

Mile High FI Podcast
Doug Cunnington & Carl Jensen
Real talk about Financial Independence and life after corporate jobs. Doug Cunnington and Carl Jensen talk about FI, lifestyle, side hustles, health, and anything on their minds. Plus, they interview experts and non-experts interested in the FI lifestyle. It's raw, candid, pretty much like you get to sit in on a private conversation.
Episodes
Mentioned books

Dec 21, 2021 • 1h 16min
Year End Review | MHFi 036
Doug and Carl talk about how 2021 went and their goals for 2022. They also talk about asparagus.
Opening
Carl comments on Doug’s new hoodie which makes him look exactly like Clifford the big red dog. Or should we say, Clifford the big red Doug.
Mile High FI
Did the podcast live up to expectations?
Wait, what were the expectations?
Doug and Carl talk about 2021
Doug worked less, abandoned a project, went to 3 personal finance events, and took off big chunks of time
Carl worked way too much, stopped exercising, and pretty much said Yes! to everything
Doug and Carl share their resolutions for each other
Carl should do less, but also meditate and journal
Doug should play a live gig and stop obsessing over asparagus
Links
EconoMe Conference – Nov 13th & 14th, 2021
Bitches Get Riches
Melanzana Outdoor Clothing made in Leadville
San Joaquin Asparagus Festival | Visit Stockton
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Dec 14, 2021 • 1h 11min
Create Fearlessly with Jillian Johnsrud | MHFi 035
Doug and Carl talk to Jillian Johnsrud, author, blogger, podcaster, and life coach, about her book, Fire the Haters: Finding Courage to Create Online in a Critical World. Jillian lives in Montana with her husband and five children. She reached financial independence at the age of 32, and now she helps coach others on their journey to FI, as well as helping people through career transitions and supporting them as they launch or seek to grow businesses. In her podcast, Everyday Courage, Jillian talks to guests about FIRE, investing, career trajectories, and how to design a happy and successful life. Here are a few highlights from our discussion with Jillian:
Expectations vs reality as a content creator
How to decouple your self from your work
Trying to make everyone happy is never interesting or engaging
How to get helpful feedback but tune out the trolls
Imposter syndrome
Preparation as a form of procrastination (Did we bully Carl into launching a project he’s been sitting on for years? Maybe!)
Jillian’s perfect day/week
How to reach out to a high-profile person (without being creepy)
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Dec 7, 2021 • 1h 19min
EconoMe Recap | MHFi 034
Doug and Carl talk about the EconoMe conference, bunking together, Skyline Chili, and dutch ovens. Here are a few highlights of their discussion:
Doug discusses a trip to buy an $80 hoodie (the beloved Melanzana)
Carl discusses his recent trip to Butt Rock
EconoMe overview
Doug’s snoring and Carl’s dutch oven
Stacking Benjamins show
Is EconoMe about education, entertainment, community, or all of the above?
Breakout sessions: women personal finance and socially responsible investing
“Hell yeah!!” or “No!” (Derek Sivers) There is no middle ground.
Carl discusses his big talk
Thoughts on Cincinnati and Skyline Chili
Return to EconoMe in 2023?
Other Links
Bitches Get Riches
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Nov 30, 2021 • 1h 8min
How To Sleep Better | MHFi 033
Doug and Carl talk to Kristen Rainey about a topic that matters to everyone: sleep! Kristen Rainey is the founder of Northstar Sleep School, and she takes good sleep seriously. On her podcast, Northstar Unplugged, she talks to fascinating people about health, wellness, and (of course) sleep.
Kristen has accomplished so much in her life. She attended Princeton University and has had multiple successful careers, including working with Google in the food arena to ensure all employees had access to delicious, healthy foods.
Now she has turned her keen eye to the realm of sleep and helps train people to build and maintain excellent sleeping habits and feel better in their lives.
To receive 10 tips for better sleep, go here.
Here are a few highlights of our discussion:
High-stress jobs and how to sleep well even if you have one
Why do we sleep?
How much sleep we need
How to take the perfect nap
Best sleep practices
Building a sleep routine
Dealing with jet lag
Sleep supplements and how other substances affect sleep
Sleep trackers
The ideal sleep environment, including mattress and cooling pad recommendation
We are ready to get a great night’s sleep every night after talking to Kristen, and hope you can pick up some helpful tips from her to help you live a well-rested life!
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Nov 23, 2021 • 1h 3min
When Real Estate Investing Goes Terribly Wrong with JL Collins | MHFi 032
JL Collins joins Carl and Doug to talk about a terrible investment experience with Real Estate. JL tells the story in his new book, How I Lost Money in Real Estate Before It Was Fashionable: A Cautionary Tale.
You probably recognize JL from our other talk with him, or more likely the Google Talk, or his first book, The Simple Path to Wealth. JL is amazing!
🔥 Check out his new book on Amazon [Affiliate Link so we get a commission if you buy it. thanks!]
🔥 How I Lost Money in Real Estate Before It Was Fashionable
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Nov 16, 2021 • 29min
A Purple Life | MHFi 031
In this episode, Doug and Carl interview “Purple” from the blog, A Purple Life. Purple worked for nine years in the marketing industry and then retired early at age 30 to relax and enjoy life in her prime.
Here are a few highlights from our discussion.
– Purple’s work situation
– Quitting work in your prime
– Going back to work?
– Learning about FI
– Life in retirement
– Travel
– Calming down
– Purple’s perfect day
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Nov 9, 2021 • 55min
The F.I.R.E Planner and How to be Financially Alert | MHFi 030
Doug and Carl interview Michael Quan from Financially Alert. Michael blogs over at Financially Alert, and recently published a book The F.I.R.E. Planner, which you can find on Amazon or at Barnes and Noble!
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Opening: Michael talks about some childhood experiences with fire, the bad kind!
Discussion
Growing up with awesome financial role models
Financially Alert blog: Michael’s “why” and the decision to share his net worth
Starting and selling a business
Real estate: long and short-term rentals
The FIRE Planner, Michael’s new book
Why write a book?
Income versus growth investing
The incredible value of resourcefulness
Finding good people to spend your time with
Luxury cars?
Are early retirees who work truly retired?
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Nov 1, 2021 • 22min
Get Rich Slowly with JD Roth | MHFi 029
This week’s episode is short but packs a punch!
From the floor of the FinCon expo hall, Doug and Carl interview blogging legend JD Roth of Get Rich Slowly. JD has been in the FI community since its earliest days in the early 2000s. His very successful site has been inspiring readers to save money and get their financial lives on track for over a decade. Here are a few highlights from our discussion:
JD shares a recent purchase that is decidedly NOT frugal
JD’s experience growing up with parents who weren’t good with money
JD’s early money mistakes
Starting Get Rich Slowly, selling it, and buying it back
Where the FI movement is going
We were so psyched to be able to talk with JD and we hope you’ll be inspired by his words of wisdom!
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★ Let’s hang out at the EconoMe Conference! ★
Carl is speaking at EconoMe and Doug is attending. You can save 10% by using this coupon code: 1500
*Affiliate link so we get a commission if you buy something.

Oct 26, 2021 • 2h 12min
Retired at 29 | MHFi 028
In this episode, Doug and Carl interview Lauren and Steven from Trip Of A Lifestyle. Steven and Lauren are a married couple who retired at just 29! He is a former high school teacher and she worked in marketing. Although neither of them ever made more than six figures in income, they were still able to retire ultra early and take a couple of trips that lasted over six months along the way.
Their story is truly inspiring. Here are a few highlights of our discussion:
Steven bails on grad school
Living in Hawaii for really, really cheap
The huge advantage of keeping your expenses low
The joy of the inverted workweek
Their trip to 63 national parks, including their favorite (Death Valley)
Taking a break long enough to forget your old life
Carl and Steven debate paying off a mortgage
Links
About Us – Trip Of A Lifestyle
How We Took a 6-Month Hawaii Honeymoon for $0
Buying a $4,500 Car with Ramen Noodles
Lauren and Steve’s Episode on The Doug Show: Launching a Blog in a Competitive Niche and Getting Press Coverage | Trip of a Lifestyle – DS282
Lauren and Steven recommend The Simple Path to Wealth by JL Collins
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★ Let’s hang out at the EconoMe Conference! ★
Carl is speaking at EconoMe and Doug is attending. You can save 10% by using this coupon code: 1500
*Affiliate link so we get a commission if you buy something.

Oct 19, 2021 • 1h 31min
Your Network is an Asset | MHFi 027
In this episode, Doug and Carl interview Amberly Grant, creator of FinTalks (formerly FinZoom) and all-around-awesome human. Here are a few highlights of our discussion:
How Amberly met Mr. Money Mustache
FinTalks: something great born out of a place of depression
Unexpected adventures
The future of FinTalks
Travel
Ottawa to LA to NYC to Ottawa to Thailand
Finding local connections
Escaping a bad situation
Favorite places
Safety when traveling alone
Real estate
What a house is to Amberly
Leveraging your network
Amberly’s perfect day
Keeping busy
HIIT
The joy of being productive
Links:
Rich Dad Poor Dad by Robert Kiyosaki
The Wealthy Barber, Everyone’s Commonsense Guide to Becoming Financially Independent by David Chilton
The Simple Path to Wealth by JL Collins
ChooseFI: Your Blueprint to Financial Independence by Chris Mamula, Brad Barrett, and Jonathan Mendonsa
Go Natural English (teaching English abroad)
Amberly’s Website
Amberly’s Facebook
Meet Amberly
When we think of Amberly Grant, just one thing comes to mind: energy! This girl is on the go and passionate about her many pursuits. Amberly is (deep breath): an avid traveler, teacher, reader, real estate investor, business school graduate, and Senior Project Manager at a tech company. And she speaks four languages! She loves to achieve and lives to help others.
Recently, Amberly channeled her love of all things personal finance and her extroversion by creating an online group of people who get together weekly to discuss life and money. This group, known as FinTalks (formerly FinZoom) is a space for people to share what they’ve learned about finances and help others share and grow in their FI journeys. If you’re interested in being part of this free and awesome group, check it out and let Amberly know!
Our Discussion
We started out by talking to Amberly about how she got involved in the personal finance space and how she first met Pete (Mr. Money Mustache). She then told us all about the origins of FinTalks. Amberly was going through a difficult time. She was going through a breakup … just as COVID was hitting. Being trapped in lockdown after a rough breakup would be hard on anyone. But Amberly knows that the best way to grow and get out of a rut is to focus on helping others. So she started FinTalks!
On top of that, Amberly started making Facebook Live presentations, where she would distill complex finance topics into easily digestible nuggets of wisdom. Even though she started slow, Amberly’s dedication caused her presentations to steadily grow in popularity.
We then delved into Amberly’s background and how she first became interested in personal finance. Like many of our guests, she watched her parents struggle with poverty and vowed that her life would be different. In fact, she set the intention very early in life that she would be a millionaire one day. She talked to us about the personal finance books she started reading at age 15 (!) and how it set her off on a course to success.
Amberly then talked to us about her love of travel, which was inspired by her love of reading. Amberly always remembered the places she had read about and wanted to see them in person herself. She also loves nothing more than challenging herself, and travel is part of that. Amberly travels mostly alone, and she has some great tips for other solo travelers (especially women). She loves to immerse herself in a new culture and make new friends on the fly. Some of her travel highlights include bike-packing trips across the Pacific Northwest and some late nights partying in Thailand while she taught English there.
We also asked Amberly about her perfect day and week. Because she loves to stay so busy and enjoys her work, her work would definitely be a part of it. We also discussed the psychology of staying busy and why it’s also important to slow things down.
Finally, Amberly talked to us about her real estate investing strategy. Amberly never wants to pay her own mortgage and has set up her life to ensure she doesn’t have to! She also let us in on her plans for a new property management company, which is in the works.
We hope you get inspired by our conversation with Amberly. We know we did!
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★ Let’s hang out at the EconoMe Conference! ★
Carl is speaking at EconoMe and Doug is attending. You can save 10% by using this coupon code: 1500
*Affiliate link so we get a commission if you buy something.


