

The Dispatch Podcast
The Dispatch
Host Steve Hayes is joined by Jonah Goldberg, Megan McArdle and guests for a thoughtful discussion on politics, policy and culture.
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Mar 17, 2021 • 1h 25min
Migrant Surge at the Border
In a St. Patrick’s Day edition of The Dispatch Podcast, Sarah, Steve, Scott, and Declan start off today’s discussion with the ongoing migrant crisis at the border. Plus, the gang explains how while most of the conservative world was talking about Dr. Seuss and Pepe le Pew, Democrats jammed through the biggest advancement of the welfare state since LBJ’s administration. Scott points out, “When you really dig into the details you see Democrats laying the groundwork for a very substantial increase in the welfare state, and in ways that Democrats have long wanted.” And, what’s the fallout after a Biden administration official actually spoke strongly against the North Korean regime?
Show Notes:
-The latest GOP attack on Biden has a huge hole in it - Greg Sargent/Washington Post
-Four people matching terror watchlist arrested at border - Axios
-'Migrant president' Biden stirs Mexican angst over boom time for gangs - Reuters
-Leaked NRSC polling data on immigration
-Scott’s latest Capitolism newsletter
-Conservatives Drift Leftward in the Plan to Rescue America - Ryan Streeter
-Biden officials comments on North Korea
-Biden Risks Repeating Mistakes of the Past if He Ignores the Evidence on Iran - The Dispatch
-Declan’s TMD item on filibuster reform
-Scott’s “Gridlock is good!” newsletter
-The Dispatch March Madness Tournament
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Mar 12, 2021 • 1h 10min
Always. Be. Shilling.
For the first time on The Dispatch Podcast, author of the Capitolism newsletter and neoliberal shill extraordinaire Scott Lincicome joins Sarah and Declan. On topics ranging from free-market fundamentalism to the crazy world of semiconductors, Scott brings his expertise to break it all down. As he says on today’s episode, “You know, Glengarry Glen Ross? It’s Always. Be. Shilling. … I will literally make any issue about trade and markets. It doesn’t matter what, whether it’s the chicken sandwich wars … or cheap T-shirts.” To cap it off, Scott speaks to being the reigning champion of the “Neoliberalism Shill'' tournament.
Show Notes:
-“Capitolism” newsletter
-Scott’s Cato bio
-Scott’s Twitter profile
-Scott’s latest Cato paper “Manufactured Crisis”
-Declan’s piece on semiconductors in TMD
-Scott’s article on semiconductors
-Vote your conscience in this year’s Neoliberal Shill Tournament
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Mar 10, 2021 • 1h 19min
The Battle Over H.R. 1
Congressional Democrats’ omnibus voting rights, campaign finance, and ethics bill, H.R. 1—also known as the “For the People Act”—passed in the House last week, and our hosts are here for the breakdown. Stay tuned to hear the gang chat about retirements in the GOP Senate, whether arguments about cancel culture are trumping more substantive public policy debates, and a surprise tabloid-y topic you won’t want to miss!
Show Notes:
-Democrats’ For the People Act and Republicans’ Save Democracy Act.
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Mar 5, 2021 • 59min
The Once and Future Right
The Dispatch’s associate editor and Morning Dispatch guru Declan Garvey joins Sarah to ask Oren Cass what his mission is with American Compass, a center-right organization of which he is the executive director. Cass thinks it’s time the conservative movement reforms itself and he is trying to do so from within. Cass says, “What has been missing from American politics and policy making is a conservatism that takes seriously the ways that public policy could really take on and address failures in our markets and things that are not going well in the economy.” Chief among the issues debated in this episode is Sen. Mitt Romney’s new child allowance proposal. The trio also discusses what Donald Trump’s lasting legacy will be in the Republican Party, and what it would mean for the party if he won again.
Show Notes:
-American Compass website
-“The Once and Future Worker” by Oren Cass
-Sen. Mitt Romney’s child allowance plan
-Oren Cass’ op-ed in the New York Times
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Mar 3, 2021 • 1h 12min
The Politics of Relief
The Senate is set to debate the Biden administration’s COVID-19 relief package this week, and today the gang talks about the politics of getting it passed. Steve posits the administration’s strategy is more focused on public opinion, rather than what Republicans want: “They say ‘we care about bipartisanship outside the beltway, not inside the beltway.’” Along with the relief bill, the group discusses the ongoing situation in Afghanistan and debates whether an “endless war” in the country is a good idea or a bad one. Jonah and Sarah disagree on how important voting actually is. And finally, some good old-fashioned election punditry. The hosts talk about the strategy memo that came out from the GOP on how to retake the House in 2022.
Show Notes:
-The Remnant with Michael Strain
-Morning Consult polling on COVID stimulus
-“Last Exit From Afghanistan” by Dexter Firkins
-SCOTUSblog write up of the Arizona voting rights case
-House GOP 2022 strategy memo
-Democratic Party autopsy - New York magazine
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Feb 25, 2021 • 1h 4min
Coronavirus and the Return to Normalcy
Is the Biden administration bungling their Covid-19 and vaccine messaging? As Steve put it to Jonah, “It’s awfully cynical of you to suggest that what they’re doing is withholding information because they want to pass their emergency relief bill, and you’re absolutely right to be that cynical.” Also up for discussion: why Xavier Becerra should have been the Biden nominee to have gotten the Neera Tanden treatment instead of Neera Tanden, U.S. relations with Iran and why Republicans who are not Trump loyalists cannot simply turn into Democrats.
Show Notes:
-The Case Against Xavier Becerra - The Dispatch’s David French
-Audacity: How Barack Obama Defied His Critics and Created a Legacy That Will Prevail - Jonathan Chait
-What about Joe? - Bill Kristol
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Feb 24, 2021 • 52min
Mitt Romney Has a Plan
Hot off of his latest policy proposal, Sen. Mitt Romney joins the podcast to discuss his and Sen. Tom Cotton’s plan to raise the minimum wage, a proposal that also mandates that businesses use E-verify to prevent the hiring of undocumented workers. Sarah asks him about partisanship in the Senate, what he thinks of the current state of the Republican Party, and whether he’ll start a third party. He said, “There’s no question I’m in the minority of the Republican party these days. … A lot of people talk about ‘Why don’t you start a third party?’ That’s just not realistic.” Then, the gang breaks down the interview. Everyone agrees that it’s nice to finally be talking about policy again. They also explore why Romney (and some others) is committed to staying in the Republican Party.
Show Notes:
-Romney’s Office Press Release - Minimum Wage Plan
-Is It Time for the Republican Party to Split Apart? - The Dispatch’s Declan Garvey
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Feb 19, 2021 • 1h 3min
China and the Uighur Genocide
In a call with European foreign ministers on Thursday, Secretary of State Antony J. Blinken said he would begin steps to restore the 2015 Iran nuclear deal that was abandoned by the Trump administration. Today’s guest, Tom Josclelyn, thinks a series of upfront concessions to Tehran before the country’s leaders even come to the negotiating table would be an unwise foreign policy move for the Biden administration. “I’ve taken to calling it ‘servile diplomacy’ because it is very much from a submissive position,”Joscelyn tells Sarah and Steve. Tune in to hear our hosts’ take on China’s ongoing genocide against the Uighurs in Xinjiang, and the latest rocket attack on a U.S. airbase in Iraq.
Show Notes:
-“Biden Administration Formally Offers to Restart Nuclear Talks With Iran” by Lara Jakes, Michael Crowley, David E. Sanger and Farnaz Fassihi in the New York Times.
-“Biden dismisses Uighur genocide as part of China’s ‘different norms’” by Emily Jacobs in the New York Post.
-“‘Genocide’ is the wrong word for the horrors of Xinjiang” by the Economist.
-Tom Joscelyn’s Vital Interests newsletter.
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Feb 18, 2021 • 1h 21min
The Grapes of Play-Acting
At the beginning of the pandemic, Democratic Gov. Andrew Cuomo of New York drew ire from lawmakers of all political stripes for sending COVID-19 positive patients back into nursing homes. But resentment against the governor reached a tipping point in late January, when New York Attorney General Letitia James released a blistering report showing that his office significantly underreported the number of COVID-19 deaths in New York nursing homes. Cuomo has brushed aside those criticisms as a partisan smear campaign, and went so far as to write a book bragging about his leadership during the pandemic. “What is unforgivable, and really, frankly, kind of evil is this alleged covering up of what they did,” Jonah says on today’s show. Tune in to hear the gang chat about K-12 school reopening efforts, the Senate’s acquittal of Donald Trump, and Tim Alberta’s Nikki Haley piece in Politico. Stick around to hear our hosts chat about their Myers Briggs test results.
Show Notes:
-American Crisis: Leadership Lessons from the COVID-19 Pandemic by Andrew Cuomo.
-“Nikki Haley’s Time for Choosing” by Tim Alberta in Politico.
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Feb 12, 2021 • 35min
Children, Classrooms, and Coronavirus
President Joe Biden has recently drawn ire from GOP lawmakers for lagging behind his stated goal of getting K-12 children back into the classroom for in-person instruction. Liesl Hickey, a partner at Ascent Media and co-founder of N2 America, joins the show to chat with Sarah and Steve about teachers unions, remote learning’s effect on student well-being, and whether the NRSC will play a bigger role in GOP primaries during the next election cycle.
Show Notes:
-“Remote learning failed my third-grader miserably. I pulled her out of public school.” by Liesl Hickey in USA Today.
-“Surge of Student Suicides Pushes Las Vegas Schools to Reopen” by Erica L. Green in The New York Times.
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