

The Project Chatter Podcast
Dale Foong and Val Matthews
Welcome to Project Chatter, the podcast where project professionals, specialists and experts from various sectors talk about the latest trends in project management and PMO. Listen to Val and Dale as they talk about tried and tested best practices and share their unfiltered thoughts about the industry. Whether you're here to learn how to progress your career, improve your project controls skills, or just want to hear an Aussie and South African rant about projects, then you've come to the right place. Welcome to the Project Chatter Podcast, with your hosts Dale Foong and Val Matthews.
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Apr 3, 2026 โข 1h 22min
S10E215: AI Regulation - Navigating the Future of Responsible Innovation with Isabela Parisio
In this episode, Isabela Parisio, a legal expert in AI regulation, shares insights on the challenges and opportunities of regulating artificial intelligence. Topics include regulatory sandboxes, definitions of AI, accountability, privacy, military applications, and the future of AI governance. Key TopicsRegulatory sandboxes for AI testingDefinitions and scope of AIAccountability and liability in AI systemsPrivacy concerns and data protectionMilitary applications and ethical considerationsLegal fictions and AI as a legal entityPolicy development and international cooperationChapters03:59 Isabela's Background and Transition to AI07:54 Intersection of Law and AI11:07 Understanding Regulatory Sandboxes14:44 Experimentation in AI Development21:00 Privacy Concerns in AI28:22 The Role of AI in Self-Regulation34:39 The Human Element in Technological Advancement39:30 AI in Military Applications: Accountability and Ethics46:07 Navigating Accountability in AI Usage56:40 Education and AI Literacy for Future Generations01:01:41 The Legal Status of AI: A New Frontier01:11:36 The Future of AI: Ethical Considerations and GovernanceResourcesResponsible AI UK - https://responsibleaiuk.org/European Union AI Act - https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=CELEX%3A52021PC0206Johns Hopkins University AI Policy - https://www.jhu.edu/King's College London AI Research - https://www.kcl.ac.uk/Bicentennial Man (Movie) - https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0118571/UK Data Protection Laws - https://ico.org.uk/for-organisations/guide-to-data-protection/guide-to-the-general-data-protection-regulation-gdpr/California AI Legislation - https://oag.ca.gov/privacy/ccpaAI Summit 2023 - https://aibusiness.com/events/ai-summit-2023/

Mar 20, 2026 โข 57min
S10E214: Understanding the Complexity of Modern Data Centers with Dr Atif Ansar
In this episode of the Project Chatter podcast, Val and Dale welcome Atif Ansar, co-founder of Foresight, to discuss the rapidly evolving world of data centers. Atif shares insights on the explosive growth and increasing complexity of data centers, highlighting the challenges related to energy supply, skilled labor, and technology redundancy. The conversation explores the role of AI in enhancing data center design and construction, the impact of edge computing, and the skills needed for future project professionals in this dynamic field. Atif also touches on innovative concepts like space-based data centers, emphasizing the exciting opportunities and challenges that lie ahead. In this conversation, the speakers explore the intersection of creativity and AI, discussing how technology influences project management and the future of jobs. They emphasize the importance of human essence in a technology-driven world and the evolving nature of data centers amidst global competition. The discussion also touches on the necessity of adapting to technological advancements and the potential for superintelligence in the future.Takeaways๐๏ธ๐ท๐ผโโ๏ธ Data centers are experiencing explosive growth, with construction volume increasing significantly.๐๏ธ๐ท๐ผโโ๏ธ The complexity of data centers has evolved, making them more akin to industrial assets than simple warehouses.๐๏ธ๐ท๐ผโโ๏ธ Data centers require substantial energy, land, and skilled labor, creating challenges in construction.๐๏ธ๐ท๐ผโโ๏ธ The lifespan of data centers is long, but technology within them evolves rapidly, leading to potential obsolescence.๐๏ธ๐ท๐ผโโ๏ธ AI can significantly enhance the design and construction processes of data centers.๐๏ธ๐ท๐ผโโ๏ธ Edge computing complements data centers, creating a fractal-like relationship between different computing structures.๐๏ธ๐ท๐ผโโ๏ธ Project professionals should focus on becoming subject matter experts while also being adaptable and open to using AI.๐๏ธ๐ท๐ผโโ๏ธ The energy supply for data centers is a critical constraint, but innovation in self-supply and renewable energy is emerging.๐๏ธ๐ท๐ผโโ๏ธ Understanding the components and costs associated with data centers is essential for project professionals.๐๏ธ๐ท๐ผโโ๏ธ The future of data centers may include innovative concepts like space-based facilities. Creativity enhances the effectiveness of project management.๐๏ธ๐ท๐ผโโ๏ธ AI allows generalists to be more valuable than specialists.๐๏ธ๐ท๐ผโโ๏ธ Human jobs will evolve rather than disappear due to AI.๐๏ธ๐ท๐ผโโ๏ธ The demand for human-specific jobs will be based on human preferences.๐๏ธ๐ท๐ผโโ๏ธ Technological advancements can improve quality of life and efficiency.๐๏ธ๐ท๐ผโโ๏ธ The luxuries of one generation become necessities for the next.๐๏ธ๐ท๐ผโโ๏ธ We are transitioning from an analog to a digital world.๐๏ธ๐ท๐ผโโ๏ธ Data centers are crucial in the global tech race.๐๏ธ๐ท๐ผโโ๏ธ The construction of data centers will continue to grow exponentially.๐๏ธ๐ท๐ผโโ๏ธ Continuous learning is essential in a rapidly changing technological landscape.Chapters00:00 Introduction and Guest Introduction01:58 The Growth and Complexity of Data Centers05:23 Key Components of Data Centers08:01 The Future of Data Centers in Space11:24 Energy Supply Challenges for Data Centers15:30 Technology Redundancy and Lifespan of Data Centers20:43 Edge Computing and Its Impact23:58 AI's Role in Data Center Design and Construction27:29 Skills for Future Project Professionals in Data Centers30:44 The Intersection of Creativity and AI33:46 The Future of Jobs in an AI World36:18 Human Essence in the Age of Technology39:39 The Evolution of Technology and Human Experience43:42 Data Center Dynamics and Global Competition52:11 The Future of Project Management and Technology#ProjectManagement #PMO #ProjectControls #Leadership #Culture #ProjectCertifications

Mar 6, 2026 โข 45min
S10E213: Unmasking Watermelon Projects: How to Achieve True Transparency in Projects with Dave Lockley
In this episode, project delivery expert Dave Lockley shares insights on transforming complex change portfolios into measurable business value, the pitfalls of watermelon projects, and how technology can improve project transparency and decision-making.Key TopicsWatermelon projects and transparencyThe role of technology and AI in project managementLeadership and decision-making in projectsChapters00:00 Introduction and Guest Introductions03:51 Dave Lockley's Journey into Project Management06:30 Understanding the Motivation Behind Projects08:14 The Concept of Watermelon Projects11:45 The Role of Technology in Project Management15:32 Decision-Making in Project Management20:51 The Need for a Chief Projects Officer22:37 The Impact of Technology on Decision-Making26:54 Understanding Decision-Making in Project Management28:19 Identifying Project Risks and Metrics30:06 The Importance of Transparency in Reporting31:15 Leadership and Accountability in Projects33:22 The Need for Qualified Decision-Makers36:11 Exploring Governance and Control in Projects38:56 The Role of Human Behavior in Project Management40:37 Final Thoughts and Reflections on Project Management

Feb 2, 2026 โข 54min
S10E212: Building a Project Control-Friendly Culture with Rod Whiting
In this episode of the Project Chatter podcast, Dale engages with Rod Whiting, a seasoned expert in project controls, who shares his extensive journey in the field since 1983. Rod discusses the evolution of project controls, emphasizing the importance of a project control-friendly culture within organizations. He highlights how understanding and valuing project controls can significantly impact project success, illustrating his points with anecdotes from his career. Rod also addresses the challenges of demonstrating the value of project controls to stakeholders, offering practical strategies to communicate its importance effectively.As the conversation progresses, Rod delves into the human aspects of project management, including stakeholder management and team dynamics. He shares insights on building relationships within teams, the significance of effective communication, and the role of technology in enhancing project controls. The discussion culminates in reflections on the highs and lows of Rod's career, emphasizing the importance of kindness and compassion in the workplace, and the need for a supportive culture that fosters collaboration and success in project delivery.TakeawaysProject controls is about understanding and valuing the process.A project control-friendly culture is essential for success.Demonstrating the value of project controls requires effective communication.Building relationships within teams is crucial for project success.Kindness and compassion in the workplace lead to better outcomes.Chapters00:00 Introduction to Project Chatter Podcast00:49 Rod Whiting's Journey in Project Controls03:39 Understanding Project Control-Friendly Culture06:52 Demonstrating the Value of Project Controls11:12 Building Strong Team Relationships19:43 Navigating the Post-COVID Work Landscape30:37 The Future of Work and Automation32:12 Creating a Project Controls-Friendly Culture35:29 Leadership and Compassion in Tough Times39:00 Common Mistakes in Project Management42:25 Capturing Knowledge and Experience45:19 The Role of Technology in Project Controls49:54 Highs and Lows of a Project Management Career55:34 Final Thoughts on Kindness and Purpose

Jan 17, 2026 โข 59min
S10E211: AI and Change Management - A New Era with Vincent Marsicano
In this episode of Project Chatter, hosts Dale and Val welcome Vincent Marsicano, CEO of Adopt It, to discuss the intersection of change management and technology. Vincent shares his unique background, which includes a PhD in physics and extensive experience in change management, emphasizing the importance of human-centered leadership in navigating organizational change. The conversation delves into the challenges of technology adoption, the role of AI in change management, and the necessity of understanding the human side of projects. Vincent argues that while technology can enhance efficiency, the core of successful change management lies in empathy and effective communication.As the discussion unfolds, Vincent highlights the significance of identifying key influencers within organizations to facilitate change. He also addresses the complexities of human behavior in project management, suggesting that understanding individual differences and fostering a culture of trust can lead to more successful outcomes. The episode concludes with reflections on the evolving landscape of change management, emphasizing the exciting opportunities that lie ahead for practitioners in this field.TakeawaysChange management is fundamentally about the people side of projects.Technology is driving change, but it also creates challenges in adoption.Identifying key influencers within organizations can facilitate smoother change processes.Empathy and effective communication are crucial for successful change management.AI has the potential to revolutionize change management practices.

Dec 17, 2025 โข 58min
S9E210: Healthy Habits for Busy Project Professionals with Becky Holliday
Dale flies solo (briefly!) to close out 2025 and welcomes first-time podcast guest Becky Holliday - a project manager turned health coach. Becky shares how redundancy in October 2023 became the catalyst for a career pivot, and why she now helps busy professionals (especially women) build sustainable health habits. Val drops in mid-episode and the conversation expands into discipline vs motivation, managing workload pressure, eating well without weekend meal-prep marathons, and why small wins beat heroic last-minute sprints.In this episode, youโll learnWhy Becky left project management and what she brought with her into health coachingHow to start improving health when you โdonโt have timeโWhy trying to change everything on Monday usually backfiresA simple way to reduce stress and decision fatigue: the โ3-item to-do listโPractical approaches to healthier eating that donโt require your Sunday afternoonHow movement can support mental resilience when work pressure spikesDiscipline vs motivationโand why habit size mattersThe role of identity, purpose, and values (and a thoughtful detour into spirituality)To get your FREE 5-Step Guide to Creating Healthy Habits that Stick, click here: beckyholliday.com/free-guideJoin 400+ women getting free health tools and advice every Wednesday by signing up for Becky's FREE newsletter here: beckyholliday.com/free-newsletter

Dec 5, 2025 โข 57min
S9E209: Unlocking the Power of Reality Capture with Derek Lawrence
In this episode, Dale Foong discusses the fascinating world of reality capture with expert Derek Lawrence. They explore Derek's journey into the field, the various applications of reality capture in project management, and the integration of AI in this technology. The conversation also delves into the barriers to adoption, real-world use cases, and the future of reality capture, including its potential in creating digital twins. Derek emphasizes the importance of understanding existing structures and the value of capturing accurate data for decision-making in construction and beyond.TakeawaysReality capture is a digital copy of what is for decision making.Derek Lawrence transitioned from traditional engineering to reality capture due to frustrations with conventional methods.Laser scanning technology is becoming more accessible and easier to use.Reality capture can integrate with cost modeling and project management.There are significant barriers to the adoption of reality capture in the industry.Real-world applications of reality capture include construction monitoring and historical preservation.AI is enhancing reality capture capabilities, making it easier to create 3D models.The future of reality capture includes potential uses in various industries beyond construction.Derek encourages a fail-fast approach to testing new technologies.Digital twins require accurate data, and reality capture can help achieve that. Chapters00:00 Introduction to Reality Capture05:42 Derek's Journey into Reality Capture11:59 Understanding Reality Capture18:52 Integrating Reality Capture with Project Management22:43 Barriers to Adoption of Reality Capture30:47 Real-World Applications of Reality Capture42:46 The Future of Reality Capture and AI57:39 Final Thoughts on Digital Twins and Reality CaptureLinksThe Furze Underground Complex - https://youtu.be/QKTnx6F-XMo?si=oSfyOTvXwfkv2-gjIan Jenkins talking about Gaussian Splats in the Meta Quest 3 - https://youtu.be/s6ZYbBsbAas?si=NVVz7mHMckj9p5-JDerek's YouTube Channel - https://www.youtube.com/@twindltdDerek's LinkedIn page - www.linkedin.com/in/twindlderek

Nov 3, 2025 โข 60min
S9E208: Blockchain and Carbon: The Future of Project Management with Kevin O'Grady
In this episode of the Project Chatter podcast, Val and Dale welcome Kevin O'Grady, a director at Cognitive, who shares his extensive experience in project management, particularly in the built environment. The conversation delves into the practical applications of blockchain technology in construction, the importance of carbon tracking, and the emerging role of sustainable aviation fuel. Kevin provides insights into how these technologies can enhance project delivery and efficiency, while also discussing the challenges and opportunities they present. The episode emphasizes the need for transparency and collaboration in the industry, as well as the importance of measuring and improving carbon emissions.TakeawaysKevin O'Grady has a diverse background in project management and engineering.Blockchain can enhance transparency and trust in project delivery.Carbon tracking is essential for sustainable project management.Sustainable Aviation Fuel (SAF) is gaining traction but faces infrastructure challenges.AI can play a significant role in tracking project progress and carbon emissions.Collaboration among stakeholders is crucial for successful project outcomes.The construction industry needs to adapt to new technologies for better efficiency.Measuring carbon emissions is vital for improving sustainability in projects.Project wallets could revolutionize payment transparency in construction.Innovation in the industry is driven by the need for better practices and technologies.Chapters04:24 Kevin O'Grady's Journey in Project Management07:33 Transitioning from Engineering to Commercial Management09:21 Technological Innovations in Project Management13:12 The Role of Digital Twins in Project Delivery17:20 Understanding Blockchain Technology20:58 Blockchain Applications in Construction27:43 Exploring Real-World Use Cases for Blockchain30:23 Tokenization in Construction Payments32:03 Linking Progress and Blockchain34:54 Smart Contracts and Payment Automation36:51 Challenges in Implementing Blockchain39:42 The Role of Profit Margins in Construction43:03 Carbon Measurement and Blockchain43:32 Sustainable Aviation Fuel and Its Challenges

Oct 8, 2025 โข 59min
S9E207: Insourcing - Bringing Capability In-House with Jo Lucas
In this episode, Val and Dale engage in a thought-provoking conversation with Jo Lucas, exploring the evolving dynamics of insourcing versus outsourcing in organizations. Jo shares insights from her extensive experience, discussing the importance of human connection, decision-making, and the role of AI in modern workplaces. The discussion delves into the challenges and opportunities of insourcing, the impact of generational shifts, and the future of work in a rapidly changing world.Key Takeaways:Jo Lucas emphasizes the importance of human connection in organizational success.The conversation explores the shift from outsourcing to insourcing in modern workplaces.AI is seen as a tool for abstraction, while humans provide connection.Generational shifts impact workplace dynamics and decision-making.Insourcing offers opportunities for stability and purpose in jobs.The role of consultants is evolving with the trend towards insourcing.Decision-making is a key responsibility for clients in organizations.The future of work involves balancing technology and human relationships.AI can assist but not replace human decision-making and connection.Organizations must adapt to changing contexts and embrace flexibility.

Sep 24, 2025 โข 1h 3min
S9E206: Fast Forward to the Past โ Dodging the bullets of tech trends like AI to deliver perfect projects with Prof. Eddie Obeng
In this episode, Val and Dale engage with Professor Eddie Obeng to explore the multifaceted implications of AI in today's world. They discuss the hype surrounding AI, its potential benefits and challenges in various sectors, particularly healthcare and governance. The conversation emphasizes the importance of human elements in technology, the need for a balanced perspective on AI's role in society, and the necessity of dreaming a better future rather than getting swept up in the gold rush mentality.๐ All Change! [Project Chatter Edition]TakeawaysAI is both a potential savior and a threat.The hype around AI often overshadows its practical applications.Understanding the human element is crucial in technology adoption.Persuasion plays a significant role in the AI gold rush.AI can enhance healthcare but must be approached cautiously.The future of work will be shaped by how we integrate AI.Governance can benefit from AI, but ethical considerations are paramount.Community values should guide the implementation of AI.AI's limitations must be acknowledged to avoid over-reliance.Dreaming a better future is essential for meaningful progress.Chapters00:00 The AI Gold Rush: Promise or Peril?13:19 Understanding AI: Tools vs. Jobs22:40 The Human Element in Technology31:49 Leadership in the Age of AI33:09 Evolve, Dominate or Die: The New Business Paradigm34:32 Harnessing AI: A Practical Approach38:49 The Human Element in AI and Technology41:07 AI in Healthcare: Opportunities and Challenges44:47 Reimagining Community and Governance with AI56:32 The Future of AI in Administration and Decision Making


