

Leading Second Podcast
Brandon Stewart
A monthly podcast to help church leaders thrive in the second chair.
Leading Second exists to equip local churches everywhere to raise up UNCOMMON leaders. In a culture that often celebrates individual achievement and being on top, Leading Second is here to raise up the kind of leaders every pastor would kill to have on the team. Leaders who are all-in, heart and soul for Jesus, His Church, and their team’s mission. In an ever changing world, we have conversations in real-time with pastors and leaders on topics such as church leadership, leading when you’re not in charge, healthy team culture, and how to lead in the second chair. To learn more, visit leadingsecond.com.
Leading Second exists to equip local churches everywhere to raise up UNCOMMON leaders. In a culture that often celebrates individual achievement and being on top, Leading Second is here to raise up the kind of leaders every pastor would kill to have on the team. Leaders who are all-in, heart and soul for Jesus, His Church, and their team’s mission. In an ever changing world, we have conversations in real-time with pastors and leaders on topics such as church leadership, leading when you’re not in charge, healthy team culture, and how to lead in the second chair. To learn more, visit leadingsecond.com.
Episodes
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Nov 9, 2023 • 36min
S6 Ep. 162 // Vance Roush on Leading Innovation from the Second Chair
As Second Chair Leaders, we are called to carry the vision of our leaders. But where does the idea of innovation play in the Second Chair? Vance Roush, Founder of Overflow and Executive Pastor at Vive Church in California, brings a fresh viewpoint on how to lead from the Second Chair by being an innovative visionary.We've created an Episode Guide for you to follow along with the conversation, find discussion questions to use with your team, and discover additional resources to help you take your second-chair leadership to the next-level. Download this free resource at leadingsecond.com/podcast.

Nov 2, 2023 • 41min
S6 Ep. 161 // Jenni Catron on Giving Your Organization a Culture Check-Up
Every organization has a culture, whether it is by design or by default. When a team is working well together and fully aligned, the momentum towards the mission is unstoppable. Jenni Catron, founder of The 4 Sight Group, joins Brandon and Jennifer Martin, Executive Pastor at NorthRock Church in San Antonio, TX, to talk about the value of culture in an organization.Find the episode guides at leadingsecond.com/podcast

Oct 26, 2023 • 1h 6min
S6 Ep. 160 // Rivers Church Team on Healthy Multisite Culture
Culture is a vital part of why anyone attaches themselves to anything. Establishing and maintaining a strong culture is vital to any church that wants to have a thriving ministry. Brandon is joined by Tracy Keene, Co-Pastor at StrongPoint Church in Columbus, OH, and they sit down with Adi and Claire Olivier, Lead Pastors at Rivers Church Kyalami in South Africa, to talk about ownership, culture, and honor. Find the episode guides at leadingsecond.com/podcast

Oct 19, 2023 • 1h 12min
S6 Ep. 159 // Ask Us Anything with Brandon Stewart & L2 Team
It is so important for each of us to acknowledge that we need to learn from others who have walked and are walking in similar scenarios as we are. Brandon, Nichole Moore from Champion Center in Tacoma, WA, Kyle Heinecke from Fresh Life Church in Kalispell, MT, and Jon Hatto from Hillsong Canada walk us through some questions they have as well as their insight of different situations through their walk in ministry.Find the episode guides at leadingsecond.com/podcast

Oct 12, 2023 • 46min
S6 Ep. 158 // Dave Rich on Leading Second Through Legacy Giving
There are many different types of Second Chair Leaders. Different positions, different talents and abilities, and different avenues in which to serve and lead. Giving is not just a Biblical principle, but a very important leadership avenue in the Church. Malachi 3:10 says, "'Bring the whole tithe into the storehouse, that there may be food in my house. Test me in this,' says the Lord Almighty, 'and see if I will not throw open the floodgates of heaven and pour out so much blessing that there will not be room enough to store it.'" Dave Rich joins Brandon and Nichole Moore, Executive Pastor at Champion Centre, to talk about the importance of Legacy Giving for the Church.Find the episode guides at leadingsecond.com/podcast

Oct 5, 2023 • 45min
S6 Ep. 157 // Scott Riztheimer on The Journey to Predictable Success, and Where We Get Stuck Along the Way
Every leader is on a journey. Throughout the journey, it is important to know where you are, where you’ve been, and where you’re going. Scott Riztheimer, founder and CEO of Scale Architects, brings clarity on the stages of Predictable Success as well as some insight into how to walk through the stages of being stuck.Find the episode guides at leadingsecond.com/podcast

Sep 28, 2023 • 41min
S6 Ep. 156 // Matt & Jennifer Martin on Managing Frustration in Ministry
In ministry, we can get frustrated with people or situations around us. Matt and Jennifer Martin, Executive Pastors at NorthRock Church in San Antonio, TX, provide some invaluable insight, guidance, and entertaining stories to help us see that we aren’t alone in our frustration and how we can thrive in the presence of frustration.Find the episode guides at leadingsecond.com/podcast

Sep 21, 2023 • 47min
S6 Ep. 155 // Wade Joye on This Dream is Not For You
A dream is a wish your heart makes… but what do you do when the dream in your heart isn’t your reality? Wade Joye, a coach, speaker, podcaster, and author of This Dream Is Not For You, walks us through how to navigate through the reality we are currently in, accept the dreams that have been given to us, and accept when we might be called in a different direction than we thought our dream would go. This Dream Is Not For You is available wherever books are sold - Amazon, Barnes & Noble, etc, or visit wadejoye.com for more details.Find the episode guides at leadingsecond.com/podcast

Sep 14, 2023 • 57min
S6 Ep. 154 // Manny Arango on Trusting God With Your Calling
Being a Second Chair Leader is a sobering position to hold. It takes a confident, humble, and faith-filled person to walk alongside a leader and follow as the leader has called them to do. Manny Arango, a teaching pastor at Social Dallas in Texas and the founder of ARMA, brings an unapologetic perspective on God’s process of refining us to serve Him and His Church.

Sep 7, 2023 • 49min
S6 Ep. 153 // Kevin Gerald on the Year of the Leader
There’s no perfect formula, but there are some vital areas that must be considered when talking about leadership. Brandon sits down with Kevin Gerald, Founder and Lead Pastor of Champions Centre in Washington State, to discuss our central theme for the year: The Year of the Leader. The need for leaders is all around us. We can’t change what’s happening everywhere, but we can do something where we have been placed.


