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Outside Ourselves with Kelsi Klembara features conversations about God’s gift of faith. What does it mean for saving faith to stand outside of our abilities and works? Join Kelsi as she explores questions about the Christian faith with theologians and theology lovers. New episodes every other week. Outside Ourselves is a part of the 1517 Podcast Network.
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Jul 18, 2023 • 1h 6min
The Relationship Between Faith and Reason with David Andersen
Author David Andersen joins Kelsi to discuss his book, "What Can We Really Know? The Strengths and Limits of Human Understanding" and how the study of knowledge leads us to some inevitable truths about ourselves and the limits of knowledge, in general. The discussion then turns to the relationship between reason and faith and the assertion that, as Christian's, it important we recognize and use both.
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What Can We Really Know? by David Andersen
Faithless to Fearless by David Andersen

Jul 4, 2023 • 1h
The Limits and Expanse of Christian Belief with Sarah Hinlicky Wilson
Sarah Hinlicky Wilson joins Kelsi to talk about her new novel, A Tumblin' Down, the good and bad of church community, and how the Christian belief isn't always best defined by our own self-reflection. Sarah is Associate Pastor at Tokyo Lutheran Church and the Founder of Thornbush Press.
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Queen of the Sciences: Conversations between a Theologian and Her Dad
Thornbush Press
A-Tumblin' Down by Sarah Hinlicky Wilson
Sarah's Mockingbird Talk
Sarah's New Story Podcast

Jun 22, 2023 • 1h 15min
Living as Sinners and Saints with Steven Paulson
Kelsi chats with Dr. Steven Paulson, a 1517 Senior Scholar in Residence and Lutheran pastor, who delves into the Reformation concept of being simultaneously sinner and saint. He challenges listeners to distinguish between their feelings as sinners and their identity as saints through Christ. Dr. Paulson reflects on his journey from engineering to theology, exploring the transformative power of faith and the importance of grounding one’s identity in God’s word. Also discussed are the complexities of emotional suppression in faith communities and the liberating teachings of Jesus.

Jun 8, 2023 • 54min
The Art of Gospel Communication with Tanner Olson
Author and poet, Tanner Olson, joins Kelsi to talk about creativity and communicating hope. Together, Tanner and Kelsi discuss the difference between delivering the gospel directly and indirectly and the importance of both.
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Book Tanner to Speak
Meditation in a Toolshed by C.S. Lewis

May 25, 2023 • 56min
Identity and Holistic Spirituality with John Kleinig
Theologian and Biblical Scholar, John Kleinig, joins Kelsi to discuss his book, Wonderfully Made, and the vision the Bible gives us for God's redemptive plan as a wholly physical, spiritual, mental, and emotional endeavor. He talks about the dangers in splintering portions of our humanness and discusses how he approaches healing from a pastoral perspective.
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Wonderfully Made: A Protestant Theology of the Body by John Kleinig
God’s Word: A Guide to Holy Scripture by John Kleinig
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How to Do Things with Words by John Austin

May 11, 2023 • 1h 9min
Who's Afraid of Deconstruction? with Bruce Hillman
With Christian deconstruction on the rise, 1517 Scholar in Residence Bruce Hillman joins Kelsi to properly define (and defend!) deconstruction according to its original definition within postmodern philosophy. Far from a boogeyman to avoid, Bruce advocates that deconstruction can serve as a helpful tool within the Christian life, specifically when it comes to confronting sin and challenging preconceived biases.
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Show Notes:
The Thinking Fellows Podcast
The Gift of Death by Jacques Derrida
Mere Orthodoxy Article on Deconstruction and the Theology of the Cross
Exclusion and Embrace by Miraslov Volf
Who's Afraid of Postmodernism by James K.A. Smith

Apr 20, 2023 • 57min
Suffering and Grief with Sarah Condon
Sarah Condon is an Episcopalian priest, author, and co-host of the Mockingcast Podcast. In today’s episode, she shares her experience with grief and suffering after the death of her parents, and talks with Kelsi about how the gentleness of Jesus during times of loss changes everything.
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Sarah’s Book, Churchy
Sarah’s talk on the death of her parents at last year’s Mockingbird Conference
That Succession episode
The Truman Show

Apr 6, 2023 • 1h 9min
An Intro to Christ's Atonement with Caleb Keith
Caleb Keith joins Kelsi to discuss Christ's atonement and the most common theories of the atonement, including Substitution, Christus Victor, and Exemplar or Moral. Caleb also reminds listeners that pitting these theories against each other is neither Scriptural nor helpful to remaining centered on Christ's death and resurrection for you. Caleb Keith is the Director of 1517 Podcasts and co-host for both the Thinking Fellows and Outlaw God Podcasts.
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The Atonement: What is it And Why Does it Matter

Mar 27, 2023 • 48min
Jane Grizzle and Bodily Limitations
Writer Jane Grizzle talks on what the body’s limitations can teach us about God’s work for us, and how despite our suffering and brokenness, his promise to redeem us comes through the broken body of Christ. Jane is a writer for Mockingbird Ministries and writes about the intersect between theology and everyday life.
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Read Jane’s writing at Mockingbird
Storymakers
Low Anthropology by David Zahl
Jane’s talk on The Grief and Gift of Bodily Limitations
Jane’s Book List:
Everything Happens for a Reason: And Other Lies I’ve Loved by Kate Bowler
Broken Body Healing Spirit: Lectio Divine and Living with Illness by Mary C. Earle
Being Human: Bodies, Minds, Persons by Rowan Williams
The Invisible Kingdom: Reimagining Chronic Illness by Meghan O’Rourke
Wonderfully Made: A Protestant Theology of the Body by John Kleinig

Mar 9, 2023 • 1h 3min
Phillip Cary and the Nicene Creed
Dr. Phillip Cary joins Kelsi to discuss his newest book, The Nicene Creed: An Introduction, which leads to conversations about the two natures of Christ and the importance of church tradition in guarding against heresies, among other topics. Dr. Cary teaches philosophy at Eastern University and is the author of several books covering both philosophy and theology, including Good News for Anxious Christians.
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