

The Dissidents
The Dissidents
Welcome to the Dissidents podcast from the Institute for Liberal Values (formerly the Counterweight Podcast), where we talk about how we can strive for a world in which freedom and reason are at the forefront of all human society.
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Sep 22, 2023 • 1h 15min
Ep. 024: In the Group Groove: Building Connections by Experiencing Similar Emotions
In this week's episode Mike and Elizabeth discuss the group based emotions we experience as a result of our membership in, or identification with, a group. The article we chose focuses on the motivations for those emotions: first, it feels good to feel like we belong, and second, experiencing group emotions enhances our sense of connectedness. We discuss the good and the bad of group emotions, and explore examples that span the abstract and philosophical, to the personal and political.
Podcast Notes:
Porat, R., Tamir, M., & Halperin, E. (2020). Group-based emotion regulation: A motivated approach. Emotion, 20, 16–20.

Sep 19, 2023 • 41min
Bigotry of Low Expectations | Kofi Montzka
Welcome to a new series of the Dissidents Podcast with your co-hosts, Jennifer Richmond and Brandy Shufutinsky. In this series we explore the radical roots of liberated ethnic studies, how extreme ideology is infiltrating our schools with the aim to indoctrinate instead of educate, and our search for solutions to empower parents, teachers and students, giving them the tools to embrace inquiry and to express their individuality.
This week we speak with Kofi Montzka, an attorney, wife and mother. In March, Kofi spoke out at a Minnesota Legislature assembly against a bill mandating ethnic studies. According to Kofi, radical or critical ethnic studies may assuage white guilt, but teaches kids of color a hopelessness that affects their ability to succeed. These educational agendas institutionalize a bigotry of low expectations, amounting to a new form of racism in our schools.
https://empowered-ed.org/
https://ilvalues.org/
Podcast References:
Teaching Hopelessness to Kids of Color
Kofi Montzka Addresses the MN Legislature

Sep 15, 2023 • 1h 28min
Ep. 023: The Kids are Alright: One Conspiracy Theory Debunked
In this week's episode Mike and Elizabeth discuss the ease with which we engage in outgroup accusations and denunciations, use language that divides us, and even accept accusations of conspiracy without skepticism. After being alerted to one potential conspiracy to indoctrinate children, we did a deep dive into UNESCO (the United Nations Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organization) and their "Comprehensive Sexuality Education" initiative. Elizabeth enrolled in their course for teachers and went through the materials. Mike examined their website for red flags. We report on our findings, including a lack of evidence for a conspiracy.
Podcast Notes:
https://www.unesco.org/en/brief
https://www.unesco.org/en/health-education/cse-campaign

Sep 13, 2023 • 1h 13min
Knowing Me to Know Thee: A Liberal Conversation with Zander Keig
Welcome to a special “Liberal Conversations Series” of the Dissidents Podcast.
In this series we invite guests who have resources, ideas, and viewpoints that will challenge us to reflect on liberal values, what they are, how they are applied, their impact on us as individuals, and why they matter for the larger communities in which we live.
This week, Zander Keig and Elizabeth Spievak discuss the importance of wellness, and wellbeing in complex times. He gives us an overview of his upcoming course and its usefulness for both the ordinary and the extraordinary in our daily lives. The course and our discussion are framed in the context of liberal values.
Podcast References:
https://www.zanderkeig.net/
https://braverangels.org/

Sep 9, 2023 • 1h 19min
Ep. 022: Moral Hypocrisy and Ethical Blind Spots
In this week's episode Mike and Elizabeth discuss the motivation to appear moral without incurring the losses that may accompany actually behaving morally (like being thought of as a cheater or liar). In one paper, researchers showed that in order to appear fair in the eyes of others, participants engaged in social deception to disguise their selfish behavior. In another paper, participants were more unethical and self-serving in ambiguous situations, and in a third paper ambiguity led participants to behave unethically in order to benefit a person for whom they were induced to feel compassion. Results are discussed in the context of contemporary virtue signaling.
Podcast notes:
Lönnqvist, J.-E., Irlenbusch, B., & Walkowitz, G. (2014). Moral hypocrisy: Impression management or self-deception? Journal of Experimental Social Psychology, 55, 53–62.
Pittarello, A., Leib, M., Gordon-Hecker, T., & Shalvi, S. (2015). Justifications shape ethical blind spots. Psychological Science, 26, 794–804.
Fang, X., Chen, L., Wang, J., Zhang, Q., & Mo, L. (2020). Do all types of compassion increase prosocial lying? Psychology Research and Behavior Management, 13.

Sep 5, 2023 • 1h 31min
Ep. 021: Expanding our (dis)comfort zones for learning
In this week's episode Mike and Elizabeth talk about getting comfortable with discomfort. We discuss a series of studies in which people who were prompted to seek discomfort as a sign of growth and learning demonstrated increased willingness to engage in challenging activities. Some spent more time on improvisational exercises, others read more about COVID 19, gun violence, or opposing political viewpoints. The article resonated with us on personal and professional levels, and is quite relevant in this culture of victimhood, anxiety, and discomfort avoidance. We also link the article to methods commonly used in diversity training.
Podcast Article:Woolley, K., & Fishbach, A. (2022). Motivating personal growth by seeking discomfort. Psychological Science, 33(4), 510–523.

Sep 5, 2023 • 55min
Justice by Learning History | Amy Lesserman
Welcome to a new series of the Dissidents Podcast with your co-hosts, Jennifer Richmond and Brandy Shufutinsky. In this series we explore the radical roots of liberated ethnic studies, how extreme ideology is infiltrating our schools with the aim to indoctrinate instead of educate, and our search for solutions to empower parents, teachers and students, giving them the tools to embrace inquiry and to express their individuality.
This week we speak with Amy Lesserman, an English and Social Studies teacher with a long career in the Los Angeles Unified School District. We discuss the importance of more inclusive history curricula to replace current ethnic studies curricula, the exclusionary aspects of liberated ethnic studies, e.g. those of “inconvenient” minorities, and the alarming exodus of students from K-12 public schools.
https://empowered-ed.org/

Aug 22, 2023 • 38min
America's Dangerous Repeat of the Chinese Cultural Revolution | Mike Zhao
Welcome to a new series of the Dissidents Podcast with your co-hosts, Jennifer Richmond and Brandy Shufutinsky. In this series we explore the radical roots of liberated ethnic studies, how extreme ideology is infiltrating our schools with the aim to indoctrinate instead of educate, and our search for solutions to empower parents, teachers and students, giving them the tools to embrace inquiry and to express their individuality.
This week we speak with the President of the Asian American Coalition for Education, Mike Zhao. Zhao, the author of Critical Race Theory and Woke Culture: America’s Dangerous Repeat of the Chinese Cultural Revolution, shares his personal story of living through the Chinese Cultural Revolution, his eventual immigration to the West, and his alarm at seeing similar Marxist trends infiltrating the American K-12 education system.

Aug 18, 2023 • 1h 28min
Ep. 020: Utopian daze and reality checks
In this episode Mike and Elizabeth discuss the idealistic hopes of utopianism and the difficulties of implementing them in real life. Mike covers philosophy, and Elizabeth includes references to some famous psychologists who suggested that their field would be at the center of successful utopian community life. We connect utopianism to current politics and communism.
Podcast notes:
Nagel, T. (1991). The Problem of Utopianism. Equality and Partiality, 21.
https://ilvalues.org/

Aug 17, 2023 • 1h 23min
Ep. 019: Scarlet Letter
During this week's episode, Mike and Elizabeth discuss a unique study in which, over the course of a week, 5 co authors agreed to be ostracized by the other 4, each for 1 day. The authors documented their experiences of being targets and perpetrators. Despite foreknowledge and consent, the co authors reported feeling rejected, confused and guilty. Their work and personal relationships were strained. The authors advise that, while the project was an important contribution to the field (specifically the psychology of ostracism), future research be undertaken with caution. Mike and Elizabeth agree. Ostracism is so powerful that even obvious and orchestrated simulations have the potential for serious negative outcomes for individuals and groups.
Reference:
Williams, K. D., Bernieri, F. J., Faulkner, S. L., Gada-Jain, N., & Grahe, J. E. (2000). The Scarlet Letter Study: Five Days of Social Ostracism. Journal of Personal & Interpersonal Loss, 5(1), 19–63.


