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Join Matt, Ben, Jeff, and Tim for an entertaining and informative weekly podcast cutting through conventional wisdom on Bitcoin, investing, and macroeconomics. Every Wednesday, this forward-thinking team delivers unique perspectives and innovative insights that challenge mainstream financial narratives, empowering listeners to make more independent decisions for their corporate or personal financial lives.
Is Bitcoin your hurdle rate?
New episodes every Wednesday!
Is Bitcoin your hurdle rate?
New episodes every Wednesday!
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Mar 24, 2026 • 53min
Episode 52 - An Increasingly Digital World
A deep dive into digital credit, exploring product-market fit and why Bitcoin-backed yield products are gaining traction. A close look at private credit liquidity, redemption gates, and how commercial real estate stress amplifies risk. Discussion on correlations between private and public credit markets and how ETF wrappers change bond liquidity dynamics.

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Mar 17, 2026 • 59min
Episode 51 - A Digital Credit Treasury
They debate using digital credit as a corporate treasury tool and a cash-management alternative. They explain a $50M Stretch purchase and how digital credit can boost yield and balance-sheet efficiency. They walk through dividend reserve planning, coverage across Bitcoin price scenarios, and liquidity advantages versus private credit. They discuss large Stretch-fueled Bitcoin buys and trading dynamics around peg-to-par mechanics.

Mar 10, 2026 • 59min
Episode 50 - Some Pretty Good Money Printing
Episode 50 - Some Pretty Good Money Printing
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[00:00:00] Welcome Back to The Hurdle Rate
[00:03:20] Strategy’s Latest
[00:12:55] 20 Millionth Bitcoin is Mined
[00:37:15] The Speed at Which AI is Advancing

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Mar 2, 2026 • 1h 9min
Episode 49 - Digital Credit is for Corporations
Discussion of Bitcoin as a freedom-preserving form of money amid geopolitical and AI-driven uncertainty. A recap of Strategy World and why digital credit products like Stretch appeal to corporations and treasuries. Talk of liquidity, securitized finance mechanics, market maturation, and why retirees and traditional investors are drawn to predictable digital credit yields.

Feb 18, 2026 • 54min
Episode 48 - Bullish Digital Credit
Conversation ranges from reflections on Bitcoin events and debates to when higher leverage can make sense in bear markets. They dig into digital credit risk, underwriting methods, and why markets may undervalue these instruments. Discussion also covers AI disruption, a K-shaped economy, fiat fragility versus digital monetary tech, and how transparency could reshape credit markets.

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Feb 10, 2026 • 49min
Episode 47 - A Time To Build
Discussion of Bitcoin Investor Week in NYC and why conferences matter during downturns. Conversation about how bear markets change mindsets, spur building, and purge weak hands. Exploration of margin risks, treasury cracks, and unusual volatility without a single trigger. Notes on ETF flows, macro drivers like AI, and strategy shifts toward product and credit resilience.

Feb 3, 2026 • 49min
Episode 46 - Build The Structure
Episode 46 - Build The Structure
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[00:00:00] Welcome Back to The Hurdle Rate
[00:01:05] Kevin Warsh Named Fed Chair
[00:24:38] Clawdbots & Moltbook
[00:32:10] The Pref Only Model & Digital Risk
[00:44:05] Bitcoin as a Term Asset & What a Supercycle Means

Jan 28, 2026 • 1h 5min
Episode 45 - Preferred Equity Demand
Episode 45 - Preferred Equity Demand
Thank you to our sponsor, Swan Bitcoin.
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[00:00:00] Welcome Back to The Hurdle Rate
[00:00:40] Does the Preferred Equity Present a Systemic Risk to Bitcoin?
[00:21:42] Strive + Semler: The First M&A Transaction in Bitcoin Treasuries
[00:33:30] IBIT Bitcoin Covered Call ETF
[00:41:51] Gold & Silver Price Action
[00:47:30] What is Japan Saying to the World Right Now?
[00:58:54] Bitcoin in an Action-Packed 2026

Jan 20, 2026 • 57min
Episode 44 - Digital Credit Clarity
Explore how digital credit could enhance retirees' income and reshape investment strategies. Delve into the implications of Coinbase's exit from the Clarity Act and the competition between tokenized stablecoin yields and traditional credit. Learn about the impact of credit spreads on sovereign risk, and why banks resist paying deposit yields. The hosts share insights on the tech stack behind their operations, emphasizing the importance of team culture and consistent communication in the fast-paced world of finance.

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Jan 13, 2026 • 1h 2min
Episode 43 - The Best Message Is Digital Credit
The hosts delve into Strategy's remarkable $1.25 billion Bitcoin purchase, exploring its implications for market dynamics. With a focus on digital credit, they discuss why these assets resonate more with high-net-worth investors than traditional Bitcoin messaging. Insights into market architecture reveal how liquidity and algorithmic trading attract institutional buyers. The implications of capping credit card interest rates and corporate Bitcoin treasuries strengthen the case for Bitcoin’s role in the future economy. Lastly, they critique Fed actions, connecting geopolitical risks to a bullish outlook for Bitcoin.


