Savage Perspective Podcast

Greg just got back from Las Vegas, and we kicked things off swapping stories from his trip. He hit up the legendary Dragon’s Lair gym — all red and black, packed with Arsenal equipment, and complete with a lobby full of keto-friendly meal prep and supplements. He even linked up with Joe Davis, who was out there competing at the Olympia. Greg also caught The Eagles live at the Sphere, which sounded absolutely insane — a full 360-degree visual experience that blew him away. Oh, and he hit a jackpot on Fremont Street, so the trip practically paid for itself.He stayed pretty tight with his nutrition while traveling, keeping it keto the whole time but loosening up on tracking macros. He even found a legit keto bakery called Starburst Parlor where everything was made from scratch with clean ingredients — cookies, donuts, pizza, ice cream, all made right. He came home feeling good, no crash, no regrets, and a much-needed mental reset after months of strict prep.Now that he’s back, it’s time to get back in routine — back to Ozark, back to structure, and back into the reverse diet. He’s about 15 pounds up from show weight and already sweating out the travel bloat. We talked about setting up a solid offseason plan: structured training, progressive overload, and adding a belt squat/functional trainer to round out the gym. Both of us are fired up to make 2026 a big building year.We also tossed around ideas for a Live Savage “Meat and Mud” retreat — a Tough Mudder weekend in Austin with the crew, plenty of hard work followed by a big meat feast. On top of that, we’re locking in next year’s competition dates, teasing a brand-new Keto Brick flavor, and rolling out a new software system to keep the business running smoother than ever.I’ve got some homestead projects rolling too — planning to bring in a few pigs, maybe film the process too. Between that, Squirrel Camp, and all the Keto Brick projects behind the scenes, things are busy in the best possible way.The team’s growing, the systems are tightening up, and the vision’s getting sharper every week. Big things are coming — for Live Savage, for Keto Brick, and for everyone walking this path with us.Greg Mahler is also a lifetime natural bodybuilder, and can be followed on Instagramhttps://www.instagram.com/ketogreg80/Register For My FREE Masterclass: https://www.ketobodybuilding.com/registration-2Get Keto Brick: https://www.ketobrick.com/Subscribe to the podcast: https://open.spotify.com/show/42cjJssghqD01bdWBxRYEg?si=1XYKmPXmR4eKw2O9gGCEuQ

Did you know that 50% of the US water supply is contaminated with "forever chemicals" that you can't detox from your body? These invisible toxins, along with hidden mold in your home, could be the real reason for your chronic fatigue, brain fog, and mystery illnesses. In episode 821 of the Savage Perspective Podcast, host Robert Sikes sits down with Dr. Kelly McCann to expose the shocking truths about how environmental toxins are silently harming your health. Dr. McCann reveals the surprising connection between past trauma, chronic infections like Lyme disease, and conditions such as Mast Cell Activation Syndrome. Discover why your house might be making you sick and learn practical, actionable steps to clean up your environment, build resilience, and reclaim your health and vitality.Are you ready to build a resilient body that can withstand these environmental threats? Join Robert’s FREE Bodybuilding Masterclass to learn the foundations of creating a strong and optimized physique. Sign up here: https://www.ketobodybuilding.com/registration-2Get Keto Brick: https://www.ketobrick.com/Subscribe to the podcast: https://open.spotify.com/show/42cjJssghqD01bdWBxRYEg?si=1XYKmPXmR4eKw2O9gGCEuQChapters:0:00 - Are You Being Poisoned By Your Home? 0:50 - Why a Doctor Specialized in "Mystery Illnesses" 2:47 - A Doctor's Personal Battle with Toxic Mold 3:55 - When It's More Than Mold: Uncovering Lyme & Mast Cell Syndrome 5:19 - What Is Mast Cell Activation Syndrome (MCAS)? 6:07 - How Your Immune System Can Turn Against You 7:34 - Why Your Body's "Alarm System" Won't Turn Off 8:20 - The Shocking Link Between Trauma and Chronic Illness 10:06 - How Emotional Trauma Physically Changes Your Cells 13:17 - Is Your Body Sending You Secret Messages? 15:30 - How Holding Back The Truth Can Manifest as Cancer 19:10 - What Your Doctor Won't Tell You About Chronic Inflammation 19:55 - A 2-Step Approach to Healing Chronic Illness 20:38 - How to Calm an Overactive Immune System (MCAS Treatment) 22:02 - How To Activate Your Vagus Nerve for Instant Calm 23:59 - Can You Retrain Your Brain to Heal Your Body? 25:45 - Why Your Primary Doctor Can't Solve Your "Mystery" Symptoms 28:49 - Is Chronic Illness on the Rise? A Doctor Explains Why 31:27 - The "Forever Chemicals" You Can't Detox From Your Body 33:07 - Is Your House Making You Sick? (Modern Building Issues) 36:41 - Is The Mold In Your Bathroom Dangerous? 38:52 - How to Test Your Home for Toxic Mold 42:05 - The Biggest Mistake People Make When Cleaning Mold 43:25 - Does Your Coffee Contain Hidden Mold Toxins? 44:10 - How Serious is a Tick Bite? The Truth About Lyme Disease 46:43 - The Long-Term Dangers of Environmental Toxin Exposure 49:20 - Are Your Clothes Making You Sick? (The Dangers of Polyester) 52:22 - The Link Between Plastics and Low Testosterone 55:11 - How to Start Detoxing Your Life (Without Feeling Overwhelmed) 56:14 - How Technology & Blue Light Are Destroying Your Sleep 59:21 - A Doctor's #1 Tip for Reducing Toxin Exposure 1:01:04 - How to Build Spiritual Resilience Against Physical Illness 1:02:47 - A Simple Practice to Reconnect With Your Authentic Self 1:05:39 - Where to Find Dr. Kelly McCann

Imagine being told that the key to healing your body is to eat ultra-processed junk food. In episode 820 of the Savage Perspective Podcast, host Robert Sikes sits down with Lexi Noel, a 19-year-old entrepreneur who shares her incredible story of overcoming an anorexia diagnosis at age 13. Lexi discusses how she rejected a dietitian's advice and instead found healing and mental clarity by researching ingredients and embracing a diet of nourishing, whole foods. This conversation explores the deep connection between nutrition and mental health, her journey to becoming a viral social media influencer, and how she built a life of freedom and confidence by changing what she eats.Ready to build a powerful physique with a nutrition plan that works? Join Robert’s FREE Bodybuilding Masterclass to learn the proven strategies for gaining muscle and achieving your fitness goals. Register here: https://www.ketobodybuilding.com/registration-2Follow Lexi on IG: https://www.instagram.com/lexinoelvGet Keto Brick: https://www.ketobrick.com/Subscribe to the podcast: https://open.spotify.com/show/42cjJssghqD01bdWBxRYEg?si=1XYKmPXmR4eKw2O9gGCEuQChapters:0:00 - A Dietitian's Shocking Advice for Anorexia 0:45 - Why a 19-Year-Old Is Obsessed With Nutrition 2:12 - The Truth About Junk Food & Mental Health 4:11 - The Unexpected Cause of Her Anorexia 5:10 - Surviving on 500 Calories a Day at Age 13 7:00 - The Mental Toll of Extreme Calorie Restriction 8:26 - Using the Scale as a Proxy for Progress 9:23 - How She Weighed 68 lbs at Age 13 10:18 - How Her Parents Handled Her Eating Disorder 12:42 - Why "Everything in Moderation" Is Bad Advice 13:41 - The "Lexi Diet": Her Current Nutrition Philosophy 15:15 - What Her Friends Thought of Her Anorexia 16:37 - How to Shift Your Mindset & Embrace Eating More 18:53 - When She Started Her Viral Social Media Journey 19:52 - What Are the Best Grocery Stores for Healthy Food? 20:44 - Where to Find High-Quality Raw Milk & Meat 21:22 - The Healthy Ingredients in Her Baked Goods 22:27 - What She Does for Fitness Now (Running, Rucking) 24:06 - The Future of Her Viral "Grocery Swap" Videos 25:22 - Does She Have Her Life Figured Out at 19? 26:16 - Her Future Goal: Opening a Raw Milk Latte Shop 27:29 - Are Her Siblings Also Focused on Nutrition? 28:59 - Why She Chose a Health Coach Certification Over College 29:52 - Dealing With Alcohol & Peer Pressure at 19 30:51 - Which Social Media Platform Is the Most Brutal? 31:51 - Has She Swapped One Eating Disorder for Another? 33:34 - How She Manages All Her Social Media by Herself 34:28 - Why She Knew She Wasn't Going to College 35:28 - Where to Follow Lexi Noel

This week we’re recapping an absolutely incredible weekend at the inaugural 2025 Natural State Savages bodybuilding competition. Greg walked away with first place in Masters Classic Physique and earned his WNBF pro card—at 45 years old, no less! He also placed fourth in a stacked open class, proving just how competitive the show was.We share what it felt like both behind the scenes and on stage—how smooth everything ran, the camaraderie backstage, and why this show already feels like it’s set a new standard. From professional photography and packed audiences to legit swag bags and even a smoked barbecue feast for competitors, judges, and fans, we pulled out all the stops to make this first show unforgettable.We dive into the prep, the nutrition strategy that kept Greg full and sharp without the typical carb crashes, and why keto continues to shine as a bodybuilding approach. We also reflect on the emotional side—hearing competitors and tribe members share their experiences, watching first-timers step on stage with pride, and seeing the confidence and life transformation that comes from putting yourself through this challenge.This wasn’t just a competition—it was a community event, a celebration, and the start of something that’s only going to get bigger. 2026 is already on the horizon, and we can’t wait to make it even better.Greg Mahler is also a lifetime natural bodybuilder, and can be followed on Instagramhttps://www.instagram.com/ketogreg80/Register For My FREE Masterclass: https://www.ketobodybuilding.com/registration-2Get Keto Brick: https://www.ketobrick.com/Subscribe to the podcast: https://open.spotify.com/show/42cjJssghqD01bdWBxRYEg?si=1XYKmPXmR4eKw2O9gGCEuQ

What if your own body turned against you, making you allergic to life itself? Don Dillon's career as a Navy officer was destroyed by a mysterious illness that caused hundreds of seizures, a battle that shows what real mental toughness is. In episode 819 of the Savage Perspective Podcast, host Robert Sikes talks with Don about his journey from a failed medical system to discovering the ketogenic diet. They discuss how Don used biohacking and a carnivore diet to rebuild his health and stop his seizures for good. This conversation covers how to build discipline when facing impossible odds and how Don developed a new food manufacturing process using soundwave technology to help others.If Don's story on building a strong body inspires you, then join Robert’s FREE Bodybuilding Masterclass. This is your chance to learn the exact diet and training methods to build a powerful physique. Sign up here: https://www.ketobodybuilding.com/registration-2Get Keto Brick: https://www.ketobrick.com/Subscribe to the podcast: https://open.spotify.com/show/42cjJssghqD01bdWBxRYEg?si=1XYKmPXmR4eKw2O9gGCEuQChapters:0:00 - From Military Seizure to a Ketogenic Diet 0:50 - Why I Chose the Navy Over a PhD 2:23 - My Role as a Navy Surface Warfare Officer 4:21 - The Seizure That Ended My Military Career 7:25 - "Allergic to Life": The Shocking Cause of My Seizures 9:00 - The Alternative Treatment That Stopped My Severe Seizures 10:13 - Why Doctors Prescribed Drugs, Not Diet 11:49 - How I Found the Ketogenic Diet On My Own 13:01 - The Modified Ketogenic Diet I Used to Stop Seizures 14:10 - The Specific Nutrients That Changed My Life 15:10 - Is Military Food Nutritious? A Look at MREs 16:46 - What Is Soundwave Technology in Food Manufacturing? 18:48 - How to Commercialize a New Food Technology 20:00 - The Mission: Bringing Joy Back to Biohacking 21:25 - How Soundwave Technology Actually Works 22:57 - The Mind Bar: A Nootropic You Can Eat 24:41 - How to Design the Perfect Pre-Game NFL Snack 25:55 - The Brutal Reality of In-House Food Manufacturing 27:05 - Navigating the Cacao Crisis: A Switch to Beef Tallow 28:24 - Can You Build Muscle on a Ketogenic Diet? 28:48 - The Biggest Myth About Long-Term Keto 31:40 - How Long-Term Carnivore Affects Health 32:23 - What a Daily Carnivore Diet Looks Like 34:16 - Do Low-Carb Vegetables Cause Inflammation? 35:20 - Why I Switched to a Mostly Carnivore Diet 36:00 - The Dangers of Too Much Protein on a Keto Diet 38:37 - How to Determine Your Daily Fat to Protein Ratio 40:01 - What is Your Unique Protein Threshold? 41:08 - How We're Marketing a New Biohacking Product 43:21 - Should You Attend the Hack Your Health Conference? 44:14 - Raising Resilient Kids Through Adversity 46:02 - The Challenges of Being a Father and Entrepreneur 48:47 - The Future of Food Technology: Sound Bars & Keto Bricks 49:24 - Where to Find Sound.Food Products

Are you wired to be soft? Discover how choosing the harder path physically rewires your brain’s “grit center” for unbreakable mental toughness and discipline. In episode 818 of the Savage Perspective Podcast, host Robert Sikes sits down with author and high performance coach Ryan Munsey to explore the raw truths of building true strength. They discuss how simple daily choices, like taking the stairs, forge the discipline needed for entrepreneurship, leadership, and even intense backcountry hunting. Learn why the ketogenic diet is an incredible tool for endurance and how to balance the relentless drive for success with being a present husband and father. This conversation provides a real world guide to winning the battle in your mind and building a life of purpose and integrity.Ready to build the physical foundation that supports a disciplined mind? Join Robert’s FREE Bodybuilding Masterclass and learn the simple, effective strategies to get in your best shape. Sign up here: https://www.ketobodybuilding.com/registration-2Follow Ryan on IG: https://www.instagram.com/ryanmunsey_/Get Keto Brick: https://www.ketobrick.com/Subscribe to the podcast: https://open.spotify.com/show/42cjJssghqD01bdWBxRYEg?si=1XYKmPXmR4eKw2O9gGCEuQChapters:0:00 - The Science of Building GRIT & Mental Toughness 0:51 - How to Maintain a Lean Physique Year-Round 1:20 - The Best Way to Train for Hunting Season 2:02 - Planning a Backcountry Elk Hunt 3:02 - Why Most People Underestimate Mountain Hunting 3:50 - Is Hunting in a Deer Stand a "Real" Sport? 4:42 - Backcountry Hunting vs. Base Camp: Which is Better? 5:52 - A Hunter's Guide to Finding Water in the Wild 7:00 - The Life-Changing Power of a Wilderness Detox 8:31 - What to Eat on a Backcountry Keto Hunt 9:05 - Why Keto Is a "Cheat Code" for Physical Endurance 11:51 - A Sneak Peek at Ryan Munsey's New Book 12:46 - The Journey of a 100,000-Copy Bestseller 15:26 - A Practical Framework for Winning Your Inner Battles 16:03 - Is Society Too Soft? Discussing "The Comfort Crisis" 17:47 - Simple Daily Habits to Build Unbreakable Discipline 20:48 - How to Strengthen the "Grit Center" of Your Brain 22:05 - How Ambitious People Can Justify Rest & Relaxation 24:58 - The CEO's Guide to Energy Management 26:38 - The Entrepreneur's Dilemma: Work vs. Family 28:32 - Why CEOs Must Let Go of the Daily Grind to Grow 30:18 - How Your Calendar Reveals Your True Priorities 31:22 - The Best Method for Capturing Business Ideas 33:16 - 8 Years of Business: Lessons in Integrity & Peace 36:20 - How to Grow Profits Without Sacrificing Quality 39:37 - A Founder's True Definition of Success (It's Not Money) 40:42 - Are Big Conferences or Intimate Retreats More Valuable? 42:15 - A High-Performer's Daily Routine for Success 45:13 - Why Every Man Should Own His Own Land 47:04 - Is Instinctive Shooting the Ultimate Therapy? 48:00 - The #1 Strategy for Preventing Founder Burnout 49:48 - New Keto Brick Flavors Revealed 51:45 - How a Supply Chain Crisis Led to a Better Product 55:53 - The Perfect Carnivore Hunting & Travel Snack 57:15 - How to Legally Hunt Deer 6 Months a Year 59:34 - Who Do You Live For? An Honest Talk on Motivation 1:04:18 - Knife Debate: Replaceable Blade vs. Fixed Blade for Hunting

This week’s episode is short and sweet because it’s peak week and the show is right around the corner. Greg’s feeling all the prep fatigue - hungry, irritable, and sore - but also the leanest and best he’s ever looked. We talk about how to bounce back after slip-ups, why you don’t “slash all four tires” when you get a flat, and how consistency pays off.We share some behind-the-scenes details about the inaugural show: we hit our goal of 30 competitors, stacked pro-qualifying classes, and even a live stream for those who can’t attend in person. It’s been stressful, sleep-deprived, and expensive, but we’re making this first year unforgettable so it can only grow from here.On a personal note, I talk about my sleep struggles, using a chili pad to stay cool at night, and even building a chicken yard in the rain while sore and exhausted. We also go over Greg’s peak week plan - cardio taper, show-day nutrition with fatty coffees, bacon, eggs, and timed bricks, plus electrolytes and creatine.Finally, we look ahead to the offseason build. Stage photos will be huge for tracking progress and weak points, and the tribe calls are going to shift into structured reverse dieting and growth. No matter the results this weekend, I’m proud of Greg for pushing through, helping run the show, and setting the stage for an incredible building year ahead.Greg Mahler is also a lifetime natural bodybuilder, and can be followed on Instagramhttps://www.instagram.com/ketogreg80/Register For My FREE Masterclass: https://www.ketobodybuilding.com/registration-2Get Keto Brick: https://www.ketobrick.com/Subscribe to the podcast: https://open.spotify.com/show/42cjJssghqD01bdWBxRYEg?si=1XYKmPXmR4eKw2O9gGCEuQ

Discover how eating only ultra-processed foods for 30 days can tank your testosterone by 30% and cause a 5.5x increase in dangerous visceral fat, even when calories and weight stay the same. In episode 817 of the Savage Perspective Podcast, your host Robert Sikes sits down with Throne founder Scott Hickle to reveal the shocking truth about how the standard American diet impacts your hormones, gut health, and mood. Scott shares the results of his 30-day experiment, discusses the future of health tracking, and explains how analyzing your poop can provide incredible insights into your body's performance and help detect hidden diseases like colon cancer.Want to build a stronger, healthier body? Join Robert’s FREE Bodybuilding Masterclass to learn the exact methods to optimize your nutrition and training. Sign up here: https://www.ketobodybuilding.com/registration-2Follow Scott on IG: https://www.instagram.com/scotthickleGet Keto Brick: https://www.ketobrick.com/Subscribe to the podcast: https://open.spotify.com/show/42cjJssghqD01bdWBxRYEg?si=1XYKmPXmR4eKw2O9gGCEuQChapters:0:00 - How Ultra-Processed Food KILLS Your Testosterone 0:46 - Meet the Man Who Invented the "Whoop for Your Poop" 1:42 - How a Poker Night Joke Became a Health Tech Startup 2:56 - Why Doctors Secretly Hate Getting Pictures of Your Poop 4:06 - The Untapped Health Data Hidden in Your Toilet Bowl 5:14 - What Is the Bristol Stool Chart & How Does It Work? 6:13 - How to Find Your Food Triggers (The Automated Way) 7:16 - We Paid Gastroenterologists to Label THOUSANDS of Poop Photos 8:06 - Is STRESS or DIET Worse For Your Gut Health? 10:14 - My 30-Day Ultra-Processed Food Experiment (The Rules) 12:52 - The REAL Effect of Sugar on Your Mood & Energy 15:51 - How a Processed Food Diet TANKED My Testosterone by 30% 17:26 - The Hidden Danger of Visceral Fat (And How to Measure It) 19:12 - Are You Eating The Standard American Diet? (The Uncomfortable Truth) 20:02 - What 3200 Calories of Junk Food Actually Looks Like 21:58 - The Day Energy Gels Almost Made Me Crash My Car 24:15 - My Testosterone Levels After 30 Days of Junk Food (The Exact Numbers) 25:00 - Did 30 Days of Junk Food Destroy My Cholesterol? 25:56 - Did I Lose Muscle Eating Only Processed Food? (DEXA Results) 27:02 - How a Junk Food Diet Made Me "Radiate Bad Energy" 28:33 - Whoop vs. Aura vs. Levels: Which Health Tracker is Best? 29:45 - The Single Best Feature in Wearable Health Tech Today 32:17 - Is Microbiome Testing a Waste of Money? 37:44 - How a Junk Food Diet Impacts Your Strength in the Gym 40:43 - The #1 WORST Processed Food I Ate 42:34 - What Does the "Perfect" Poop Look Like? 44:49 - The Most Common Poop Problem Affecting 40 Million Americans 46:52 - How This Smart Toilet ACTUALLY Works 49:54 - How to Measure Your Prostate Health at Home 52:14 - What Happens if You Poop in a Different Toilet? 54:41 - The Business of Poop: Building a Viral Health Company 57:26 - The Ultimate Goal: A "Smoke Detector" for Colon Cancer 59:01 - Where to Find the Throne Smart Toilet

Is the future of performance enhancement creating 350-pound genetic mutant bodybuilders? In episode 816 of the Savage Perspective Podcast, host Robert Sikes sits down with peptide expert Jay Campbell to reveal the shocking truth about new fat loss drugs, controversial fasting methods, and the future of human potential. They explore how new peptides are changing muscle growth and fat loss forever and discuss why most of what you know about nutrition might be completely wrong.Want to learn how to build an elite physique with proven, no-nonsense methods? Join Robert’s FREE Bodybuilding Masterclass today to get the exact strategies for building muscle and achieving your ideal body composition. Register here: https://www.ketobodybuilding.com/registration-2Follow Jay on IG: https://www.instagram.com/jaycampbell333/Get Keto Brick: https://www.ketobrick.com/Subscribe to the podcast: https://open.spotify.com/show/42cjJssghqD01bdWBxRYEg?si=1XYKmPXmR4eKw2O9gGCEuQChapters:0:00 - What Are Peptides and How Do They Work? 0:44 - Guest Intro: Performance Expert Jay Campbell 1:34 - What is The Fruit & Sugar Fast for Fat Loss? 3:51 - Why Modern Nutrition is So Confusing 5:46 - Is AI Making Society Less Intelligent? 7:23 - How AI Will Divide Society in the Future 9:47 - A Beginner's Guide to Peptides 13:42 - New Peptide Delivery Systems (Beyond Injections) 17:58 - Are Peptides Legal & Regulated by the FDA? 23:58 - How Are Peptides Manufactured? 27:09 - Why Peptide Manufacturing is Moving to the USA 32:50 - The Future of Bodybuilding & Performance Enhancement 39:12 - Should Natural Bodybuilders Use Peptides? 41:04 - Can Peptides Increase Longevity and Healthspan? 46:34 - Do GLP-1 "Easy Button" Fat Loss Drugs Work? 52:25 - How To Lead by Example for Your Children 1:00:17 - Jay Campbell on His Passion & Purpose 1:02:30 - 10 Life-Changing Questions to Ask Yourself 1:05:41 - Where to Find Jay Campbell's Work

We kick off with positive Monday energy and a real talk moment from Greg. After a long weekend and some creeping anxiety, he polished off way too many calories in minutes—think bricks, pork rinds, protein shakes—the whole spiral. We don’t sugarcoat it, and we don’t glamorize “fixing” it either. No punishment cardio. No crash corrections. Own it, hydrate, move, learn, and get right back on plan. The mental game of prep is often the hardest part, and this was a good reminder that discipline includes how you respond when you slip.On the community front, I just got back from the Low Carb for Better Health conference in Burns, TN—great people, great questions, and a solid lineup of talks. Back home, huge congrats to our crew: Ralph stepped on stage for the first time at 63 and crushed it, and our friend (and client) Joe continues to level up with his sights on the Amateur Olympia. Seeing the camaraderie backstage and in the crowd shows why we love this sport.Quick show update: our own Natural State Savages event is September 27. Registration closes Sunday at midnight so we can lock in peak week details. We’ve got pro-qualifying numbers in several classes, the medals and swag are dialed, and we’ve built something at the end of the show you won’t want to miss. Also in the kitchen: Buttered Maple Pecan season is on—last weekend’s cacao butter-based drop followed by a tallow version Buttered Maple Pecan dropping this Sunday—plus a broad restock on bricks with a special new flavor coming in October. Next week we’ll dive into peak week nutrition, smart ways to handle celebratory meals, and Robert’s next experiment (hint: a lot of canned fish).Greg Mahler is also a lifetime natural bodybuilder, and can be followed on Instagramhttps://www.instagram.com/ketogreg80/Register For My FREE Masterclass: https://www.ketobodybuilding.com/registration-2Get Keto Brick: https://www.ketobrick.com/Subscribe to the podcast: https://open.spotify.com/show/42cjJssghqD01bdWBxRYEg?si=1XYKmPXmR4eKw2O9gGCEuQ