

Leading Second Podcast
Brandon Stewart
A monthly podcast to help church leaders thrive in the second chair.
Leading Second exists to equip local churches everywhere to raise up UNCOMMON leaders. In a culture that often celebrates individual achievement and being on top, Leading Second is here to raise up the kind of leaders every pastor would kill to have on the team. Leaders who are all-in, heart and soul for Jesus, His Church, and their team’s mission. In an ever changing world, we have conversations in real-time with pastors and leaders on topics such as church leadership, leading when you’re not in charge, healthy team culture, and how to lead in the second chair. To learn more, visit leadingsecond.com.
Leading Second exists to equip local churches everywhere to raise up UNCOMMON leaders. In a culture that often celebrates individual achievement and being on top, Leading Second is here to raise up the kind of leaders every pastor would kill to have on the team. Leaders who are all-in, heart and soul for Jesus, His Church, and their team’s mission. In an ever changing world, we have conversations in real-time with pastors and leaders on topics such as church leadership, leading when you’re not in charge, healthy team culture, and how to lead in the second chair. To learn more, visit leadingsecond.com.
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Apr 20, 2023 • 52min
S6 Ep. 142 // Lee Wilson on The Vision Tension
Pastor Lee Wilson, the founder of Lee Wilson Ministries, fires us up about God’s vision for our lives. With the help of Pastor Tracy Keene from StrongPoint Church in Columbus, OH, and Dillon Ritchie from CoastLife Church in Venice, FL, Brandon dives into what it looks like to manage the tensions between the vision we serve under and the vision we are carrying.Find the episode guides at leadingsecond.com/podcast

Apr 14, 2023 • 37min
S6 Ep. 141 // Temi Pope on Standing In For Your Leader
In this episode, Brandon sits down with Temi Pope, the Senior Executive Pastor at Union Church, and breaks down how she works to stay in tune and stand in for her pastors. Through practical examples, Temi and Brandon walk through how to stand in for your pastor to help move the mission of the Church forward.

Mar 30, 2023 • 29min
S6 Ep. 140 // Les McKeown on Scaling Your Organization (and What It Will Require of You)
We’re back with another installment of our conversation with Les McKeown. He is the President and CEO of Predictable Success and a consultant to companies and many different levels. In the Last episode, we talked about moving from a start-up to a scaling phase in your organization. Jennifer Martin from NorthRock Church in San Antonio, TX, joins us once again as we talk more about scaling, what Les calls Predictable Success, and what it will require of you.Find the episode guides at leadingsecond.com/podcast

Mar 23, 2023 • 32min
S6 Ep. 139 // Les McKeown on Moving From Start-Up to Scaling
In this episode, we are talking with Les McKeown, the President and CEO of Predictable Success. In his consulting work, he works with CEOs, Fortune 500 companies, and down on how to achieve scaleable and sustainable growth in an organization. He’s the author of four books, and he leads an organization of consultants. With the help of Jennifer Martin from NorthRock Church in San Antonio, TX, we will hear some brilliant wisdom about moving from start-up to scaling.Find the episode guides at leadingsecond.com/podcast

Mar 16, 2023 • 46min
S6 Ep. 138 // Joshua Bingle & Michael Whittle on Leading in an Anti-Authority Culture
There’s a tension in being under authority while also being called to lead others. Culture can pull at us to see the authority we are led by as “the problem” rather than the sin we each possess. Joshua Bingle, Lead Pastor at Genesis Church in Spokane, WA, and Michael Whittle, Pastor at C3LA in Los Angeles and founder of Vast Media, bring some critical insight into how we are called to see and honor the leaders and authority figures God has placed over us.Find the episode guides at leadingsecond.com/podcast

Mar 9, 2023 • 46min
S6 Ep. 137 // “I Am With You” with Nate Puccini
Nate Puccini, the Executive Pastor at Substance Church in Minneapolis, Minnesota, discussed his walk to returning to the Church, his views on serving, and how to focus your life to see God and your pastor. Through his story, the relationship between Jonathan and David, and some real talk about walking out the call on our lives, we get to learn how to refocus our perspective on serving and leading.Find the episode guides at leadingsecond.com/podcast

Mar 2, 2023 • 34min
S6 Ep. 136 // Larry Brey on Being Intentional in Your Leadership Development
The Year of the Leader is here. Welcome to Season 6 of the Leading Second Podcast. On this season opening episode, Brandon sits down with Larry Brey (Elevation Church) to talk through leadership development. They dive deep into how to be intentional in your development as a leader and how important it is to have people in your life to help you walk out what you learn.Find the episode guides at leadingsecond.com/podcast

Feb 24, 2023 • 38min
The Year of the Leader | A Pre-Season Conversation with Brandon Stewart
We begin 2023 with the honor of hearing from three strong, wise, and insightful Second Chair Leaders. We’re joined by Kyle Heinecke, Campus Pastor at Fresh Life Church, Kalispell, MT; Jennifer Martin, Executive Pastor of Ministries at NorthRock Church in San Antonio, TX; and Dillon Ritchie, Ministry Executive Director at CoastLife Church in Venice, FL. This is the Year of the Leader at Leading Second and today we are focusing on how to be strong leaders and how to develop strong leaders around us.

Dec 29, 2022 • 42min
S5 Ep. 135 // Top Family & Ministry Rhythms for 2023 with Brandon & Lindsay Stewart
In what has become a bit of a tradition for the Leading Second Podcast, we are closing out our season with one last conversation at the end of the year in hopes of fueling the start of your next year! Few topics are more important to Lindsay and me than family and ministry. Getting this wrong is one of the quickest ways to be taken out, so we wanted to break down some of our top rhythms for this.

Dec 8, 2022 • 46min
S5 Ep. 134 // Natalie Runion (Raised to Stay) on Walking Through Church Hurt
“Why we should have left, why we choose to stay.” That is in Natalie Runion’s Instagram bio, and that is what her heart is for any time you hear her speak or, more likely, read the words she has written. You probably know her as “Raised to Stay,” but she started with a passion for seeing people go the distance in ministry. She joins me to have a conversation about church hurt.


