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Pavilion
The #1 podcast for founders, operators, and investors in B2B tech. Tune in every week to hear Sam Jacobs, AJ Bruno and Asad Zaman discuss and debate the trends, news, and developments impacting the B2B tech world. Enjoy the hot takes, strong opinions, and dry humor.
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Jun 8, 2025 • 1h 8min
E112: Is AI the End of Entry Level Roles?
AI is revolutionizing the job market, threatening traditional entry-level roles. The discussion highlights the challenge for new grads as companies prioritize experienced candidates. The guests also touch on the need for AI literacy among job seekers and how automation may reshape sales roles. Amid concerns about job displacement, a balance between the promise of AI and the fear of job loss is crucial. Tips for adapting to these changes, including staying agile and embracing new technologies, are also key takeaways from the conversation.

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Jun 1, 2025 • 1h 11min
E111: How Bolt Hit $40M in Four Months and Why It Took Eric Simons Seven Years to Get There
Eric Simons, CEO of Bolt, bootstrapped his startup journey from an eccentric office squat at AOL to creating a $40M ARR powerhouse in just four months. He shares his transformative path that included relentless perseverance and insightful pivots. Eric draws parallels between training for an Ironman and the resilience needed in entrepreneurship. He emphasizes the importance of a disciplined, capital-efficient approach for sustainable growth, while also discussing the challenges and strategies essential for innovation in the fast-paced tech landscape.

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May 26, 2025 • 1h 13min
E110: How CEO Michael Walrath is building Yext for a world beyond Google
Michael Walrath, Chairman and CEO of Yext, shares his extensive experience in internet businesses. He discusses the future beyond Google and how AI is transforming information interaction. Michael highlights the diminishing relevance of traditional SEO and the critical need for structured data to enhance brand visibility. He also reflects on managing a public company during market volatility, the significance of focusing on profitability, and the groundbreaking 'Scout' tool designed to empower local businesses with valuable insights.

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May 18, 2025 • 1h 6min
E109: Burnout, Breakthroughs & the New Reality of GTM Leadership
The hosts tackle the emotional weight of leading through market volatility, reflecting on how missed targets impact mental health. They discuss the delicate balance between perseverance and letting go. Insights into AI's transformative role in business emerge, along with the significance of adaptability and resilience for founders. The conversation also highlights the value of peer groups in enhancing retention and offers a peek into the shifting landscape of tech through recent M&A trends.

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May 15, 2025 • 21min
SPOTLIGHT: How CEO Sam Jacobs Is Redefining Pavilion's Identity
Sam Jacobs shares the journey of transforming Pavilion into a thriving community for startup operators. He discusses the challenges faced with rapid growth and how it caused the community's focus to waver. The introduction of Pavilion Gold aims to bring value to high-performing members. Insights into using platforms like LinkedIn and Slack for collaboration reveal the modern landscape of community building. Jacobs emphasizes the need for strategic planning and maintaining a balance between exclusivity and expansion for sustained success.

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May 11, 2025 • 1h 8min
E108: Unpacking Ebsta's Benchmarking Report with Guy Rubin
Guy Rubin, Founder and CEO of Ebsta, shares insights from their latest sales benchmarking report. He discusses alarming trends in quota attainment and the reasons many sales teams fall short. The conversation highlights the impact of effective leadership and data-driven strategies on sales success. Rubin emphasizes the importance of nurturing talent and adapting to today's competitive landscape. Additionally, he explores the evolving dynamics in sales with a focus on relationship-building and maintaining continuity with customers.

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May 8, 2025 • 26min
SPOTLIGHT: How Rick Smolen Built Confidence Leading Outside of Sales
Rick Smolen, the Chief Revenue Officer of ShipHero, shares insights from his diverse career in finance and software sales. He discusses the challenges of stepping into the CRO role, managing the entire customer lifecycle, and leading teams in unfamiliar areas. Curiosity emerged as his strongest leadership tool, helping him navigate early mistakes. Rick emphasizes the importance of building a collaborative leadership team, embracing failure for growth, and prioritizing meaningful over urgent tasks in today’s fast-paced environment.

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May 4, 2025 • 1h 12min
E107: Scaling ClickUp to 10M+ Users with COO Gaurav Agarwal
Gaurav Agarwal, COO of ClickUp, has propelled the company to over 10 million users while optimizing customer acquisition costs. He discusses the power of a hybrid growth strategy combining Product-Led Growth and Sales-Led Growth. Gaurav shares insights on reducing CAC through smart spending, the balancing act between brand marketing and measurable results, and the importance of self-awareness in leadership. The need for strong teams and the productivity benefits of a clean workspace also make for engaging highlights from this insightful conversation.

May 1, 2025 • 27min
SPOTLIGHT: Untangling Tech Debt and Finding Product-Market Fit with Russ Mikowski of SurePeople
In this discussion, Russ Mikowski, CEO of SurePeople and a seasoned revenue leader, shares insights from his journey to leadership. He addresses the complexities of managing technical debt while focusing on a clear market strategy. Russ emphasizes the importance of saying 'no' to legacy customers to build a robust product. He also highlights innovative psychometric assessments to boost company culture and performance. Dive into his thoughts on transparent communication and the essential traits of leadership in tech environments.

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Apr 27, 2025 • 1h 18min
E106: AI-Driven vs AI-First vs AI-Native with Eric Wolford of Accel
In this discussion, Eric Wolford, a venture partner at Accel specializing in enterprise IT, explores the landscape of AI-first companies. He delves into the importance of genuine AI integration versus superficial adoption and how this impacts product development. Eric also addresses the effects of macroeconomic conditions on investment strategies and startup valuations. He shares insights on raising capital, the challenge of aligning founder goals with investor expectations, and highlights the necessity of authenticity in entrepreneurship.


