Kinsella On Liberty

Kinsella on Liberty Podcast, Episode 330. Lift Talks #2 — With Kinsella & Sammeroff. Grok summary shownotes: In this episode of Lift Talks [0:00–26:36], Stephan Kinsella and Anthony Sammeroff recount their Telluride skiing trip with humor and libertarian flair. They start by discussing a catered dinner party [1:02–2:23], where mask mandates were dismissed, and vaccine reactions sparked debate, reflecting their data-driven skepticism. Their conversation shifts to political labels [4:09–5:03], criticizing "liberals" and "progressives" while noting a natural affinity with conservatives over Democrats. They recap their journey from Houston to Auburn, Alabama [6:23–9:43], meeting libertarian figures like Jeff Barr and Roderick Long, and share gossip about factionalism in libertarian circles [10:00–12:45]. On the slopes, they enjoy fast runs like the Enchanted Forest [25:38–26:36], blending personal anecdotes with critiques of cultural norms. From [26:57–1:03:59], the duo dives deeper into libertarian philosophy and personal stories. Anthony shares a slope mishap where he jokingly insulted a stranger, mistaking him for Stephan [39:12–40:27], and they laugh over a gondola line encounter with a woman claiming cancer [47:24–49:53]. They reflect on intellectual curiosity [41:04–43:55], with Anthony linking his reasoning to a challenging upbringing, and Stephan joking about being "bitten by a radioactive Rothbard." They decide against extending their stay after Anthony’s skiing wrecks [51:21–58:39], opting for a final meal at West End Bistro [56:16–1:00:29], where they discuss truffle fries and libertarian ethics. The episode closes with a playful coffee shop exchange about Robert Redford [1:00:40–1:02:53], wrapping up with a montage of their top skiing speeds and a farewell from Stephan’s porch [1:03:01–1:03:59], leaving listeners with a mix of humor, philosophy, and adventure. Grok detailed shownotes and Transcript below. Update: mentioned in KOL462 | CouchStreams After Hours on Break the Cycle with Joshua Smith (2021). Two libertarian blokes on a ski vacation. Filmed Wednesday, March 31, 2021, Telluride Ski Resort. https://youtu.be/W-zKMncu4jo?si=dN9mgW-dkVbx-Btf Part 1: KOL329 | Lift Talks #1 With Kinsella & Sammeroff https://youtu.be/d1ZY0xm7coY?si=1rIL4Na8jnis4x_P Cross-posted on Scottish Liberty podcast. Bonus video: Three day skiing video compilation telluride March 2021 Grok detailed shownotes Bullet-Point Summary with Time Markers and Descriptions for 10–15 Minute Blocks Below is a bullet-point summary for use as show notes, organized into 10–15 minute blocks, each with a description and key points from the conversation, including time markers for significant moments. 0:00–14:46: Introduction and Trip Recap Description: The episode opens with Stephan and Anthony on a ski lift in Telluride, setting a casual, humorous tone. They share photos and stories from their trip, starting with a dinner party and moving into a recap of their travels from Houston to Auburn, Alabama, and then to Telluride. The conversation blends libertarian commentary with personal anecdotes, including mask mandate debates and libertarian gossip. Key Points: [0:00–0:24] Photos of the group in Telluride, including hot tub moments. [1:02–2:23] Discussion of a catered dinner party where mask mandates were dismissed, and vaccine reactions were debated, with a jab at "data deniers." [3:00–4:14] Anthony’s frustration at being late to ski, blaming Stephan’s leisurely pace. [4:09–5:03] Critique of political labels like "liberals" and "progressives," noting a closer affinity with conservatives. [6:23–8:58] Recap of their Auburn visit, meeting libertarian figures like Jeff Barr and Roderick Long, with Anthony excited about being recognized. [9:43–12:45] Libertarian gossip about Roderick Long’s alleged excommunication from the Mises Institute and Stephan’s cancellation by Cato, with humorous asides about factionalism. [13:15–14:46] Light-hearted banter about Anthony’s wife and their decision to ski in Telluride, with Anthony surprising Stephan by knowing how to ski. 14:46–29:04: Skiing Adventures and Cultural Reflections Description: The conversation shifts to their skiing experiences, with Stephan and Anthony enjoying the slopes and reflecting on cultural differences. They discuss a dinner party’s etiquette, libertarian philosophy, and Anthony’s decision to extend the trip. The segment is filled with humor, including jabs at each other’s personalities and social media antics. Key Points: [15:21–16:56] Discussion of the episode’s potential popularity, with Anthony arguing that casual chats humanize them compared to dense libertarian theory. [17:46–20:55] Travel logistics, including a stressful airport experience and cultural differences at a hotel breakfast, with Anthony snapping at a waiter. [22:14–24:34] Arrival in Telluride, with a visit to clothing-optional hot springs and a sweat lodge, followed by a vegetarian dinner with etiquette disputes. [25:38–26:36] Video clip of glade skiing in the Enchanted Forest, with no wrecks reported. [27:03–28:56] Plans to ski black diamond runs, with Stephan deciding to stay an extra day, prompting Anthony to jokingly complain about costs but agree to stay. 29:04–43:55: Libertarian Philosophy and Slope Mishaps Description: This segment dives into deeper libertarian reflections, with Anthony sharing a humorous skiing mishap where he mistook a stranger for Stephan. They discuss intellectual curiosity, linking it to personal struggles, and continue their playful banter about social norms and libertarian events. Key Points: [31:00–32:58] Discussion of dinner party etiquette, with Anthony charming a guest and reflecting on aristocratic norms. [33:01–34:14] Cultural observations about Jewish identity, with Anthony noting European awareness versus American indifference. [34:32–36:06] Anthony’s financial struggles post-trip, with a plug for his podcast and book, followed by banter about his music and philosophy degree. [39:12–40:46] Anthony’s slope mishap, where he jokingly insulted a stranger thinking it was Stephan, leading to laughter and an apology. [41:04–43:55] Reflection on intellectual curiosity, with Anthony attributing his reasoning to a challenging upbringing and Stephan joking about being “bitten by a radioactive Rothbard.” 43:55–58:39: Gondola Line Drama and Skiing Reflections Description: The conversation covers a tense gondola line encounter with a woman claiming cancer, sparking libertarian critiques of mask culture. They reflect on their skiing, with Anthony’s wrecks prompting a decision to end the trip early. The segment ends with a final meal at West End Bistro, blending humor with philosophical musings. Key Points: [44:27–45:21] Teasing about Peggy’s “dark side” Telluride house, a humorous take on first-world problems. [47:24–49:53] Gondola line incident where a woman demands space due to cancer, leading to Anthony’s skepticism and libertarian rants about mask mandates. [51:21–52:36] Anthony’s skiing wrecks, including a bad tumble on a black diamond run, prompting a decision not to extend the trip. [56:16–58:39] Final meal at West End Bistro, discussing veggie options and truffle fries, with a libertarian take on artificial flavors and fraud. 58:39–1:03:59: Wrap-Up and Farewell Description: The episode concludes with the duo at a coffee shop, joking about a Robert Redford sighting and cultural norms. They reflect on their trip, share a montage of skiing highlights, and sign off with a farewell from Stephan’s porch, hinting at future collaborations if the episode is well-received. Key Points: [59:04–1:00:29] Banter about a lukewarm hot tub, blamed humorously on Anthony, and enjoyment of West End Bistro’s ambiance. [1:00:40–1:02:53] Coffee shop exchange where Stephan pranks Anthony about Robert Redford, leading to jokes about celebrity encounters and Sundance. [1:03:01–1:03:59] Final montage showing their top skiing speed (51.2 mph) and a farewell from Stephan’s porch, with Anthony at his Houston Airbnb, expressing hope for future Lift Talks. These summaries capture the essence of the conversation, balancing humor, libertarian philosophy, and personal anecdotes, while adhering to the requested formats. Let me know if you need further refinements or additional details! Transcript 0:00 all right here's lift talk number two starting off with a few photos this is anthony and peggy 0:05 anthony and peggy and david at the bar across the street this is us in the hot tub 0:12 after one of our days skiing anthony like a greek god in the hot tub 0:17 and don't look at his junk me in the hot tub um and here we go 0:24 all right it's wednesday our last ski day that's right someone woke up at noon jesus i wonder who that could have been 0:31 yeah yeah anyway so we're going skiing late for some reason why don't you tell them all what 0:37 happened no let's just let them wonder um so what the funny thing is right this 0:42 guy's like uh he's like i don't know what happened this morning and i'm like i know and his friends are like what what what 0:50 and it's like you were a lazy [ __ ] so we had we had a nice dinner party 0:55 last night which was incredible yeah we had a chef come in can you put the pictures over the video yeah i can do that so um you know what 1:02 we should do let's oh so i put it on twitter i said you know we had a dinner party catered 1:08 to telluride for eight people three people were cooking and they asked us if they wanted 1:13

Kinsella on Liberty Podcast, Episode 329. Lift Talks #1 —Telluride March 2021 — With Kinsella & Sammeroff. Two libertarian blokes on a ski vacation. Filmed Tuesday March 30, 2021, Telluride Ski Resort. Grok summary shownotes: In the "Lift Talks" episode recorded in Telluride, Colorado, Stephan Kinsella and Anthony Sammeroff deliver a dynamic conversation while riding ski lifts, starting with humorous reflections on their trip [0:00-9:00]. They discuss their skiing adventures, hot springs visits, and encounters with COVID-19 mask policies, including a tense plane incident involving a dropped tissue and a stewardess enforcing federal mask laws [3:46-5:57]. Their libertarian perspective shines through as they mock passive-aggressive mask enforcers and recount a refreshing interaction with a store clerk who opposed mask mandates [6:09-7:06]. The hosts also share personal stories, like Sammeroff’s flirtatious banter about a vegan woman and a chance meeting with a friend from a yoga retreat, highlighting cultural differences between American and European directness [7:12-8:27]. The conversation deepens as they explore libertarian philosophy and critique political ideologies [21:11-36:29]. They debate the right’s realism versus the left’s egalitarianism, asserting that libertarians provide intellectual foundations often stolen by conservatives [21:17-22:28]. A discussion with guest Peggy around [44:02-48:46] reveals her partial alignment with libertarianism but concerns about policing without government, prompting Kinsella and Sammeroff to advocate for privatized security and critique public sector failures, like a case where police neglected rape victims [47:36-48:25]. The episode concludes with reflections on their friendship, Sammeroff’s newfound opportunities in America, and plans for future episodes, all infused with humor and philosophical insights [50:01-54:45]. Grok detailed shownotes and Transcript below. [Update: Tom Woods and Antony discuss his travels across American in Ep. 1895 Traveling Through COVID America. Also mentioned in KOL462 | CouchStreams After Hours on Break the Cycle with Joshua Smith (2021).] https://youtu.be/d1ZY0xm7coY?si=PJCg8cJDL3yxYjSl Part 2: KOL330 | Lift Talks #2 With Kinsella & Sammeroff https://youtu.be/W-zKMncu4jo?si=u_4smoT1fG-IchTC Cross-posted on Scottish Liberty podcast. Bonus video: Three day skiing video compilation telluride March 2021 Grok detailed shownotes Bullet-Point Summary with Time Markers and Descriptions for 10-15 Minute Blocks 0:00-10:00: Introduction and Ski Trip Anecdotes Description: The episode opens with Stephan Kinsella and Anthony Sammeroff introducing their "Lift Talks" concept while riding a gondola in Telluride, Colorado. They share photos from their trip, including hot springs visits and skiing with hosts Peggy and David. The conversation is lighthearted, focusing on their skiing experiences and humorous takes on mask enforcement. Summary: The hosts discuss their first two days skiing, including a visit to Orvis Hot Springs and a funny incident where Sammeroff struggled with the COVID-19 vaccine’s effects [2:00-2:12]. They recount a plane incident where a couple and stewardess chided Sammeroff for not wearing his mask properly [3:46-5:04], reflecting their libertarian disdain for mandates. They also mention meeting a store clerk who opposed masks, revealing a shared skepticism [6:09-7:06]. 10:01-20:00: Libertarian Banter and Cultural Observations Description: The hosts continue their lift ride, joking about their skiing skills, privilege, and cultural differences between Americans and Europeans. They touch on libertarian figures like Jeffrey Tucker and share stories from hot springs, including an encounter with a Native American man spouting spiritual beliefs. Summary: Sammeroff and Kinsella playfully debate their skiing prowess and privilege [10:00-10:26], with Sammeroff joking about needing a “privilege diet.” They critique American passive-aggressiveness compared to European directness [5:22-5:57] and recount a hot springs visit where a Native American man preached about rock and water [16:56-17:26]. The conversation briefly turns philosophical, questioning objective reality, but they pivot back to humor [18:19-18:30]. 20:01-30:00: Political Philosophy and Right vs. Left Critique Description: The discussion shifts to political theory, with the hosts critiquing the right’s realism and the left’s egalitarianism. They argue that libertarians provide intellectual foundations for conservatives, who often dismiss them. They also share stories from their travels, including an Uber driver’s shift toward free-market ideas. Summary: Kinsella and Sammeroff challenge Hans-Hermann Hoppe’s view that the right is more realistic, arguing that conservatives co-opt libertarian ideas without gratitude [21:17-22:28]. They discuss an Uber driver in Auburn who moved from Democratic to free-market sympathies after researching Trump [39:26-40:10]. The hosts also mention Oprah’s bridge in Telluride, mocking its extravagance [20:51-21:03]. 30:01-40:00: Libertarian Theory and Legal Philosophy Description: The conversation deepens into the distinctions between political philosophy, political theory, and legal theory. They explore libertarianism as a normative framework for law and economics, contrasting it with Marxist or conservative approaches. The hosts also plan a catered dinner and discuss mask preferences with the chef. Summary: Kinsella explains libertarianism as a normative political philosophy that argues for what law should be, distinguishing it from descriptive legal theory [33:04-36:29]. They critique political economy’s historical focus on state-run economies versus modern economics’ broader scope [37:31-38:01]. The hosts mention a chef asking about mask preferences, planning to gauge public sentiment on mandates [27:36-28:03]. 40:01-50:00: Guest Appearance and Libertarian Solutions Description: Guest Peggy joins the lift talk, expressing cautious support for libertarianism but raising concerns about policing without government. The hosts advocate for privatized security and critique public police failures. They also share lighthearted moments, like joking about a feminist T-shirt. Summary: Peggy agrees with less government but questions how to handle crime without police [44:02-45:12]. Kinsella and Sammeroff argue that private security would be more accountable, citing a case where police failed rape victims due to no legal obligation to protect [47:36-48:25]. They joke about a T-shirt reading “She Wants the Destruction of Patriarchy” [42:28-42:40]. 50:01-55:23: Reflections and Closing Description: The episode wraps up with reflections on their friendship, Sammeroff’s opportunities in America, and plans for future episodes. They share clips of skiing and dinner party photos, maintaining a humorous and optimistic tone. Summary: Sammeroff credits Kinsella for his newfound opportunities, including speaking engagements and book deals, contrasting this with his past in Scotland [51:41-53:50]. They joke about Kinsella’s past drinking and his book “Against Intellectual Property” [50:43-51:15]. The episode ends with a call for feedback on “Lift Talks” and photos from a beef Wellington dinner [54:39-55:16]. This summary captures the episode’s blend of humor, personal anecdotes, and libertarian philosophy, segmented into digestible blocks for show notes. Transcript 0:00 all right this is stefan kinsella and anthony summeroff will be joining me these are some 0:05 photographs of our trip to telluride our first day or two before we get to 0:11 this is the hot springs the orvis hot springs and ridgeway that we went to and this is uh 0:17 me and anthony on the left and me and anthony and david 0:22 and peggy are gracious hosts a few pictures taken on top of the 0:27 mountain me and anthony and then this is uh peggy and david and anthony 0:33 and here's me afraid to go down a hyper mowgli black which i did not go down and here 0:39 we go this is uh the beginning of lift talks 0:45 with anthony summeroff and stephen gonzalo how are you doing there i think 0:50 excellent you're looking forward to having a good lift talk on the left oh sure this has been like one of the best holidays 0:56 ever and we're only on the second freaking day i know i know right i know right okay we'll see 1:02 you on the left okay so this is we're about to get on the gondola head up 1:08 about to get on the gondola they ask you to put this over your mouth and nose which is what [ __ ] 1:29 [Music] 1:36 nicely done that was just a majestic as a gazelle 1:46 all right how elegantly i can compensate for my errors in life ah peace and quiet okay this is tuesday 1:54 we skied yesterday and we're on our second day starting off late starting off late because someone 2:00 couldn't get out of bed someone's recovering from the covet vaccine number two which all my libertarian friends warned me about 2:06 taking but i just didn't listen yeah you should have injected that poison into your 2:12 bloodstream yeah and feeling the effects so this whole trip has turned into a kobe trip because all 2:18 you do is complain about covet and get us in trouble and almost get kicked off of dead airplanes yeah so i 2:24 guess we should introduce you into some of the characters that we've met do you want to sit here so that we 2:29 can both be in the frame and tell the story i'll sit by you sweetie yeah you'll get some nice views 2:34 this is such a great idea i love this show the samurai can sell the show so 2:41

Kinsella on Liberty Podcast, Episode 328. This is my appearance on Heterodorx Episode 10: I.P. Everywhere!, hosted by Nina Paley and Corinna Cohn (posted March 29, 2021; recorded March 25, 2021). Nina is also on the C4SIF Advisory Board. From the shownotes (see also Nina's Facebook post): Get ready for some hardcore Libertarian nerd-talk, as Corinna goes head-to-head with Stephan Kinsella, author of Against Intellectual Property, and Libertarianism’s foremost critic of copyright and patents.  Thrill to dazzling theories of labor vs. action, restrictive covenants, negative easements, burdened estates, nuisances, limitations, consent, redistribution of rights, triangular intervention, property, scarcity, value, allocation of contestable resources, conflict, trade secrets, the Patent Bargain, disclosure, distortion, abolishing the FDA…wait, what? By the end of the episode, Corinna suffers a long-overdue crisis of faith. SUCCESS! Related links: Stephan Kinsella, Against Intellectual Property C4SIF.org Resources http://c4sif.org/resources/ Intellectual Property Rights as Negative Servitudes Karl Fogel:The Surprising History of Copyright and The Promise of a Post-Copyright World and https://youtu.be/mhBpI13dxkI Boldrin & Levine, Against Intellectual Monopoly “Conversation with an author about copyright and publishing in a free society” (Harry Potter example) “Intellectual Property” as an umbrella term and as propaganda: a reply to Richard Stallman  A Selection of Kinsella’s Best Articles and Speeches on IP

Kinsella on Liberty Podcast, Episode 327. I was asked some questions about intellectual property, and how you can sell something (like information, or ideas, or even your labor) if you don't own it, by Shea Fisker, a budding libertarian and fellow libertarian. He had just the right attitude. He listened and thought, and asked reasonable questions when he had an issue that puzzled him. Would that so many cocksure pro-IP libertarians, who really know almost nothing about IP law itself and the fundamentals of libertarian property theory, or even how to argue or discuss issues without being tendentious, equivocating, or question-begging. Youtube below: Here is the interchange which led to this discussion (lightly edited), along with related links: Shea: Hi Stephan, I’m interested in your work on IP. If someone is creating digital products, do you think it’s OK to sell them, even though they are neither non-rivalrous nor non-excludable, simply with IP removed from the picture? For example, I noticed most of your books are in physical form, embodying legit private property, but one of your books is available in Kindle and isn’t for free. Is the thought simply that selling such an informational, non-physical product is purely a voluntary, contractual exchange, and that it is only the stopping of people from freely sharing that good with others after that purchase (IP) that is wrong? There’s seemingly something tricky about even the selling of the thing, say a piece of software, when the creator could hardly be considered the owner of it in the first place. But, perhaps I am confusing something here, because to say someone couldn’t even sell a digital/informational product that they created, IP aside, seems akin to some sort of enforced communism. I hope that makes sense. I’d love to hear your thoughts. BTW, I’m from New Iberia and went to LSU in BR. In one way, it is analogous to say, charging someone for consulting, which is simply the exchange of words, which one can’t be said to own. And to say one couldn’t legitimately (according to libertarian principles) sell a digital product at scale, would be equivalent to saying one must be forced to do all consulting publicly for the whole world to consume anytime that one tries to privately exchange a one-to-one service that isn’t physical. So I think I aiming to clarify two things here and am somehow wrongly mixing them up: 1) the physical vs. non-physical; and 2) IP vs. selling. I am still not sure where the concept of ownership fits in here, but if we grant that selling of anything that doesn’t violate other peoples’ property is fine, then it shouldn’t matter whether the thing is scarce or not as to whether one can sell it for money. In other words, I could charge you $1000 for me to tell you “Hello” one time, if you consent to that exchange. *** Not to overload you here straight out the gate, but in one of your PorcFest talks I just heard you say “Creation is not a source of property, it’s a source of wealth.” I think this point may be key in the issues I’m bringing up above. Kinsella: It would take me a bit to write up an answer. Tell you what, I'll be happy to explain it to you, but on a zoom call so I can record it and put it on my podcast, so others can hear the explanation.... In the meantime read this: The “If you own something, that implies that you can sell it; if you sell something, that implies you must own it first” Fallacies Hoppe on Property Rights in Physical Integrity vs Value Locke on IP; Mises, Rothbard, and Rand on Creation, Production, and ‘Rearranging’  see p. 29 et pass of Law and Intellectual Property in a Stateless Society “Intellectual Freedom and Learning Versus Patent and Copyright,” esp. the section "Creation of Wealth versus Creation of Property" and KOL062 | “Intellectual Freedom and Learning versus Patent and Copyright” (2010)

Kinsella on Liberty Podcast, Episode 326. [Update: Transcript appended below] Back on May 24, 2020, I appeared on the Scottish Liberty Podcast, with hosts Antony Sammeroff and Tom Laird. We discussed IP and related matters, including Sammeroff’s recent debate on the topic of IP with pro-IP Randian law professor Adam Mossoff. I was a bit drunk and it shows, and went off on a rant and was not as coherent as usual. The episode was entitled "Under the Influence... of Stephan Kinsella... Against Intellectual Property". We recorded a second episode on May 30, 2020, entitled "A Sober Conversation with Stephan Kinsella...," which was released as KOL289. I just realized I never posted the initial episode, so here it is, warts and all (unfortunately for fans of my drunken rants, I have quit drinking alcohol since I realized it's a destructive poison with no benefits at all, so this won't happen again). Previous episode: KOL289 | Scottish Liberty Podcast: Discussing the Mossoff-Sammeroff IP Debate, Take 2: A Sober Conversation… See various links, embeds, notes below. Youtube of the current discussion: Previous Youtube from KOL289. Antony’s previous debate with Mossoff: In his remarks, Mossoff mentioned this paper by Stephen Haber as supporting the empirical case for patents (funny, I thought the Objectivists had principles): Stephen Haber, “Patents and the Wealth of Nations,” 23 Geo. Mason L.Rev. 811 (2016). I have read through it as much as I can stand and provide my critical commentary here:  “The Overwhelming Empirical Case Against Patent and Copyright”–see in particular note 3 and accompanying text. ❧ Transcript Scottish Liberty Podcast: Discussing the Mossoff-Sammeroff IP Debate, Take 1: Under the Influence of Stephan Kinsella: Against Intellectual Property (May 21, 2020) [Transcript of "Scottish Liberty Podcast: Discussing the Mossoff-Sammeroff IP Debate, Take 1: Under the Influence..." (May 21, 2020)] 00:00:03 TOM LAIRD: Welcome to episode 155 of the Scottish Liberty podcast with me, Tom Laird and, of course, the man who can, Antony Sammeroff. 00:00:13 ANTONY SAMMEROFF: That’s me. 00:00:13 TOM LAIRD: And possibly the man who can, Stephen Kinsella, big hitter from the Mises Institute and patent lawyer extraordinaire, and there he goes. 00:00:25 ANTONY SAMMEROFF: Author of Against Intellectual Property, a very influential book in the libertarian movement I have to say. 00:00:33 STEPHAN KINSELLA: The most intellectual book, and get my name right.  Let’s say Stephan.  Let’s say it.  Okay, can you guys say with me Stephanie?  Say it with me, Stephanie. 00:00:43 TOM LAIRD: Stephanie. 00:00:44 STEPHAN KINSELLA: Okay.  Take off the E.  Stephan. 00:00:47 ANTONY SAMMEROFF: Stephan.  Did you call him Stephen Kinsella?  Did you call him – did you actually call him Stephen Kinsella in the intro? 00:00:55 TOM LAIRD: Who? 00:00:55 STEPHAN KINSELLA: Yeah, he did.  It’s fine.  I’m used to it.  I’m used to it. 00:00:59 TOM LAIRD: It you want it pronounced differently, spell it differently. 00:01:03 00:01:05 STEPHAN KINSELLA: You can’t blame someone’s mother – so this is the thing.  You can’t blame their mother, man.  You’ve got to – there’s boundaries. 00:01:13 ANTONY SAMMEROFF: Well, I know.  I blame my mom for tons of shit. 00:01:17 STEPHAN KINSELLA: Like what? 00:01:18 ANTONY SAMMEROFF: I don’t know if I should say it publicly. 00:01:25 STEPHAN KINSELLA: Well, then don’t tease us.  Come on. 00:01:27 ANTONY SAMMEROFF: My ex-girlfriend blamed my mom’s mom for tons of shit as well. 00:01:33 STEPHAN KINSELLA: Like what?  Give me one example, just one. 00:01:36 00:01:39 ANTONY SAMMEROFF: I don’t – right at the beginning of the show?  There might be new listeners tuning from Twitter.  I tell you what.  They’ll have to actually start one of those websites where they vote.  If 100 people sign the petition, Antony will disclose embarrassing details of the way that his mom scarred him in childhood. 00:01:58 STEPHAN KINSELLA: You are so sweet.  You Scottish people are so sweet. 00:02:03 TOM LAIRD: Well, look.  It can’t get any more embarrassing than your pimp’s cushion that you’ve got behind you there. 00:02:09 ANTONY SAMMEROFF: Do you like that?  Look, I’ve got a nice set.  For those of you who are on… 00:02:14 STEPHAN KINSELLA: It’s like a – is it a Bengal tiger or what the hell is that? 00:02:18 ANTONY SAMMEROFF: For those of you listening through your podcast app, I am actually setting up against a leopard skin – leopard pillow. 00:02:27 STEPHAN KINSELLA: Do you have a Jabra too?  You have a Jabra too.  We’re both Jabra – Jabra buddies. 00:02:32 ANTONY SAMMEROFF: Jabra.  That’s really funny.  When I was in college, there was a group of weird jock guys that started calling me Tony Jabroni for some reason just because it rhymed.  It doesn’t even mean anything.  They just liked it.  And now I’m a real jabroni, Jabro.  I put the bro in Jabra. 00:02:53 STEPHAN KINSELLA: So when you say you went to college, what did you go to college in? 00:02:56 ANTONY SAMMEROFF: Oh God.  I didn’t know that I was going to be the interview guest. 00:02:59 TOM LAIRD: Exactly.  We’re doing the questions here, Mr. Kinsella. 00:03:02 STEPHAN KINSELLA: Well, I mean he – you brought it up.  It’s a point of interest. 00:03:07 TOM LAIRD: Okay.  Antony, you’re going to have to tell us now. 00:03:09 ANTONY SAMMEROFF: These are the golden moments that people listen to Scottish Liberty podcast for.  It’s not about the politics.  It’s about the banter. 00:03:17 TOM LAIRD: It’s not about that cushion.  But anyway, go for it. 00:03:19 00:03:21 ANTONY SAMMEROFF: Well, I studied popular music, and then I went and studied music and philosophy, and then I did a post grad in counseling studies. 00:03:30 STEPHAN KINSELLA: So things you could have done without a college degree. 00:03:34 ANTONY SAMMEROFF: Well, I mean – yeah, pretty much. 00:03:37 STEPHAN KINSELLA: No.  I’m fucking with you but… 00:03:38 TOM LAIRD: He could have. 00:03:38 STEPHAN KINSELLA: Defend yourself.  Defend yourself, my brother. 00:03:41 ANTONY SAMMEROFF: I wouldn’t have had the – I actually… 00:03:43 TOM LAIRD: The fun and the drinking. 00:03:46 ANTONY SAMMEROFF: Yeah.  One of my reasons for going was I thought people like me should have a degree.  That’s how pretentious I was at 22. 00:03:54 TOM LAIRD: Okay.  First question. 00:03:58 STEPHAN KINSELLA: What did you do your degree in? 00:04:01 TOM LAIRD: No, no, no.  It’s different. 00:04:02 ANTONY SAMMEROFF: Wait, wait.  Wait, wait, wait. 00:04:06 STEPHAN KINSELLA: He’s changing subject. 00:04:06 ANTONY SAMMEROFF: What did you do your degree in? 00:04:08 TOM LAIRD: So much for Antony losing his voice. 00:04:13 STEPHAN KINSELLA: His voice is – so it’s just me and you because his voice is out. 00:04:17 TOM LAIRD: Exactly.  So first question and it’s an important question. 00:04:19 ANTONY SAMMEROFF: I feel bullied. 00:04:20 TOM LAIRD: Considering we were talking about Rush before this started.  So the question is why didn’t America get prog rock? 00:04:28 STEPHAN KINSELLA: Well, I would challenge the assumption.  I mean why would you say that it didn’t get prog rock?  I mean I think that we did. 00:04:41 TOM LAIRD: Some Americans did, but it didn’t really take off in the way that it took off in Europe or elsewhere.  There wasn’t really – it was more kind of niche thing in America I would – that was my take on it.  It wasn’t very radio friendly. 00:04:57 STEPHAN KINSELLA: Are you a prog rock guy? 00:04:59 TOM LAIRD: Yeah, I’m a big proggie kind of guy. 00:05:03 STEPHAN KINSELLA: So Rush is like the pinnacle, right?  And Yngwie Malmsteen and Triumph and that kind of stuff, right? 00:05:09 TOM LAIRD: Well, Yngwie Malmsteen doesn’t – you’re not getting Yngwie Malmsteen in prog there.  I’m not having Yngwie Malmsteen. 00:05:16 STEPHAN KINSELLA: I know.  I know.  I know.  I know.  I have a 16-year-old son, and he can school me on everything, but he can’t get his driver’s license without my help.  So it’s like a symbiotic thing but… 00:05:30 ANTONY SAMMEROFF: It’s a symbiotic thing except for he’s like the parasite that’s sucking out your will to live with his criticism of every little thing that… 00:05:37 STEPHAN KINSELLA: Yeah, but that’s the point of having kids, to have a parasite. 00:05:41 00:05:44 TOM LAIRD: I guess.  I guess. 00:05:47 ANTONY SAMMEROFF: So… 00:05:48 STEPHAN KINSELLA: Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, let’s go back up.  What do you mean you guess?  That was like a very vague, noncommittal. 00:05:58 TOM LAIRD: I’m sorry.  I have to keep you to the subject here.  Why doesn’t America… 00:06:03 STEPHAN KINSELLA: You don’t want to go to you. 00:06:06 TOM LAIRD: Why didn’t America get prog in the way that other countries got it? 00:06:10 STEPHAN KINSELLA: I mean why didn’t – I don’t know – Bulgaria get it?  I don’t know.  Why is America special? 00:06:16 TOM LAIRD: You can believe they got it. 00:06:18 STEPHAN KINSELLA: Really? 00:06:19 TOM LAIRD: Yeah. 00:06:20 STEPHAN KINSELLA: Tell me more. 00:06:21 TOM LAIRD: Okay.  So favorite Rush album. 00:06:28 00:06:31 STEPHAN KINSELLA: Probably Permanent Waves. 00:06:33 TOM LAIRD: Permanent Waves.  Okay, we’ll go for it. 00:06:35 ANTONY SAMMEROFF: Is it the one that goes [guitar sounds]?  I love that Rush tune, love that Rush tune. 00:06:44 STEPHAN KINSELLA: Give me 60 more seconds and I’ll tell you. 00:06:49 TOM LAIRD: Gee.  You’re a Rush fan, for cryin’ out loud.

Kinsella on Liberty Podcast, Episode 325. This is my appearance on the Nate the Voluntaryist Livestream #202, released March 15, 2021 (Nate’s Bitchute channel). Shownotes: "Stephan Kinsella is back for more about Hoppe and who will succeed him in the world of Austrian economics, plus a Q&A." Previous appearance: KOL311 | Nate the Voluntaryist Livestream #194: IP, the CDA, DMCA, Argumentation Ethics, and More

Kinsella on Liberty Podcast, Episode 324. I was on Aleks Svetski's show Wake Up, Ep. 37. Youtube: From his shownotes: Stephan Kinsella is a Patent Attorney in Texas, Austrian AnCap philosopher, writer & hands down one of the smarter & most well-read people I've ever spoken to. In this ep, we discuss: - SK's Journey on Why or how he become a libertarian - Where Austrian Econ fit in? - A little about Bitcoin coming on the radar, and "fixing this". We discuss consistency of thought, principles and ideas. A little on Patent Law & Private property, although we'll probably do an Ep 2 in this. We explore: - Rand's critique on Anarchy - Rand's support of IP The difference between ownership & possession - Is Ownership is that which you can protect? - How do you prove initial possession? - How do you enforce ownership? Are the rules & norms of a community or city a sort of constitution? How do these rules scale across populations? How do you synchronise those larger scale ideas with societies that have different values, ie; the Confucian east? War is expensive only with sound money (Bitcoin fixes this) We dig into a bit about private property rights from both the Lockean view & a more tangible viewpoint inspired by Hoppe. "The entire point of property rights is to solve conflict." And I ask the question: Why are Libertarians not as widely thrilled about Bitcoin as one might expect them to be? There was a series of books that Stephan also mentioned. I've listed them here for you: Walter Block: I chose liberty - Assortment of stories about how people became libertarians. Randy Barnett - The structure of Liberty Hoppe - A theory of Socialism & Capitalism - Economics & ethics of Private property Mises: - Ultimate foundation of economic science Rothbard: - The logic of action 1 & 2 - Economic controversies

Kinsella on Liberty Podcast, Episode 323. Jed Grant and I appeared on the World Crypto Network channel with host Thomas Hunt to discuss the looming patent threat to bitcoin. Jed is Founder of the Open Crypto Alliance, for which I serve on the Advisory Board. Shownotes: Patents help protect the intellectual property of inventors and creators, but on occasion those same creators choose to make their works available to everyone, free of charge. Unfortunately, some predatory entities, known as patent trolls, prey on the users of these technologies through the civil courts. Their latest target? Cryptocurrency and blockchain technology, which is why blockchain industry leaders and legal experts – including today’s guests, Stephan Kinsella & Jed Grant – have come together to form the Open Crypto Alliance, a group dedicated to preserving cryptocurrency & bitcoin technology’s open-source origins.

Eleonore Blanc, Amsterdam-based crypto educator and meetup organiser; Stefan Kinsella, patent attorney and libertarian legal theorist; Jed Grant, founder of the Open Crypto Alliance fighting abusive blockchain patents. They discuss the patent threat to Bitcoin, open-source forks and governance, prior-art crowdsourcing to stop patent trolls, wallet UX and adoption, and tensions around KYC/AML and crypto freedom.

Kinsella on Liberty Podcast, Episode 321. This is my appearance The Tatiana Show, episode 296, with host Tatiana Moroz, in which Jed Grant and I discussed the looming patent threat to bitcoin. Jed is Founder of the Open Crypto Alliance, for which I serve on the Advisory Board. Tatiana’s shownotes below. The Youtube video is here: