Strange New Worlds: A Science & Star Trek Podcast
Michael L. Wong
Hosted by planetary scientist and astrobiologist Dr. Michael L. Wong, Strange New Worlds examines science, technology, and culture through the lens of Star Trek!
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Mar 8, 2026 • 55min
Episode 196: The Antifascist Star Trek Watch List
Guests: Joe Praska & Nicole Praska
The hosts of Deep Space Love podcast, Joe & Nicole Praska, beam aboard to tell us about their "Antifascist Star Trek Watch List," a compilation of at least one episode from every major Star Trek series that contains themes of resistance to authoritarianism.
"15 Episodes for Your Antifascist Star Trek Watch List" by Joe Praska: https://twincitiesgeek.com/2026/01/15-episodes-for-your-antifascist-star-trek-watch-list/
Join Mike & colleagues on April 13 for a free virtual event called "Envisioning Joint Futures in Art & Astronomy": https://forms.gle/k8Y5xd3NyAcNLqxN9
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Jan 28, 2026 • 49min
Episode 195: TIme's Second Arrow
Guest: Dr. Bob Hazen
Mike is joined by his Carnegie Science colleague Dr. Bob Hazen. Together, they have written a new popular science book titled "Time's Second Arrow: Evolution, Order, and a New Law of Nature," which launches on February 10, 2026. This book describes how the marvelously complex constituents of our universe came to be. Evolution, they boldly propose, is a universal phenomenon—not only in biology, but in the entire atomic, chemical, mineral, and physical universe. Showing how a natural process of selection for increasing function has shaped the universe since its inception, they explore how a new law of nature could possibly help us identify life on other planets and—perhaps—even understand the purpose and meaning of life on Earth in a new way.
"Time's Second Arrow: Evolution, Order, and a New Law of Nature" by Robert M. Hazen & Michael L. Wong: https://wwnorton.com/books/9781324105480
Bob & Mike's scientific papers that "Time's Second Arrow" is based on:
1. https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.2310223120
2. https://academic.oup.com/pnasnexus/advance-article/doi/10.1093/pnasnexus/pgae248/7698354
3. https://royalsocietypublishing.org/rsfs/article/15/6/20250009/366157/Selective-funnelling-and-state-space-expansion-a

Jan 23, 2026 • 1h 8min
Episode 194: The Giant Leap
Guest: Dr. Caleb Scharf
Becoming a spacefaring civilization is a major transition in the story of life on Earth. Senior scientist for astrobiology at NASA Ames Dr. Caleb Scharf beams aboard to discuss the themes in his latest book, "The Giant Leap: Why Space Is the Next Frontier in the Evolution of Life," and what it all means for achieving a Star Trek future.
"The Giant Leap: Why Space Is the Next Frontier in the Evolution of Life" by Caleb Scharf: https://www.hachettebookgroup.com/titles/caleb-scharf/the-giant-leap/9781541604186/?lens=basic-books
"Teaching A.I. to Detect Life: Carnegie Scientist Co-Leads NASA-Funded Effort": https://carnegiescience.edu/news/teaching-ai-detect-life-carnegie-scientist-co-leads-nasa-funded-effort
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Jan 18, 2026 • 52min
Episode 193: The Linguistics of "Darmok"
Guest: Dr. Kristina Šekrst
Philosopher, linguist, and AI researcher Kristina Šekrst beams aboard to discuss the TNG episode "Darmok," where Picard and crew encounter the Tamarians, a species who only speak in metaphor. Why do we use metaphors? How would you lie in Tamarian? And can the universal translator ever exist?
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Nov 17, 2025 • 30min
Episode 192: Whispers of Life in Ancient Rocks
Guest: Dr. Anirudh Prabhu
Mike brings aboard Dr. Anirudh Prabhu to discuss an exciting new study of theirs that uses machine learning trained on organic chemical data to detect the "whispers" of life—including photosynthetic life—in ancient rocks. This exciting technique could one day be used to seek out new life on strange new worlds.
Mike & Anirudh's paper, "Organic geochemical evidence for life in Archean rocks identified by pyrolysis–GC–MS and supervised machine learning": https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.2514534122
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Nov 8, 2025 • 1h 17min
Episode 191: Mike on Sean Carroll's Mindscape
Mike beams aboard Sean Carroll's Mindscape Podcast to talk about astrobiology, the origins of life, complexity, and the proposal for a "law of increasing functional information."
Pre-order your copy of "Time's Second Arrow: Evolution, Order, and a New Law of Nature" by Robert M. Hazen & Michael L. Wong: https://wwnorton.com/books/9781324105480
Mike's 2023 paper "On the roles of function and selection in evolving systems": https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.2310223120
Learn more about Mindscape: https://www.preposterousuniverse.com/podcast/
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Oct 25, 2025 • 53min
Episode 190: Relating to Nature in Space and on Earth
Guest: Prof. Jason Kaufman
Professor Jason Kaufman beams aboard to chat about a trio of papers he wrote exploring the themes of human space exploration, sustainable futures, and our relationships to nature.
"An Interplanetary Land Ethic" by Kaufman et al. (2022): https://www.liebertpub.com/doi/abs/10.1089/scc.2021.0068
"Artemis and an environmentally sustainable future beyond earth" by Kaufman et al. (2023): https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0265964623000425?via%3Dihub
"A Case for Nature in Long-Haul Space Exploration" by Kaufman et al. (2023): https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0265964623000425
"Second Star to the Right: Essays on Leadership and Star Trek": https://vernonpress.com/book/2348?srsltid=AfmBOoryKvMaSjTZ6mTVevEgwGA2dg9LiHWD7Y8Jt1WpR-r05UoA4Imh

Oct 19, 2025 • 52min
Episode 189: Bob Picardo Wants to Save NASA Science
Guest: Bob Picardo
Legendary Star Trek actor Bob Picardo beams aboard to talk about his decades-long work with The Planetary Society and his involvement in this October's Day of Action, where over 200 space advocates gathered in D.C. to speak to members of Congress about the importance of funding NASA science.
Learn more about The Planetary Society: https://www.planetary.org/
Read about October's Day of Action: https://www.planetary.org/articles/second-2025-day-of-action-retrospective
Watch Caltech's "Boldly Go!" musical: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YdtBArmWHdY
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Oct 4, 2025 • 33min
Episode 188: What Searching for Aliens Reveals About Ourselves
Mike reads his Noema Magazine essay "What Searching For Aliens Reveals About Ourselves."
Read the essay: https://www.noemamag.com/what-searching-for-aliens-reveals-about-ourselves/
Watch Mike's Royal Astronomical Society of Canada talk that inspired the essay: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bewJxOCdM5I

Sep 27, 2025 • 1h 19min
Episode 187: Love in a Jefferies Tube
Mike beams aboard Deep Space Love—a podcast that explores love, in all its forms, throughout the final frontier—to discuss the relationship between D'Vanna Tendi and Samanthan Rutherford on Star Trek: Lower Decks.
Check out more Deep Space Love: https://www.podpage.com/deep-space-love/
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