

Zealots at the Gate
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How do you disagree with substance, respect, and a spot of laughter? Is it possible for deep difference to be the uncanny glue of a free society, and not the spark for its conflagration? What does good-faith persuasion look like anymore?
Zealots at the Gate from Comment explores these questions through the friendship of two men: Muslim political thinker Shadi Hamid and Christian theologian Matthew Kaemingk. Through frank, unapologetic dialogue interrogating the future of democracy and the role of religion in North American cultural life, this is a conversation bent on charting out a new paradigm for navigating philosophical and even tribal difference with openness, good humour, and convicted humility.
Zealots at the Gate from Comment explores these questions through the friendship of two men: Muslim political thinker Shadi Hamid and Christian theologian Matthew Kaemingk. Through frank, unapologetic dialogue interrogating the future of democracy and the role of religion in North American cultural life, this is a conversation bent on charting out a new paradigm for navigating philosophical and even tribal difference with openness, good humour, and convicted humility.
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Jul 10, 2024 • 1h 5min
Learning to Disagree
In this insightful discussion, John Inazu, a professor of religion and law at Washington University in St. Louis, shares his expertise on navigating deep disagreements. He emphasizes the value of empathy and connection in personal relationships, even amidst significant ideological divides. Inazu highlights lessons from the legal profession that can transform conflict into constructive dialogue. He also explores faith's role in managing disagreements and the complexities of marriage equality discussions, advocating for understanding in a diverse democracy.

Jun 26, 2024 • 1h 1min
The Rise of the Secular Evangelicals
Guest Russell Moore, editor-in-chief of Christianity Today, discusses the politicization and secularization of evangelicalism in America, including the shift towards a more secular approach, challenges within congregations, and the need for evangelicals to reshape their political imagination in a changing landscape. The conversation also explores the intersection of politics and morality in the fight against abortion, the positive aspects of global evangelicalism, and Dr. Moore's book 'Losing Our Religion'.

Jun 19, 2024 • 1h 2min
Do Muslims and Christians Worship the Same God?
Shadi Hamid and Matthew Kaemingk can't postpone the difficult question any longer. Do Muslims and Christians worship the same God? Their answers (and disagreements) might surprise you. LINKS Relevant articles on the "Same God" debate from: Gabriel Said Reynolds https://churchlifejournal.nd.edu/articles/is-the-quranic-god-the-same-god-as-the-biblical-god/ Joshua Ralston https://www.abc.net.au/religion/the-same-god-or-the-one-god-on-the-limitations-and-implications-/10097414 Miroslav Volf https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/acts-of-faith/wp/2015/12/17/wheaton-professors-suspension-is-about-anti-muslim-bigotry-not-theology/ Francis Beckwith https://www.thecatholicthing.org/2015/12/17/do-muslims-and-christians-worship-the-same-god/ Peter Ochs https://www.abc.net.au/religion/do-jews-christians-and-muslims-worship-the-same-god/10096120

Jun 12, 2024 • 1h 36min
A Muslim Goes to Wheaton
Shadi Hamid and Matthew Kaemingk discuss faith, politics, and friendship at Wheaton College. They explore building friendships across faith differences, navigating catastrophizing in faith traditions, Christian and Islamic traditions in public discourse, and advice for students pursuing politics while maintaining faith.

Jun 5, 2024 • 53min
The Politics of Hell
"Hell is actually pretty underrated. I mean it, when it comes to democratic life, a belief in hell is quite helpful." Shadi kicked off a recent public lecture with this rather unexpected and provocative statement. In a time when democratic debate is becoming increasingly judgmental, where citizens wish to condemn and literally sentence one another to damnation, Shadi wonders (out loud) if a belief in a delayed judgment, one that belongs to God alone, could potentially lessen our need to exact total judgment in the here and now.

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May 29, 2024 • 1h 15min
Gaza and the Gods of Tribalism
Shadi Hamid and Matthew Kaemingk discuss tribal loyalties and influences on Gaza positions. Hamid's Muslim identity and Kaemingk presses on tribal perspective. Exploring evangelical views on Israel, end times, and group identity shaping political beliefs. Delve into complexities of differing views on Israel and managing disagreements in relationships. Emphasize on empathy, self-criticism, and dialogue in divisive times.

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Oct 19, 2023 • 55min
Gaza: A Political and Spiritual Reckoning
Shadi Hamid and Matthew Kaemingk discuss the moral and ethical challenges in the Israel-Hamas war, exploring religious perspectives, collective morality, Christian ethics, and the complex dynamics of money, power, and privilege. They express concern for the ongoing conflict in Gaza and its potential spread.

Jun 28, 2023 • 1h 18min
How to Exorcise Your Political Demons
Political demons? Really? While everyone can agree that there's something terribly wrong with America's political culture, should we really describe it as "demonic" or even "demon-possessed"? Muslims and Christians have long recognized the presence and power of evil, but what does a belief in the "demonic" actually look like in modern political life? Join Shadi and Matt as they speak to Laura Fabrycky, a political theologian who is researching the ways in which citizens might begin to resist the temptations of both demonic politics and the politics of demonization. LINKS: Laura Fabrycky's articles for Comment magazine: https://comment.org/contributors/laura-fabrycky/

Jun 21, 2023 • 1h 32min
Islamic Feminism: An Oxymoron?
Hadia Mubarak, a Muslim feminist and author, discusses interpreting Islamic texts, facing sexism in mosques, and the challenges of wearing a headscarf in a secular society. She shares her story of growing up in Panama City, Florida, and differentiates Islamic feminism from secular feminism.

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Jun 7, 2023 • 1h 1min
A Catholic Socialist in a Secular World
Can the American Left make space for deep religious commitment? Elizabeth Bruenig, a 2023 Pulitzer Prize finalist, is one of the most prominent—and controversial—Catholic socialists in America today. In this episode, she joins Matt and Shadi to discuss how people of faith can contribute to secular politics while maintaining their rather "strange" religious identity. Matt asks both her and Shadi to reflect on what it was like to be committed Bernie Sanders supporters while also remaining committed to their Catholic and Islamic faiths. Together they each discuss a future where the Democratic Party could (re)learn how to embrace people of faith, including those who bring their religion to bear on abortion, sexuality, and the death penalty. Links: Elizabeth Bruenig's reflection on Lent in The Atlantic: https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2023/03/catholic-lent-sacrifice-reflection/673353/ Bruenig's Pulitzer Prize-nominated features on capital punishment in Alabama: https://www.pulitzer.org/finalists/elizabeth-bruenig-atlantic Tim Alberta on why Hispanics are leaving the Democratic Party: https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2022/11/hispanic-voters-fleeing-democratic-party/671851/


