

MAFFEO DRINKS: The Lab
Chris Maffeo
The MAFFEO DRINKS Podcast is a leading drinks business podcast delivering actionable insights for drinks leadership.
For founders, directors, distributor MDs, and hospitality leaders navigating the tension between bottom-up reality and top-down expectations.
20+ years building brands across 30+ markets. Each episode features drinks builders: founders, distributors, commercial directors, sharing how the drinks industry actually works. Not the conference version. Honest conversations.
Insights come from sitting at the bar.
Beyond episodes: advisory for leadership teams, subscription with episode deep dives and principles to navigate your own reality.
Beer, wine, spirits, Low and non-alcoholic.
Bottom-up Insights & Episode Deep Dives at https://maffeodrinks.com
For founders, directors, distributor MDs, and hospitality leaders navigating the tension between bottom-up reality and top-down expectations.
20+ years building brands across 30+ markets. Each episode features drinks builders: founders, distributors, commercial directors, sharing how the drinks industry actually works. Not the conference version. Honest conversations.
Insights come from sitting at the bar.
Beyond episodes: advisory for leadership teams, subscription with episode deep dives and principles to navigate your own reality.
Beer, wine, spirits, Low and non-alcoholic.
Bottom-up Insights & Episode Deep Dives at https://maffeodrinks.com
Episodes
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Nov 14, 2023 • 46min
034 | From the right Bars to the right Wholesalers, Bottom-up | with Gaetano Chiavetta from Everleaf Drinks (London, UK)
Happy 2026. This Episode is hosted by Chris Maffeo and brought to you by MAFFEO DRINKS. A Deep-Dive Analysis of This Episode is Available at maffeodrinks.com Celebrate with us our 3rd anniversary with a special 30% off forever at maffeodrinks.com/anniversary In Episode 034, I spoke to Gaetano Chiavetta. He heads UK & Italy On-trade at Everleaf Drinks | B Corp. He has previously worked for Global Brands and brings Bar Manager and Bartender experience from several On-trade venues in London. I hope you will enjoy our chat.
Time Stamps
(2:26); Building Demand
(7:46); Targeting Via Wholesalers
(17:17); Building Systems For Connection
(26:28); Value of The Cocktail Menu
(29:58); Do The Homework
(39:10); Growing Beyond Your Home Market
(42:12); Contact Gaetano
About The Host: Chris Maffeo
About The Guest: Gaetano Chiavetta
This episode is brought to you by MAFFEO DRINKS, an Advisory helping drinks leaders execute bottom-up growth while managing stakeholder expectations. Celebrate with us our 3rd anniversary with a special 30% off forever at maffeodrinks.com/anniversary

Nov 7, 2023 • 36min
033 | The Bottom-up Trade: aka where to build brands regardless if on or off-trade | Part 2/2 with Julian Marsili, Global Drinks Brand Director (Copenhagen, DK)
Happy 2026. This Episode is hosted by Chris Maffeo and brought to you by MAFFEO DRINKS. A Deep-Dive Analysis of This Episode is Available at maffeodrinks.com Celebrate with us our 3rd anniversary with a special 30% off forever at maffeodrinks.com/anniversary In Episode 033, I continued the conversation I had in episode 032 with Julian Marsili. He is a Global Drinks Brand Director who has many years of experience in the drinks business. He is behind the successful global rejuvenation of the Carlsberg brand, the launch of Alcohol-Free brews and other Portfolio Innovations. He has previously managed Peroni Nastro Azzurro in Italy. I hope you will enjoy our chat.
This is a two part-episode, so Don't forget to listen to episode 032 as well. I hope you will enjoy our chat.
Time Stamps
(00:35); The Bottom-up Trade
(02:45); Target Spaces
(07:23); Recovering Brand Essence
(12:24); Marketeer Disconnection From Trade
(19:57); 1% Everyday
(25:30); Distinctiveness Vs Differentiation
This episode is brought to you by MAFFEO DRINKS, an Advisory helping drinks leaders execute bottom-up growth while managing stakeholder expectations. Celebrate with us our 3rd anniversary with a special 30% off forever at maffeodrinks.com/anniversary

Nov 1, 2023 • 34min
032 | Global Brands are built by Bus Drivers: how managers should look after brands for the next generation | Part 1/2 with Julian Marsili, Global Drinks Brand Director (Copenhagen, DK)
Happy 2026. This Episode is hosted by Chris Maffeo and brought to you by MAFFEO DRINKS. A Deep-Dive Analysis of This Episode is Available at maffeodrinks.com Celebrate with us our 3rd anniversary with a special 30% off forever at maffeodrinks.com/anniversary In Episode 032, I enjoyed speaking to my friend and ex-colleague Julian Marsili. He is a Global Drinks Brand Director with many years of experience in the drinks business. He is behind the successful rejuvenation of the Carlsberg brand globally, the launch of Alcohol-Free brews and other Portfolio Innovations. He has previously managed Peroni Nastro Azzurro in Italy. I hope you will enjoy our chat.
This is a 2 part-episode so Don't forget to listen to episode 033 as well. I hope you will enjoy our chat.
Time Stamps
(1:38); Brand Saliency
(11:57); Maintaining Basics
(17:05); Disconnected From Product
(24:31); Demand Space Vs Target
About the Host
About the Guest
This episode is brought to you by MAFFEO DRINKS, an Advisory helping drinks leaders execute bottom-up growth while managing stakeholder expectations. Celebrate with us our 3rd anniversary with a special 30% off forever at maffeodrinks.com/anniversary

Oct 24, 2023 • 1h 9min
031 | Building brands bottom-up balancing Nordic minimalism with Italian flair | with Joonas Mäkilä, Co-founder of Mother's Milk Beverages (Helsinki, FI & Prague, CZ)
Happy 2026. This Episode is hosted by Chris Maffeo and brought to you by MAFFEO DRINKS. A Deep-Dive Analysis of This Episode is Available at maffeodrinks.com Celebrate with us our 3rd anniversary with a special 30% off forever at maffeodrinks.com/anniversary In episode 031, Chris Maffeo had the honor of meeting in person with Joonas Mäkilä, a close friend and Co-founder of Mother's Milk Beverages, a Spirits Company based in Finland. He is a Finnish Commercial Advisor with two decades of experience in FMCG multinationals, private equity-backed hospitality groups, and other industries. We hope you will enjoy their chat.
This is a video episode if you watch it on Spotify.
About the Host: Chris Maffeo
About the Guest: Joonas Mäkilä
Time Stamps
(2:00); Lingoncello Launch
(9:10); Breaking Into Outlets
(11:50); Taking Advantage of The Back Bar
(13:50); A Outlet Owner's View of Attempted Sales
(18:38); Small & Big Brands
(28:45); Brand Stories
(38:00); Target Occasion > Target Consumer
(40:20); Expand Or Focus Distribution
(50:00) Win at Home
(57:00); Internal Competition
(1:02:35); Cash Efficiency
This episode is brought to you by MAFFEO DRINKS, an Advisory helping drinks leaders execute bottom-up growth while managing stakeholder expectations. Celebrate with us our 3rd anniversary with a special 30% off forever at maffeodrinks.com/anniversary

Oct 17, 2023 • 1h 3min
030 | The Future of Insights is sitting at the bar | with Paul Thomas, Global Insight Director at Beam Suntory (London, UK).
Happy 2026. This Episode is hosted by Chris Maffeo and brought to you by MAFFEO DRINKS. A Deep-Dive Analysis of This Episode is Available at maffeodrinks.com Celebrate with us our 3rd anniversary with a special 30% off forever at maffeodrinks.com/anniversary In episode 030, I had the pleasure of talking to Paul Thomas. He is the Global Head of Shopper Insights at Beam Suntory. He has previously worked for Asahi International, Diageo, Ferrero, and Ipsos. He has an incredible global experience in Drinks Industry Insights. It was a pleasure to discuss it with such pragmatism and common sense. I hope you will enjoy our chat
(00:50); Insights in the Field(13:43); Adapting to Market Conditions(19:40); Chasing Trends; A Very Bad Idea(23:30); Why Do We Have To Chase Gen Z?(34:26); What A Bar Tender Needs To Know About Your Brand(36:18); Penetration Vs Spread(42:47); How Much Localization Is Good?(51:25); Bridging Categories(55:47); Insights At The Bar Level
About The Host: Chris Maffeo
About The Guest: Paul Thomas
This episode is brought to you by MAFFEO DRINKS, an Advisory helping drinks leaders execute bottom-up growth while managing stakeholder expectations. Celebrate with us our 3rd anniversary with a special 30% off forever at maffeodrinks.com/anniversary

Oct 10, 2023 • 54min
029 | Building Bottom-up in the US 3-tier system | with Brian Rosen, Chairman of Growth Beverage (Chicago, IL, USA)
Happy 2026. This Episode is hosted by Chris Maffeo and brought to you by MAFFEO DRINKS. A Deep-Dive Analysis of This Episode is Available at maffeodrinks.com Celebrate with us our 3rd anniversary with a special 30% off forever at maffeodrinks.com/anniversary In Episode 029, I had the pleasure of chatting to Brian Rosen. He is the Chairman of Growth Beverage and Founder of InvestBev, Sprout Beverage, Bev Strat and Algoma Capital. He has decades of experience in building drinks brands in the US. He gave us incredible insights about the dynamics of the US market. I hope you will enjoy our chat.
Time Stamps
(5:08) How To Spend Money Effectively(12:28) Building Demand Effectively(15:04) Home Court Advantage(18:39) Doing The Boring Stuff(27:35) Running Out of Money(31:25) Breaking Into The US(40:00) Demand Generation
About the Guest: Brian Rosen
This episode is brought to you by MAFFEO DRINKS, an Advisory helping drinks leaders execute bottom-up growth while managing stakeholder expectations. Celebrate with us our 3rd anniversary with a special 30% off forever at maffeodrinks.com/anniversary

Oct 3, 2023 • 57min
028 | Bottle Shops before Bars: starting at the liquid and work back towards the brand | with Duncan McRae, Co-Founder of Woven (Adelaide, Australia)
Happy 2026. This Episode is hosted by Chris Maffeo and brought to you by MAFFEO DRINKS. A Deep-Dive Analysis of This Episode is Available at maffeodrinks.com Celebrate with us our 3rd anniversary with a special 30% off forever at maffeodrinks.com/anniversary In Episode 028, I had the pleasure of chatting with Duncan McRae, Co-founder of Woven Whisky and a Drinks industry veteran, having previously worked with William Grant's & Sons and Diageo. A living example of Building Brands Bottom Up. I hope you enjoy our chat.
Main Topics Discussed:
(00:00) Building Demand
(03:08) Brand Awareness
(08:58) Managing Relationships
(10:44) KPI's & Incentives
(13:46) "Blue Tick Moments": Becoming Known in the Ecosystem
(15:40) Bottle Shops vs. On-Trade Growth
(26:46) It starts with the liquid
(32:00) Adapting Your Sales Pitch
(37:52) Better Brand Training
(44:35) Taste Profile before categories
(52:00) Special Pours & Drawbacks
About the Host: Chris Maffeo
About the Guest: Duncan McRae
About the product: Woven
This episode is brought to you by MAFFEO DRINKS, an Advisory helping drinks leaders execute bottom-up growth while managing stakeholder expectations. Celebrate with us our 3rd anniversary with a special 30% off forever at maffeodrinks.com/anniversary

Sep 26, 2023 • 1h 11min
027 | Steven Grasse | Brand Mysticism: how to create winning brands from the bottom-up | Hendrick's Gin, Sailor Jerry Rum, Guinness, Miller High Life
Happy 2026. This Episode is hosted by Chris Maffeo and brought to you by MAFFEO DRINKS. A Deep-Dive Analysis of This Episode is Available at maffeodrinks.com Celebrate with us our 3rd anniversary with a special 30% off forever at maffeodrinks.com/anniversary In episode 027 I had the honor of interviewing Steven Grasse. He is the founder of the renowned agency Quaker City Mercantile and of Tamworth Distilling. He is a legend in the drinks industry, having created brands such as Hendrick's gin, Sailor Jerry Rum, and having crafted great rebirths such as Pilsner Urquell, Guinness, and Miller High Life. I hope you will enjoy our chat.Main Topics Discussed:0 to 1 Bottle:- Differentiating Liquid- Why Not to Chase Trends- Bridging Categories through Taste Profile1 Bottle to 1 Case:- Building a Rich Brand World- The Importance of Rituals- Choosing Partners & Distributors1 Case to 1 Pallet- On, Off-Trade and State Monopolies- Institutional Knowledge- Award ShowAbout The Host: Chris MaffeoAbout The Guest: Steven Grasse
This episode is brought to you by MAFFEO DRINKS, an Advisory helping drinks leaders execute bottom-up growth while managing stakeholder expectations. Celebrate with us our 3rd anniversary with a special 30% off forever at maffeodrinks.com/anniversary

Sep 19, 2023 • 42min
026 | Balancing Love & Money: how to build value for all the links of the value chain | Part 2/2 with Maurice Doyle, CEO of Compass Box Whisky (London, UK)
Happy 2026. This Episode is hosted by Chris Maffeo and brought to you by MAFFEO DRINKS. A Deep-Dive Analysis of This Episode is Available at maffeodrinks.com Celebrate with us our 3rd anniversary with a special 30% off forever at maffeodrinks.com/anniversary This is the second part of the chat with Maurice Doyle, CEO of Compass Box Whisky. He is a business coach and brings 3 decades of industry experience, having held senior leadership roles at Bacardi, William Grant & Sons and Suntory. I hope you will enjoy our chat.
Main Topics Discussed:0 to 1 Bottle
-Figuring out pricing
-Back bar analysis
-Targeting the right bars
1 Bottle to 1 Case
-Cocktail opportunities in bars
-Strengthening customer-brand relationships (Love & Money)
-Creating volume focused KPIs
1 Case to 1 Pallet
-Beyond the back bar
-Ironing out the value chain
-Incentivizing your value chain
About the Host: Chris Maffeo
About the Guest: Maurice Doyle
This episode is brought to you by MAFFEO DRINKS, an Advisory helping drinks leaders execute bottom-up growth while managing stakeholder expectations. Celebrate with us our 3rd anniversary with a special 30% off forever at maffeodrinks.com/anniversary

Sep 12, 2023 • 42min
025 | Starting from the Taste Profile: when liquids transcend categories and solve a customer's need. | Part 1/2 with Maurice Doyle, CEO of Compass Box Whisky (London, UK)
Happy 2026. This Episode is hosted by Chris Maffeo and brought to you by MAFFEO DRINKS. A Deep-Dive Analysis of This Episode is Available at maffeodrinks.com Celebrate with us our 3rd anniversary with a special 30% off forever at maffeodrinks.com/anniversary This is the first part of the chat with Maurice Doyle. He's the CEO of Compass Box Whisky. He's a coach and brings three decades of industry experience, having held senior leadership roles at Bacardi, William Grant and Sons and Suntory. I hope you will enjoy our chat.
Main Topics Discussed:
From 0 to 1 Bottle
- Conceiving of your brand
- Differentiating yourself
- Why people drink
From 1 Bottle to 1 Case
- Building Demand Efficiently
- The importance of repeat consumers
- The value of On-Trade
From 1 Case to 1 Pallet
- Expanding your drinks range
- The power of consistency
- Always think of the second sale
About the Host: Chris Maffeo
About the Guest: Maurice Doyle
This episode is brought to you by MAFFEO DRINKS, an Advisory helping drinks leaders execute bottom-up growth while managing stakeholder expectations. Celebrate with us our 3rd anniversary with a special 30% off forever at maffeodrinks.com/anniversary


