

Church Disrupted
Jeff Cochran
Taking on church hurt and spiritual abuse one conversation at a time. If you’ve been hurt by the church, you’re not alone. Together, we can heal. Together, we can bring about change. It’s time to take a stand!
*Church Disrupted is a production of the Spiritual Abuse Institute. Learn more about our work at: https://www.spiritualabuse.institute/
*Church Disrupted is a production of the Spiritual Abuse Institute. Learn more about our work at: https://www.spiritualabuse.institute/
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Apr 17, 2025 • 46min
078: From Gospel to Gimmick: What Happened to Easter in Evangelicalism?
Is Easter still about Jesus... or has it become a flashy production built on gimmicks, entertainment, and clickbait ads?In this episode of the Church Disrupted podcast, Jeff peels back the pastel curtain on what’s really happening in churches this time of year—from helicopter egg drops and 4/20-themed promotions to salvation “metrics” that would make the Apostle Paul cringe.We’re diving into 3 troubling trends that reveal a deeper issue in the modern church:🚨 Churches advertising to people instead of engaging with them🚨 Church becoming more of an event to attend than a community to belong to🚨 A shallow version of salvation that doesn’t reflect the call to count the cost✝️ Using scripture, real examples, and honest questions, Jeff challenges both church leaders and everyday believers to rethink how we measure impact—and what we’re actually offering people this Easter.Whether you agree, disagree, or land somewhere in between, stick around to the end for practical takeaways to help your church center Jesus, not gimmicks, this Easter season.👇 Drop your thoughts in the comments:Are we reaching people with the gospel or just selling a religious product? Let’s talk about it.Find out more about the Spiritual Abuse Institute and the Church Disrupted Podcast at https://www.spiritualabuse.institute/.Join the disrupt campaign by giving here: https://www.spiritualabuse.institute/about/disruptgivingcampaignJoin the church disrupted COMMUNITY here: https://discord.gg/nbWwg8Sz6ZLearn more about the Safe Church Pledge Here: https://www.spiritualabuse.institute/safechurchpledgeCheck out our Awareness Apparel HERE: https://church-disrupted.sellfy.storePlease Subscribe and Share!📌 Chapters:0:00 - Helicopters, Hashtags & Hype: A Gospel Wake-Up Call2:40 - Why This Conversation Matters4:28 - Trend #1: Ads Over Actual Engagement14:25 - Trend #2: Entertainment Over Ecclesia24:52 - Trend #3: Easy Believism & Shallow Salvation42:25 - A Better Way: 3 Challenges for the ChurchFair Use Disclaimer:This video may contain copyrighted material the use of which has not always been specifically authorized by the copyright owner. All clips used are protected by the Fair Use Doctrine within Title 17 of the United States Code. This doctrine safeguards the use of copyrighted material for transformative purposes, such as commentary, criticism, review and news reporting. Under Title 17 U.S.C. § 512(f), any person who makes a false, bad faith, or misleading copyright claim or uses a copyright takedown to infringe on free speech, criticism, or commentary can be held liable for damages to the content creator.Hosseinzadeh v. Klein, 276 F.Supp.3d 34 (S.D.N.Y. 2017); Equals Three, LLC v. Jukin Media, Inc., 139 F. Supp. 3d 1094 (C.D. Cal. 2015).

Apr 4, 2025 • 1h 60min
077: THIS Church Planting Network Raises MAJOR QUESTIONS About Church Growth Culture
What if the way we’re planting churches is actually HARMING the Church?In this episode of the Church Disrupted Podcast, Jeff Cochran takes a closer look at the launch of the WIN Network—a new church planting network started by Faith Promise Church in Knoxville, Tennessee. With a vision to "WIN" 70,000 people in Tennessee, this network raises big questions about scalability, transparency, and church health.We’re not just asking how many churches are being planted—we’re asking what kind of churches?! Are leaders being set up to thrive or to burn out? Are systems being built for health or for hype? And at what point does church “growth” start to look like a dangerous game?Whether you're a pastor, a church planter, or a Christian who just cares deeply about the future of the Church, this conversation is one you can't afford to miss.👉 Watch till the end for practical insights and red flags to look out for in any fast-growing church movement.Use these Chapter markers to skip ahead in the action:0:00 - Intro03:28 - Important Disclaimers04:22 -Jeff used to be part of this Church08:25 - How this Network got on our Radar13:35 - We Had Some Questions... and they BLOCKED US!20:01 - Church Growth Games that Get in the Way of Love23:28 - The Lens of Christianity... & the Solution to the Games27:48 - Do you feel the love?28:49 - Watch Out for this Part of Church Growth Culture29:31 - Churches Either Live it OR Talk About it41:38 - 7 Reasons Why the WIN Network may be a LOSING Proposition42:29 - REASON 1: Living Up to their OWN Standard47:36 - REASON 2: Concerning Past Behaviors50:41 - REASON 3: Navigating Internal Challenges1:15:04 - REASON 4: Are There Better Options?1:19:44 - REASON 5: Unclarity in Vision & Direction1:24:15 - REASON 6: A Concerning History & Troubling Stat1:38:31 - High Control Concerns & Language Over Clarity?1:47:20 - WINNERS & LOSERSArticles Referenced:- https://www.disrupted.church/tennessee-mega-church-launches-risky--questionable-new-ministry- https://www.verywellmind.com/what-is-a-cult-5078234Find out more about the Spiritual Abuse Institute and the Church Disrupted Podcast at https://www.spiritualabuse.institute/.Want to support SAI financially?https://donorbox.org/sai-initial-funding-campaignJoin the church disrupted COMMUNITY here: https://discord.gg/nbWwg8Sz6ZLearn more about the Safe Church Pledge Here: https://www.spiritualabuse.institute/safechurchpledgeCheck out our Awareness Apparel HERE: https://church-disrupted.sellfy.storePlease Subscribe and Share!Fair Use Disclaimer:This video may contain copyrighted material the use of which has not always been specifically authorized by the copyright owner. All clips used are protected by the Fair Use Doctrine within Title 17 of the United States Code. This doctrine safeguards the use of copyrighted material for transformative purposes, such as commentary, criticism, review and news reporting. Under Title 17 U.S.C. § 512(f), any person who makes a false, bad faith, or misleading copyright claim or uses a copyright takedown to infringe on free speech, criticism, or commentary can be held liable for damages to the content creator.Hosseinzadeh v. Klein, 276 F.Supp.3d 34 (S.D.N.Y. 2017); Equals Three, LLC v. Jukin Media, Inc., 139 F. Supp. 3d 1094 (C.D. Cal. 2015).

Mar 26, 2025 • 1h 6min
076: Church as We Know It… Isn’t in the Bible
What if the way we "do church" today isn’t actually biblical?In this eye-opening episode of the Church Disrupted Podcast, Jeff Cochran sits down with Dr. Tom Wadsworth, a biblical scholar, to explore how the early church functioned—and why modern worship services may have more to do with tradition than Scripture. From worship and leadership to buildings and Sunday routines, we’re asking: What did Jesus really have in mind for His church?Whether you're a church leader, a curious believer, or someone burned out by organized religion, this conversation will challenge assumptions and invite you to look at the Church with fresh eyes.🧠 Subscribe for more conversations that challenge toxic systems and reimagine church with Jesus at the center.👇 Drop your thoughts in the comments: Is today’s church structure biblical—or broken?Please Subscribe and Share!Check out Tom's channel here: https://www.youtube.com/@tomwadsworthJoin the disrupt campaign by giving here: https://www.spiritualabuse.institute/about/disruptgivingcampaignFind out more about the Spiritual Abuse Institute and the Church Disrupted Podcast at https://www.spiritualabuse.institute/.Join the church disrupted COMMUNITY here: https://discord.gg/nbWwg8Sz6ZLearn more about the Safe Church Pledge Here: https://www.spiritualabuse.institute/safechurchpledgeCheck out our Awareness Apparel HERE: https://church-disrupted.sellfy.storeWant to support SAI financially?https://donorbox.org/sai-initial-funding-campaignFair Use Disclaimer:This video may contain copyrighted material the use of which has not always been specifically authorized by the copyright owner. All clips used are protected by the Fair Use Doctrine within Title 17 of the United States Code. This doctrine safeguards the use of copyrighted material for transformative purposes, such as commentary, criticism, review and news reporting. Under Title 17 U.S.C. § 512(f), any person who makes a false, bad faith, or misleading copyright claim or uses a copyright takedown to infringe on free speech, criticism, or commentary can be held liable for damages to the content creator.Hosseinzadeh v. Klein, 276 F.Supp.3d 34 (S.D.N.Y. 2017); Equals Three, LLC v. Jukin Media, Inc., 139 F. Supp. 3d 1094 (C.D. Cal. 2015).

Mar 17, 2025 • 49min
075: Church Scandals Follow a Pattern—This Study Shows How to Stop Them
What if I told you that church scandals aren’t random? The biggest church failures, cover-ups, and abuses all follow a repeatable, predictable pattern. In this episode, we’re breaking down groundbreaking research that exposes the hidden warning signs of toxic leadership and church misconduct.The Building Safer Churches Report analyzed 100 churches that faced public scandal and uncovered shocking insights. If churches don’t change, the next scandal is already brewing.This isn’t about tearing down the church—it’s about saving it from itself. We’re exposing the three-step pattern that fuels church corruption and giving practical steps to break the cycle before the next scandal hits. It all starts with radical transparency, real accountability, and committed protective measures.💡 WATCH NOW to uncover the data that could prevent the next big church scandal.📖 Read the full research report: https://www.spiritualabuse.institute/about/researchprojects📌 Sign the Safe Church Pledge: https://www.spiritualabuse.institute/safechurchpledge💙 Support This Work With a Financial Gift: https://donorbox.org/sai-initial-funding-campaignFind out more about the Spiritual Abuse Institute and the Church Disrupted Podcast at https://www.spiritualabuse.institute/Want to support SAI financially?https://donorbox.org/sai-initial-funding-campaignJoin the church disrupted COMMUNITY here: https://discord.gg/nbWwg8Sz6ZCheck out our Awareness Apparel HERE: https://church-disrupted.sellfy.storePlease Subscribe and Share!Fair Use Disclaimer:This video may contain copyrighted material the use of which has not always been specifically authorized by the copyright owner. All clips used are protected by the Fair Use Doctrine within Title 17 of the United States Code. This doctrine safeguards the use of copyrighted material for transformative purposes, such as commentary, criticism, review and news reporting. Under Title 17 U.S.C. § 512(f), any person who makes a false, bad faith, or misleading copyright claim or uses a copyright takedown to infringe on free speech, criticism, or commentary can be held liable for damages to the content creator.Hosseinzadeh v. Klein, 276 F.Supp.3d 34 (S.D.N.Y. 2017); Equals Three, LLC v. Jukin Media, Inc., 139 F. Supp. 3d 1094 (C.D. Cal. 2015).

Mar 5, 2025 • 1h 12min
074: Popular DFW Pastor Fails The Biblical Test For Leadership—Should He Step Down?
Is this mega church pastor biblically qualified to lead their church? According to Scripture, pastors and church leaders must meet clear biblical standards—but does this pastor's leadership align with those qualifications?In this video, we break down:✅ The biblical requirements for pastors and elders (1 Timothy 3, Titus 1, James 3:1)✅ Where this pastor fails the biblical test for leadership✅ How this church's leadership model raises serious concerns✅ Why biblical accountability is necessary for church leaders todayMany churches today prioritize influence over integrity—but true biblical leadership is about servanthood, accountability, and godly character. This isn’t just about one pastor—it’s a conversation about how the church should handle leaders who fail biblical qualifications.💬 Do you believe this pastor should step down? Does your church hold leaders accountable? Let’s continue the conversation in the comments.Find out more about the Spiritual Abuse Institute and the Church Disrupted Podcast at https://www.spiritualabuse.institute/.Want to support SAI financially? https://donorbox.org/sai-initial-funding-campaignJoin the church disrupted COMMUNITY here: https://discord.gg/nbWwg8Sz6ZLearn more about the Safe Church Pledge Here: https://www.spiritualabuse.institute/safechurchpledgeCheck out our Awareness Apparel HERE: https://church-disrupted.sellfy.storePlease Subscribe and Share!Chapters:00:00 Introduction: The Need to Address Dangerous Pastors00:16 Identifying the Dangerous Pastor00:57 The Good and Bad News02:09 The Importance of Early Intervention03:24 Zero Tolerance for Spiritual Abuse4:04 Seven Charges Against Landon Schott07:29 Biblical Case for Disqualification14:20 Misuse of Scripture and False Teachings20:17 The Accuser of the Brethren34:32 The Importance of Elders' Reputation36:22 Misuse of Scripture and Image Repair Tactics37:56 Examples of Abusive Pastors40:44 Accusations and the Abusers' Playbook46:15 Landon Schott's Disqualification and Public Backing of Dr. Michael Brown56:57 The Call for Repentance and Accountability01:03:17 Final Thoughts and Call to ActionFair Use Disclaimer:This video may contain copyrighted material the use of which has not always been specifically authorized by the copyright owner. All clips used are protected by the Fair Use Doctrine within Title 17 of the United States Code. This doctrine safeguards the use of copyrighted material for transformative purposes, such as commentary, criticism, review and news reporting. Under Title 17 U.S.C. § 512(f), any person who makes a false, bad faith, or misleading copyright claim or uses a copyright takedown to infringe on free speech, criticism, or commentary can be held liable for damages to the content creator.Hosseinzadeh v. Klein, 276 F.Supp.3d 34 (S.D.N.Y. 2017); Equals Three, LLC v. Jukin Media, Inc., 139 F. Supp. 3d 1094 (C.D. Cal. 2015).

Mar 3, 2025 • 1h
073: What Your Pastor Won't Tell You About Church Discipline... But EVERY Christian Should Know
What if everything you thought you knew about church discipline was wrong? Many pastors avoid talking about the truth behind church discipline, leaving Christians confused, misinformed, or even spiritually harmed when it’s applied incorrectly.In this video, we’re uncovering what most pastors won’t tell you—the real purpose of church discipline, where churches get it wrong, and how the Bible actually teaches us to handle sin, correction, and accountability in a way that restores and protects, not destroys.🚨 We’ll cover:✅ Why church discipline often fails—and how it should actually work✅ The biggest church discipline mistakes pastors make✅ What the Bible REALLY says about church discipline ✅ How to recognize when church discipline is being misused💬 Have you ever seen church discipline done well? Or have you experienced it being abused? Let’s talk in the comments!Find out more about the Spiritual Abuse Institute and the Church Disrupted Podcast at https://www.spiritualabuse.institute/.Want to support SAI financially?https://donorbox.org/sai-initial-funding-campaignJoin the church disrupted COMMUNITY here: https://discord.gg/nbWwg8Sz6ZLearn more about the Safe Church Pledge Here: https://www.spiritualabuse.institute/safechurchpledgePlease Subscribe and Share!Chapters:00:00 Introduction: The Misunderstood Biblical Teaching00:47 The Importance of Church Discipline01:16 Jesus' Warning in Matthew 18:603:13 The Biblical Guide to Church Discipline03:31 Misconceptions About Church Discipline04:17 Understanding Matthew 18:15-2007:21 The Role of Witnesses in Church Discipline08:37 Public Correction and Its Implications15:33 Paul's Approach to Church Discipline15:46 The Case of the Corinthian Church20:12 The Broader Impact of Sin in the Church21:35 Paul's Instructions on Handling Sin26:10 Restoration After Discipline29:28 Rebuking Church Elders30:14 Establishing Credibility Before Accusing Elders31:09 Public Reprimand as a Deterrent31:45 Historical Context of Elders in the Church33:11 Case Studies and Modern Examples34:07 The Importance of Public Rebuke35:16 Scriptural Basis for Public Rebuke39:06 Misinterpretations and Correcting Divisions42:12 Examples of Public Rebuke in Scripture51:28 Practical Takeaways for Modern Church Discipline58:23 Final Thoughts and Viewer EngagementFair Use Disclaimer:This video may contain copyrighted material the use of which has not always been specifically authorized by the copyright owner. All clips used are protected by the Fair Use Doctrine within Title 17 of the United States Code. This doctrine safeguards the use of copyrighted material for transformative purposes, such as commentary, criticism, review and news reporting. Under Title 17 U.S.C. § 512(f), any person who makes a false, bad faith, or misleading copyright claim or uses a copyright takedown to infringe on free speech, criticism, or commentary can be held liable for damages to the content creator.Hosseinzadeh v. Klein, 276 F.Supp.3d 34 (S.D.N.Y. 2017); Equals Three, LLC v. Jukin Media, Inc., 139 F. Supp. 3d 1094 (C.D. Cal. 2015).

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Feb 26, 2025 • 1h 3min
072: How Church Systems Enable Spiritual Abuse—And What Must Change Now!
Join Jeff Cochran, host of Church Disrupted and board member at the Spiritual Abuse Institute, as he highlights the alarming ways church systems can enable spiritual abuse. He discusses the urgent need for transparency and accountability in both mega and mid-sized churches. Cochran reveals how organizational protection often overshadows individual well-being and emphasizes the necessity of honest conversations for meaningful change. This insightful discussion also advocates for prioritizing community-centered values and introducing proactive safety measures in church governance.

Feb 18, 2025 • 1h 27min
071: A NEW Reformation? How To Restore Trust In The Church
In this episode of the Church Disrupted Podcast, Jeff Cochran and Drew Cordell (the author of Honest Christianity) explore the pressing need for reformation within the church, discussing the decline in trust towards church leadership, the troubling intersection of business practices and church operations, and the importance of accountability and transparency from churches and pastors. This conversation highlights the tension of frustration and hope for the church's future at the same time. Follow Drew's work and get his book here: https://www.honestchristianity.org/Find out more about the Spiritual Abuse Institute and the Church Disrupted Podcast at https://www.spiritualabuse.institute/.Want to support SAI financially?https://donorbox.org/sai-initial-funding-campaignJoin the church disrupted COMMUNITY here: https://discord.gg/nbWwg8Sz6ZLearn more about the Safe Church Pledge Here: https://www.spiritualabuse.institute/safechurchpledgePlease Subscribe and Share!Chapters00:00 Introduction to Drew Cordell and His Journey07:07 The Need for Reformation in the Church12:52 Cultural Shifts and the Church's Response18:09 Business Practices vs. Church Values25:05 The Role of Systems in Church Growth31:11 Identifying Areas for Change in the Church37:42 Disruption vs. Reformation in the Church43:22 The Importance of Questions in Faith44:47 Reallocation of Resources in the Church47:05 Restoration vs. Reformation in the Church50:56 Curiosity and the Pursuit of Truth56:43 The Priesthood of All Believers01:02:02 Safe Church Practices and AccountabilityFair Use Disclaimer:This video may contain copyrighted material the use of which has not always been specifically authorized by the copyright owner. All clips used are protected by the Fair Use Doctrine within Title 17 of the United States Code. This doctrine safeguards the use of copyrighted material for transformative purposes, such as commentary, criticism, review and news reporting. Under Title 17 U.S.C. § 512(f), any person who makes a false, bad faith, or misleading copyright claim or uses a copyright takedown to infringe on free speech, criticism, or commentary can be held liable for damages to the content creator.Hosseinzadeh v. Klein, 276 F.Supp.3d 34 (S.D.N.Y. 2017); Equals Three, LLC v. Jukin Media, Inc., 139 F. Supp. 3d 1094 (C.D. Cal. 2015).

Feb 13, 2025 • 2h 41min
070: Rebuking Popular Mega Church Pastor For Shameless Bully Pulpit Behavior
In this episode of the Church Disrupted Podcast, Jeff Cochran addresses a public rebuke directed at Landon Schott, the senior pastor of Mercy Culture Church, over bully pulpit tactics that demonize detractors and questioners of Mercy Culture. This episode focuses on the importance of correction, repentance, and restoration in church discipline and sets a Biblical foundation for how to bring correction and church discipline to leaders and pastors in the church.Read the original article about what's going on at Mercy Culture here:https://julieroys.com/dallas-area-megachurch-pastor-calls-neighbors-evil-and-demonic-in-clash-over-building-project/Find out more about the Spiritual Abuse Institute and the Church Disrupted Podcast athttps://www.spiritualabuse.institute/.Want to support SAI financially?https://donorbox.org/sai-initial-funding-campaignJoin the church disrupted COMMUNITY here:https://discord.gg/nbWwg8Sz6ZLearn more about the Safe Church Pledge Here:https://www.spiritualabuse.institute/safechurchpledgePlease Subscribe and Share!Fair Use Disclaimer:This video may contain copyrighted material the use of which has not always been specifically authorized by the copyright owner. All clips used are protected by the Fair Use Doctrine within Title 17 of the United States Code. This doctrine safeguards the use of copyrighted material for transformative purposes, such as commentary, criticism, review and news reporting. Under Title 17 U.S.C. § 512(f), any person who makes a false, bad faith, or misleading copyright claim or uses a copyright takedown to infringe on free speech, criticism, or commentary can be held liable for damages to the content creator.Hosseinzadeh v. Klein, 276 F.Supp.3d 34 (S.D.N.Y. 2017); Equals Three, LLC v. Jukin Media, Inc., 139 F. Supp. 3d 1094 (C.D. Cal. 2015).Chapters00:00 Public Rebuke and Its Purpose05:48 Understanding Church Discipline12:03 The Context of the Rebuke18:12 Behavioral Concerns and Spiritual Abuse23:54 Conclusion and Call for Restoration39:36 The Dangers of Othering in Community Discussions45:09 Prophetic Words and Accusations53:45 The Complexity of Good and Bad in Ministry01:01:52 The Importance of Correction and Truth01:12:46 The Need for Healing and Restoration01:17:58 A Call for Unity and Constructive Dialogue01:25:55 Scriptural Context and Accusations01:32:39 Power Dynamics in Leadership01:39:10 Fear Language and Its Impact01:46:42 Hubris and Community Relations01:54:08 Witch Walks and Community Tensions01:59:16 The Role of Narrative in Accusations02:06:01 The Misuse of Scripture in Spiritual Abuse02:12:05 The Call for Repentance and Restoration02:22:22 Identifying Signs of Spiritual Abuse02:30:00 A Path Forward for Mercy Culture

Feb 3, 2025 • 1h 15min
069: How This PASTOR Went From DECONSTRUCTING His Faith To Becoming A Trauma Informed Theologian
In this episode of the Church Disrupted podcast, Jeff Cochran engages with David Ruybalid, a trauma-informed theologian, discuss his journey from faith deconstruction to healing. they talk together about the complexity of spiriutal abuse, how to deal with conflict in the church, the need for accountability, and how churches can create safe and trauma informed environments.
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- https://davidruybalid.com/
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Chapters
00:00 Intro
07:01 Navigating Spiritual Abuse and Trauma
14:03 The Role of Questions in Faith Development
20:05 Understanding Trauma and Its Impact on Disclosure
27:03 Misuse of Scripture: Matthew 18 and Church Discipline
37:57 Supportive Environments for Personal Growth
39:35 Understanding Matthew 18 in Modern Context
41:03 The Importance of Humility and Accountability
43:12 Selective Enforcement of Church Policies
44:54 Principles for Better Church Leadership
45:51 Exposing Darkness: The Role of Accountability
49:01 The Burden of Pastoral Leadership
52:22 The Need for Systemic Change in Churches
54:20 The Prevalence of Spiritual Abuse
57:22 The Role of Systems in Church Culture
01:01:24 Reimagining the Role of Pastors
01:03:13 Missteps in Addressing Mental Health
01:07:41 Creating Safe Church Environments
01:10:56 Introducing the Religious Trauma Network


