

Complex Systems with Patrick McKenzie (patio11)
Patrick McKenzie
We live in a world where our civilization and daily lives depend upon institutions, infrastructure, and technological substrates that are _complicated_ but not _unknowable_. Join Patrick McKenzie (patio11) as he discusses how decisions, technology, culture, and incentives shape our finance, technology, government, and more, with the people who built (and build) those Complex Systems.
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24 snips
Mar 26, 2026 • 58min
Delve into compliance theatre
A deep dive into how compliance rules spread across vendors and procurement. Discussion of layered security controls and what real audits actually test. Examination of allegations that a compliance vendor sold superficial, templated reports. Concerns about marketing claims, identical reports across firms, and where liability and accountability fit into audit systems.

37 snips
Mar 19, 2026 • 46min
Understanding consumer debt collections: the underbelly of finance
An exploration of how charged-off consumer debt becomes a commodified waste stream and why accounting rules drive banks’ behavior. A look at debt portfolios sold as CSVs with no contracts and why paper correspondence can disrupt collectors’ processes. An examination of skip tracing errors, predictive dialers, templated lawsuits, and the incentives that encourage abusive collection tactics.

87 snips
Mar 12, 2026 • 1h 24min
Inference engineering and the real-world deployment of LLMs, with Philip Kiely
Philip Kiely, author and inference engineering practitioner who helped build Baseten, walks through the inference stack and real-world LLM deployment. He breaks down what engineers actually build. He explores model size tradeoffs, agentic workflows that multiply inference calls, routing between local and SOTA models, and practical harnesses for testing and scaling inference.

41 snips
Mar 5, 2026 • 26min
Secrets designed to be divulged and other payment oddities
A deep dive into why payments were built on shared secrets and the long-term fraud trade-offs that created. Explores CVV, AVS and other stopgap measures that balance security against conversion. Traces the failures of physical tokens and EMV terminals. Shows how smartphones finally deliver scalable cryptographic continuity and why regulation and SCA changed the incentives.

17 snips
Feb 26, 2026 • 1h 22min
Understanding government procurement, with Luke Farrell
Luke Farrell, a former U.S. Digital Service technologist and fellow at the Better Government Project, tackles why government procurement produces brittle, costly digital systems. They discuss recurrent vendor lock-in, repeated payments for the same code, Kafkaesque application flows, means-testing complexity, and how modular contracts and in-house technical capacity could reshape outcomes.

15 snips
Feb 12, 2026 • 51min
APIs of evil: studying fraud as infrastructure
A deep dive into industrial-scale fraud as a coordinated business process. How fraudsters reuse shared services like incorporators, CPAs, and lax banks to scale theft. Why high-growth programs and weak financial links attract abuse. Proposes simple proof-of-work signals and data-driven defenses to detect repeat offenders and map fraud supply chains.

11 snips
Feb 5, 2026 • 38min
Why check cashing businesses exist
A deep dive into why cashing a check functions like a brief loan and who ends up paying for that risk. It explores in-person rituals, endorsement tricks, and how clerks use local knowledge to manage fraud. The summary also covers how fintechs and earned-wage products recreate check cashing digitally and why some people still prefer human-facing services.

51 snips
Jan 29, 2026 • 42min
Claude Code makes several thousand dollars in 30 minutes, with Patrick McKenzie
A live coding session shows an LLM navigating APIs across Stripe, Ghost, and email to recover failed subscription payments. They debug dependency conflicts, manage credentials and permissions, and create frictionless payment and sign-in links. The conversation highlights practical engineering trade-offs and the business impact of AI-assisted development.

40 snips
Jan 22, 2026 • 1h 18min
We should stop burning pharma trials’ lab notes, with Ruxandra Teslo
Ruxandra Teslo, a researcher devoted to improving biopharma productivity and founder of the Common Technical Document Project, discusses the rising costs of drug development. She explains how clinical trials represent a significant bottleneck, often exacerbated by lengthy timelines and hidden inefficiencies. Ruxandra advocates for public access to regulatory submissions, suggesting that transparency can bridge the knowledge gap and spur innovation. The conversation highlights how small changes can collectively lead to major advancements in the industry.

45 snips
Jan 15, 2026 • 54min
Your support rep is also trapped in this call, with Des Traynor of Intercom
Des Traynor, co-founder of Intercom, discusses how AI is revolutionizing customer support. He delves into the evolution of their AI agent, Finn, which democratizes high-quality service and reduces repetitive tasks for human agents. The conversation highlights how AI can enhance user interactions, allowing candid exchanges without judgment. Traynor also addresses the changing role of support staff, emphasizing the need for strategic focus rather than routine tasks. He envisions a future where AI automates complex workflows, improving both efficiency and user satisfaction.


