seeing a failure from generations before them. I think while in some ways it’s incredibly inspiring to see people feeling capable to go out and change the world like that, in some ways I think it’s incredibly sad that kids feel the need.”Mya Rose Craig AKA Birdgirl is a racial equality & climate and environmental campaigner and activist. Nineteen and British-Bangladeshi, she’s the youngest British person to be awarded an honorary Doctorate of Science for fighting for equal access to nature and ethnic diversity in the environmental sector. As her name suggests, she’s a passionate birdwatcher, a speaker, once sharing a stage with Greta Thunberg, and the President of Black2Nature, a charity providing nature camps for teenagers introducing them to the natural world.Listen to Dan and Mya-Rose discuss: - From birding, blogging, to activism - A childhood of ecological awareness - Equity in the climate change movement and the challenges of modern colonialism - Access to nature as a human right for all not just the privileged - Black2Nature - A Visible Minority Ethnic led organisation to give access to VME communities who are excluded from the countryside - ‘We Have A Dream’ a book to amplify the voice of thirty young indigenous people and people of colour protecting the planet - Joy of watching under appreciated birds - How capitalism has contributed to disconnecting and undervaluing the natural world - Burnout, The Resilience Project and birding as meditation - Hope for COP 26 - Activism. Fueled by my love for birds and the planet Community and Links Projects:Black2Nature - https://www.birdgirluk.com/black2nature/The Resilience Project - https://www.theresilienceproject.org.ukYouth for our Panet - https://youthforourplanet.com People: Greta Thunberg Books/Films/Talks: We Have A Dream - https://www.birdgirluk.com/shop/My Octopus Teacher - https://www.netflix.com/title/81045007Youth Strike 4 Climate Talk - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RLxyfpYr8mw Places: BristolBangladesh Connect:https://www.birdgirluk.com@birdgirluk ————— Thanks for listening to The Spaceship Earth Podcast. Host: Dan Burgess @dan__burgessEdit: Charlie ShreadShownotes: Vicki TurnerMusic: Escape Goat by Soren LorensonJoin us on Instagram: @thespaceship.earthSubscribe to monthly newsletter: https://becomingcrew.substack.com/welcome If you wish to support The Spaceship Earth podcast, please leave us a review or share your favourite episode on social media, as this helps enormously. Get full access to Becoming Crew at becomingcrew.substack.com/subscribe

“I think fundamentally it all comes down to the systems and structures we live within. We are all trapped within this economic structure at the moment. We are trapped in a carbon structure. I mean even what we do every day - let’s be brutally honest - we all go to work and do things that are reliant on those things. It’s not straight-forward. What I do think, is that there’s paralysis within the government because of that. The changes that we need are pretty dramatic. It will cost jobs from certain industries, in fossil fuels and in damaging industries. But it has to be presented as creating new opportunities. Renewable and sustainable businesses. The benefits we’ll get at protecting big parts of our world and taking the public on a new journey through that. And people also need to talk about western consumption levels, which are absolutely unsustainable.”Hugo Tagholm is the Chief Executive of the national marine conservation and campaigning charity Surfers Against Sewage. He is an environmentalist, campaigner, surfer, charity professional and public speaker. A rare breed, Hugo embodies a wildness from his deep relationship with the ocean and the natural world. He mobilises and helps enable community led participation in change and has vision for how we can evolve. With courage and energy he uses his influence on business and politics to help make the transformative shifts we need for all future life. Listen to Dan and Hugo discuss: - Creating change together in the most radical decade of environmental activism- The fear yet also the strength, lessons and impact made throughout the pandemic- Hybrid activism. Embracing diversity in campaigns - Decade of government action required to bring back thriving natural systems - Trapped within human made systems and structures - On a knife-edge. The pandemic highlights how fragile society and individuals have become - Economic systems rely on exploitation and destruction. Individual choice is not enough. Entire systems need to reform and change - Impacts of large businesses extracting nutrients from communities - Social media’s ability to dis-connect us from life - Diversity of collaborations to enrich discussions and solutions - Changing our stories from scarcity and competition, to abundance, generosity and reciprocity - Active hope for life. And catching waves - Action is a non negotiable. And many still have the imagination to dream up new possibilities - G7 protests call for urgent action on the ocean and climate crisis - Radical action. Radical humans Community and Links Projects:Surfers Against Sewage - https://www.sas.org.ukBiosphere 2 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biosphere_2 Books: Active Hope - https://www.activehope.info/the-book Films: Spaceship Earth Documentary - https://mattwolf.info/Spaceship-Earth People: Tom Kay Prince CharlesJoe BidenJustin Trudeau Places: Cornwall Connect:https://www.instagram.com/surfersagainstsewagehttps://twitter.com/sascampaigns ————— Play out track:Blurred by Kiasmos (Bonobo Remix)https://kiasmos.bandcamp.com/track/blurred-bonobo-remix Thanks for listening to The Spaceship Earth Podcast. Host: Dan Burgess @dansolo__Edit: Charlie ShreadShownotes: Vicki TurnerMusic: Escape Goat by Soren LorensonJoin us on Instagram: @thespaceship.earthSubscribe to monthly newsletter: https://becomingcrew.substack.com/welcome If you wish to support The Spaceship Earth podcast, please leave us a review or share your favourite episode on social media, as this helps enormously. Get full access to Becoming Crew at becomingcrew.substack.com/subscribe

In this episode I'm in conversation with Tom Kay founder of ocean inspired outdoor clothing brand and BCorps Finisterre. This shorter than usual conversation took part just before Sea 7 - the world's first Ocean activist training camp, dreamed up and bought to the world by Finisterre with design partners Protect Blue, just before the G7 world leaders gathering in June down in Cornwall - the home of Finisterre. I had the honour of hosting the 6 hr event which included talks, panels and workshops from the world's leading ocean activists, scientists, campaigners, designers, working tirelessly to protect and regenerate our planets life support system - the ocean. In this conversation I caught up with Tom to explore the thinking behind Sea 7, some reflections on the Finisterre journey of the last 19 years, the impacts of the pandemic and what next for the brand in these unravelling times. We then swiftly jumped in the ocean before kicking off Sea 7.Stay locked for the outro track, an ocean flavoured remix of our title music which includes a gift of a poem from podcast mixmaster @Charlie Shread - Earth Originhttps://sea7.finisterre.com/Thanks for listening to The Spaceship Earth Podcast.Host: Dan Burgess @dan__burgessEdit: Charlie ShreadShownotes: Vicki TurnerMusic: Escape Goat by Soren LorensonJoin us on Instagram: @thespaceship.earthSubscribe to monthly newsletter: becomingcrew.substack.com/welcomeIf you wish to support The Spaceship Earth podcast, please leave us a review or share your favourite episode on social media, as this helps others find the podcast. Get full access to Becoming Crew at becomingcrew.substack.com/subscribe

Kate Robinson is a writer, speaker and director of Nevergrey and the daughter of the late Sir Ken Robinson. Her work is dedicated to his legacy and she continues to share his passion of human potential and empowering every person and every organization on the planet to imagine, reimagine, create and recreate via the platform - Imagine If.She was the founding Editor in Chief and Head of Strategic Operations of HundrED, a Finnish-based initiative designed to seek and share the most inspiring innovations in education globally and was awarded a thought leadership award for her Outstanding Contribution to Education Empowerment. Listen to Dan and Kate discuss: - A Year of grief, relocation, marriage, a pandemic, and a new legacy business - Life as the daughter of Sir Ken Robinson- Myths and misunderstandings of creativity - Education stripping us of our human resources, thus stripping the planet of it’s natural resources - Great gardeners don’t grow a plant. They create conditions for plants to flourish - Rock and Roll was not a government led initiative. Real change comes from the ground up - Traditional education is conformity and standardisation. Yet life comes from diversity - Education discourages making mistakes. Yet mistakes makes us both human and creative - Love letter and celebration of human potential - Resistance and mutiny - The more complex the issues of our world become, the more creative our solutions need to be to solve them - We create the worlds in which we live. And there’s always the possibility of recreation - Imagine If. A rallying cry to continue Sir Ken Robinson’s work - Different capacities of imagination. And imagination as a practice - Beneficial environments for learning and creativity - Agency. Taking responsibility for our own lives and our shared planet Community and Links Projects:What If - https://imagine-if.com/scheduleNevergrey - https://www.nevergrey.orgThe Call to Unite - https://unite.usMind Up - https://mindup.org/about/United World Colleges - https://www.uwc.orgHundred - https://hundred.org/enBig Picture Learning - https://www.bigpicture.org Talks: Do Schools Kill Creativity Ted Talk - https://tinyurl.com/a7p7vma Books: Out of Our Minds - https://tinyurl.com/4a55t4h2Creative Schools - https://tinyurl.com/3425ckajBe More Pirate - https://tinyurl.com/5f8y5s8wConnect:https://www.instagram.com/itskaterobinson/https://www.nevergrey.orgEmail : skr@nevergrey.org http://sirkenrobinson.com—————Play out track:Life is Beautiful - A Reminiscent DriveA cheeky bootleg by Dan - featuring words from the late Sir Ken Robinson recorded during an interview with Dan in 2016Host: Dan Burgess @dan__burgessEdit: Charlie ShreadShownotes: Vicki TurnerMusic: Escape Goat by Soren LorensonJoin us on Instagram: @thespaceship.earthSubscribe to monthly newsletter: https://becomingcrew.substack.com/welcome Get full access to Becoming Crew at becomingcrew.substack.com/subscribe

A spontaneous mix recorded just before the rise of the full moon yesterday. It’s a set I imagined playing to honour the full moon rising in the sky above me. A selection of tracks that have been connecting with me of late - deep, cosmic, entangled, emotional - Sort of how I’ve been feeling recently. I don’t know about you but I’ve been really missing dancing with people, dancing outside, feet on the earth, letting it go. I shed a few tears at moments in this mix, the sheer beauty of this life combined with the overwhelm of these times means my heart is easily breaking open by loud soaring strings, hi hats, snares, cosmic vocals and deep throbbing basslines I find. The mix closes with some wise words from a previous guest on my podcast Amisha Ghadiali - someone I admire for honouring the cycles, rhythms and patterns of our living world, of which we are all part of. So this is a gift for the full moon rising, the buck moon of July. I hope it moves you in some way. Massive gratitude to all the artists and producers of these tracks. Full tracklisting on the site. #earthsessions #housemusic #gratitude #interconnected #fullmoon Tracklisting:Vessels - EllipticLee Burridge/Lost Desert - LoopyjazzBona Fide & Wassu - SilaNoha - 4 walls ( Lost Desert mix)Frost - OvertonesSasha - HNDICassian - Open Up ( Durante mix)Tim Green - CoriolisAmbassadeurs - TakedaDouble Touch/Reigan - Greatest DaySebastian Leger - StevieLee Burridge - Satellite Gorl ( Tim Green mix)Play out words @Amisha Ghadiali from TSE episode 41 Get full access to Becoming Crew at becomingcrew.substack.com/subscribe

In this episode I’m in conversation with Andy Cato, an award-winning mixed arable and livestock farmer and co-founder of Wildfarmed Grain.This was a treat on many fronts. Not just because Andy is a fascinating human doing extraordinary work to regenerate our planet but this conversation connects up many of my own deep interests. Before forming Wild Farmed Grain Andy was one half of music act Groove Armada and started his journey with music in the early nineties going on to become a massive global artist and DJ, releasing over 8 albums, touring all over the world and next year will celebrate 25 years of music. But Andy’s story continued to evolve as he learnt about the impacts our industrial food systems are having on both planetary and human health which kickstarted his inquiry into food growing, farm ownership and his own stark experiences witnessing dying soils and the devastating impacts of industrial agriculture. His experimental nature and curious enquiring mind led him to the conclusion that regenerating soils for both climate and food is an urgent and pressing task for humanity and he has spent a decade developing farming methodologies where plants, animals and soils are all working in deep symbiosis, and farmers, bakers, millers and customers work together to create highly nutritious grains, flours and products in a value system that works for everyone. Cut to 2021 and Wild Farmed Grain is making noise and beginning to spread from the underground, fast becoming the flour of choice of chefs and bakers around the country. His original 100Ha farm in Gascony, where his farming journey began, was recognised as the most innovative farm in France when awarded the prestigious Lauréat National de l'Agro-Ecologie 2020. He is the first Englishman to be awarded the Chevalier L’Order Merit de Agricole - the equivalent of a knighthood for services to agriculture. Now on British soil, Andy is on a mission to take what he’s learned and help other farmers adopt his WildFarmed system so they can produce wheat that is not only more tasty and nutritious, but that eats up huge quantities of CO2 and restores soil health and biodiversity. This was a wide ranging conversation, Andy has lived an extraordinary life and his knowledge, energy and dedication to building a new regenerative and community led food system is incredible - and for me to have a conversation which included raving , house music, the symbiosis of plant and animal relationships, soil health, complexity, human health, climate action and sourdough was an absolute treat. I hope you enjoy it. Available on all podcast platforms. Community and LinksAn Agricultural Testament - Albert Howardhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/An_Agricultural_Testament The One Straw Revolution - Masanobu Fukuoka https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/976905.The_One_Straw_RevolutionKiss the groundhttps://kisstheground.com/Groove Armadahttps://www.groovearmada.com/We Are Growhttps://wearegrow.org/Connect:www.instagram.com/wildfarmedhttps://wildfarmed.co.uk/—————Play out track:Sasha - Corner shophttps://sasha.bandcamp.com/album/luzoscuraThanks for listening to The Spaceship Earth Podcast.Host: Dan Burgess @dansolo__Edit: Charlie ShreadShownotes: Vicki TurnerMusic: Escape Goat by Soren LorensonJoin us on Instagram: @thespaceship.earthSubscribe to monthly newsletter: becomingcrew.substack.com/welcomeIf you wish to support The Spaceship Earth podcast, please leave us a review or share your favourite episode on social media, as this helps others find the podcast. Get full access to Becoming Crew at becomingcrew.substack.com/subscribe

“When I lived in the Netherlands, even when you work on a project that you hope fixes something, like plastic recycling, at the end of the day you go to a supermarket to buy something, like a banana, shipped from Columbia. Then you sleep in a house that’s built from concrete, then you take a car somewhere, then there’s the roads, the lights that are always on, just to keep that Dutch system going. Or not necessarily a Dutch system, a western system. They leave big footprints, way more than people in other countries in the world. So I felt very much like, ‘Damn you are trying to fix problems, but you are here part of the problem by living here in this world.’ How can we structure life that you can still work on these things, but you don’t make a mess somewhere else.”Dave Hakkens is an award winning and disruptive designer from the Netherlands. Graduating and launching two projects, Phone Bloks and Precious Plastic in 2013, he continued to develop open-source projects that address global environmental problems. Dave is a maverick in his field, and continues to learn and develop the skills to build communities around interconnected problems, in the hope for a better world. Listen to Dan and Dave discuss: - The journey from a design graduate to an army of change makers - Phone Blocks: A modular phone design where parts, not the whole device, can be upgraded - Precious Plastic: Open-source plastic recycling machines for all- Evolving team, community, funding and awards for Precious Plastic - One Army: Interconnected communities that solve global problems - Developing skills in how to build a community around a problem - Project Kamp: Prototyping a way of living that’s least wasteful - Observing land to see what she and the community needs- Full time van life; is it cheating? - Intentional living and our interdependence with the natural world - Power of the internet, simplicity and playfulness to communicate with the world - Fixing Fashion: Using the power of fashion to dictate what is cool, especially repaired clothes. - Building software to help build effective communities - It’s time to serve the environment on Spaceship Earth Community and Links Projects:Fixing Fashion - https://fixing.fashionOne Army - https://www.onearmy.earthPrecious Plastic - https://preciousplastic.comPhone Bloks: https://www.onearmy.earth//project/phonebloks Places: NetherlandsPortugal Connect:https://www.instagram.com/davehakkens/ ————— Play out track:Glimmer in the Dark by Trilucid & Esquehttps://www.beatport.com/track/glimmer-in-the-dark-extended-mix/14389742 Thanks for listening to The Spaceship Earth Podcast. Host: Dan Burgess @dansolo__Edit: Charlie ShreadShownotes: Vicki TurnerMusic: Escape Goat by Soren LorensonJoin us on Instagram: @thespaceship.earthSubscribe to monthly newsletter: https://becomingcrew.substack.com/welcome If you wish to support The Spaceship Earth podcast, please leave us a review or share your favourite episode on social media, as this helps enormously. Get full access to Becoming Crew at becomingcrew.substack.com/subscribe

“The truth of it seems to me that it’s not that the more than human world is something which some people have a particular affinity for and other people don’t, we all do. It’s something from childhood. Children adore animals, they dream of animals so often. Their sense of curiosity and comfort is often from animals. Their companions are very often from the more than human world. I think, in a sense that maybe that’s part of the clue to why so many people lose it, is because it’s treated as if it’s something that we grow out of. As if we move from that, living beautiful, welling-up word, of zest, of spirit, of vitality, as if we move out of that, into this concrete enclosed world and that is what growing up is about and that is what this so called real world is about.”Jay Griffiths is a courageous and award winning writer and author. Her writing feels crucially important to these times we are living in.Along with her books including, Why Rebel, Wild: An Elemental Journey and Kith: The Riddle of the Childscape, she also writes for The Guardian, The Idler and Orion Magazine. Jay is a fierce advocate for wild places, the landscapes we belong to and our relationship to the more than human world. Listen to Dan and Jay explore her new book - Why Rebel, which she reads from in this podcast, as they discuss: - Early threads of interest in a writer’s life - Awakening to what we all know - Why Rebel. Letter to an Endling- From silence to speech - Non violent protests evolving culture - Extinction Rebellion. Knowledge, understanding, devotion, service and disciplined fury - The danger of lies and the importance of truth - Integration of the ancient and the modern - Children carrying the burden of responsibility - Indigenous philosophy; Seven Generations and Who Speaks for Wolf - Recognising english history and the celtic connection to land - Land knowledge rather than land ownership - Insects and tears - Stupidity and genocidal capitalism - It’s not about speaking better. But speaking differently - The wonder and life beneath our feet. Not on Mars - Court statement that brought judge to tears Community and Links People:Nick Hayes (Author, The Book of Trespass)Guy Shrubsole ( Author, Who owns England) Projects/Books:Extinction Rebellion - https://extinctionrebellion.ukWhy Rebel - http://jaygriffiths.com/books/why-rebel/ Places: WalesIrelandCornwallEnglandWest PapuaBristol (Enslaver, Edward Colston) Connect:Jay Griffiths - http://jaygriffiths.comBuy Why Rebelhttp://jaygriffiths.com/books/why-rebel/ ————— Play out track:The Waves - Waterboyshttps://music.apple.com/us/artist/the-waterboys/541457 Thanks for listening to The Spaceship Earth Podcast. Host: Dan Burgess @dan__burgessEdit: Charlie ShreadShownotes: Vicki TurnerMusic: Escape Goat by Soren LorensonJoin us on Instagram: @thespaceship.earthSubscribe to monthly newsletter: https://becomingcrew.substack.com/welcome If you wish to support The Spaceship Earth podcast, please leave us a review or share your favourite episode on social media, or donate a price of a cuppa for an episode you enjoyedhttps://ko-fi.com/thespaceshipearthThis all helps enormously. Get full access to Becoming Crew at becomingcrew.substack.com/subscribe