

Thoughts on Record: Podcast of the Ottawa Institute of Cognitive Behavioural Therapy
Dr. Pete Kelly
Thoughts on Record is the podcast of the Ottawa Institute of Cognitive Behavioural Therapy (OICBT) located in Ottawa, Ontario, Canada. Each week we explore topics relevant to clinicians and mental health consumers from a cognitive behavioural perspective; however, if you’re generally interested in psychology, psychotherapy, evolutionary psychology, mental health, the brain, dynamics of human behaviour, creativity, wellness & performance then this podcast will certainly be of interest to you. Thoughts on Record is hosted by OICBT clinical psychologist Dr. Pete Kelly, C. Psych. Dr. Kelly is a Clinical Professor in the School of Psychology at the University of Ottawa and Adjunct Research Professor in the Department of Neuroscience at Carleton University. In addition to his clinical work, Dr. Kelly is actively involved in directing speciality programming at OICBT, teaching and supervision, providing workshops to mental health professionals and is a frequent speaker to organizations around the impact of stress on well-being. Email the show: oicbtpodcast@gmail.com. You can visit the OICBT at www.ottawacbt.ca. Original theme music courtesy of OPK5, outro music courtesy of Baldhero & Van Whelan https://baldherovanwhelan.bandcamp.com
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Feb 21, 2022 • 49min
Dr. Uma Naidoo: This is Your Brain on Food
Comments or feedback? Send us a text! The interface between nutrition and mental health is a fascinating area of study that is of great interest to both mental health clinicians & clients alike; however, it can be at times difficult to find coherent messaging and/or data-driven information as it relates to the link between diet and psychological well-being. Uma Naidoo, MD, a board-certified psychiatrist, professional chef, and nutrition specialist joins us for a wide-ranging discussion about themes explored in her new book This is Your Brain on Food including: how Dr. Naidoo combined her training as a psychiatrist, professional chef and nutritional specialist to write her book "This is Your Brain on Food"forming realistic expectations around the potential impact of nutrition and supplements on symptoms of mental disordersthe special role that inflammation may play in the exacerbation and maintenance of mental health symptomsthe enteric nervous system and the role the microbiome/gut flora might be playing with respect to mental healththe pros/cons of supplements vs. real foodthe role that food & nutrition can play in the context of an overall treatment strategythe dangers of compulsive monitoring of food intake and the balance that must be achieved in this respectspecific food-based strategies for anxietyconsiderations around caffeine and well-being, including guidance around recommended daily intakeDr. Naidoo's opinion with respect to elimination diets for assessing the relationship between nutritional factors and mental illness the link between ADHD and sugar, as well as gluten and mental health challengesDr. Naidoo's stance of being "diet agnostic" in the context of evaluating strategies such as "low carb", "carnivore", or ketogenic dietconsiderations around how medication interacts with nutritionDr. Naidoo's overall diet recommendationsDr. Naidoo's favourite brain friendly recipeUma Naidoo, MD is a board-certified psychiatrist, professional chef, and nutrition specialist. She is currently the Director of Nutritional and Metabolic Psychiatry at Massachusetts General Hospital (MGH), where she consults on nutritional interventions for the psychiatrically and medically ill; Director of Nutritional Psychiatry at the Massachusetts General Hospital Academyand in private practice. She also teaches at The Cambridge School of Culinary Arts. She blogs for Harvard Health and Psychology Today and has just completed a unique video cooking series for the MGH Academy, which teaches nutritional psychiatry using culinary techniques in the kitchen.Dr. Uma has appeared as amental health and nutrition expert on Live withKelly & Ryan, Today Show, 700 Club, Impact Theory, and been featured in the Wall Street Journal, Shape, Parade, Boston Globe, mindbodygreen and more. https://umanaidoomd.com

Feb 7, 2022 • 1h 23min
Dr. Jeff Perron, C.Psych: Monetary Policy & Bitcoin - The Macroeconomics of Well-Being
Comments or feedback? Send us a text! Owing to a rapidly changing world, many clinicians understandably feel it is increasingly difficult to keep track of (let alone integrate) considerations around systems level challenges (e.g., social media, political polarization, housing shortage, monetary policy etc.) that may be germane to their day-to-day work with clients. In this conversation, Dr. Pete Kelly, C.Psych and Dr. Jeff Perron. C.Psych, MBA, share some of their thoughts on what they have been observing going on in the world based on their respective lens, as well as through the lens of clinical psychologists who are trying to help clients in an ever increasingly complex and distressing environment. In this conversation (recorded January, 2022) they place a particular focus on how current monetary policy could promote inequity and division in society as well as discuss how innovations like Bitcoin (perhaps surprisingly to many) could reflect a new way forward as per the issues raised in the discussion. Topics covered include:reflections on noted shifts in macroeconomic patterns, political polarization and the "accelerant" influence of social media in this respectthe potential benefits of mental health clinicians having awareness of systems level challenges faced by their clients the challenge of science vs. advocacy driven narratives around important policy issuesthe role that current monetary policy could play in accelerating political polarization and economic disparity the definition of "money" and types of moneythe challenges associated with fiat currencies related to inflation and how this drives division and inequityconcerns around sustainability of current financial paradigmsa very brief primer on Bitcoin and the role this emergent currency platform could play in addressing some of the challenges related to division and inequity of Fiat currencyIMPORTANT: Neither Drs. Kelly nor Perron are licensed investment advisors and none of the content in this podcast should be regarded as financial or investment advice. The content of today's discussion is for general information only. All opinions expressed are Dr. Kelly and Dr. Perron's alone. Feedback or comments? Email the show: oicbtpodcast@gmail.comDr. Jeff Perron, MBA, C.Psych is a Clinical Psychologist who works with adults. His work focuses primarily on helping clients who are experiencing anxiety, low mood, loss, burnout, life transitions, or general challenges in executing on goals that are important to them. He takes a CBT approach to helping clients identify their values and works with them to align their life more closely with those values. He works to clarify client goals early on and adapt them as needed, while working to help make sure that the process consistently feels focused and aligned with client goals. Dr. Perron completed his undergraduate training in Psychology at McMaster University and his PhD at the University of Ottawa, including a Residency at the Ottawa Institute of CBT. Dr. Perron also has experience in business, economics, and human resources, holding an MBA from Wilfrid Laurier University. Linked In: https://www.linkedin.com/in/perronjeff/Twitter: @DrJeffPerron

Jan 24, 2022 • 1h 10min
Dr. Kristen Ellard: Unified Protocol for Transdiagnostic Treatment of Emotional Disorders
Comments or feedback? Send us a text! While a number of empirically supported, disorder-specific treatment protocols exist, it is frequently the experience of clinicians that clients present with co-morbid symptoms - that is, symptoms of a number of mental disorders at the same time. This can present challenges around treating concurrent symptoms and/or what to prioritize in treatment. Dr. Kristen Ellard, Clinical Psychologist, Professor & co-developer/co-author of the Unified Protocol for Transdiagnostic Treatment of Emotional Disorders, a cognitive behavioral treatment designed to target emotion dysregulation across mood and anxiety disorders, joins us for a fascinating discussion in which we cover: the origin story and philosophical underpinnings of the Unified Protocolhow the Unified Protocol model proposes that normally adaptive emotional & behavioral processes are translated into psychopathology the basic structure of Unified Protocol including core interventionsthe proposed mechanism of changes within the Unified Protocol's modelwhether commonly employed theoretical models in psychology (e.g., CBT, psychoanalytic, ACT, EFT etc) actually match the way in which the brain actually works how to leverage knowledge of how the brain processes information to maximize the effective deployment of psychotherapythe critical role of somatic (interoceptive) sensations in the construction of emotional experienceshow subcortical or “unconscious” areas of the brain might make calculations with respect to threat, attraction, preferences etc. what we can learn about brain function and the importance of sense of self in the context of mental disorders from emergent data around the therapeutic benefits of psychedelicsComments or Feedback? Email the podcast: oicbtpodcast@gmail.comKristen Ellard, Ph.D. is Assistant Professor in Psychology at Harvard Medical School and Director of Dimensional Neuroimaging Research at the Massachusetts General Hospital Division of Neuropsychiatry. She completed her PhD in clinical psychology at Boston University under the mentorship of Dr. David Barlow, and completed her clinical internship and postdoctoral fellowship at Massachusetts General Hospital/Harvard Medical School. She was co-developer and co-author of the Unified Protocol for Transdiagnostic Treatment of Emotional Disorders, a cognitive behavioral treatment designed to target emotion dysregulation across mood and anxiety disorders, which has now been translated into six languages. Dr. Ellard’s research uses transdiagnostic, dimension-based neuroscience and behavioral approaches to understand the roots of severe cognitive and affective dysregulation in neuropsychiatric disorders, and to find more efficient and effective means to address this dysregulation through combined behavioral and neuromodulatory approaches such as transcranial magnetic stimulation (TMS) and deep brain stimulation (DBS). She has received several foundation awards and two NIH National Research Service Awards for her research program (F31/F32), including most recently a Fellowship Award through the MGH and Brown University Joint Training Program in Recovery and Restoration of CNS Health and Function (T32) and a Mentored Patient-Oriented Career Development Award (K23) from the NIMH.https://dnn.mgh.harvard.edu/member/kristen-k-ellard-phd/

Jan 10, 2022 • 1h 27min
Dr. Michael Greenberg: Rumination Focused ERP
Comments or feedback? Send us a text! Rumination in the context of OCD, anxiety & depression is often conceptualized as an automatic & intrusive psychological experience for which there is little relief beyond distraction, mindfulness etc. Dr. Michael Greenberg, clinical psychologist and Director of OCD Associates, has re-framed rumination as a compulsion which is amenable to treatment via a number of specific techniques. In this conversation we cover:how Dr. Greenberg's conceptualization of OCD differs from traditional conceptualizations of OCDthe unique contribution and value that psychodynamic models can bring to the conceptualization and treatment of OCDthe concept of the "core-fear" in OCDwhy rumination is so often thought of as an intrusive thought and the case for re-conceptualizing rumination as a compulsionthe importance of differentiating between awareness and attention with respect to mental eventsa brief summary of Dr. Greenberg's critiques of Acceptance & Commitment Therapy (ACT), particularly in the context of OCDthe form and function of rumination for most clients and the principles that need to be taught to clients in order to teach them to stop ruminatingdifferentiating between constant intrusive, automatic thoughts & ruminationa consideration of whether rumination in OCD is functionally or qualitatively different than in depression, generalized anxiety disorder etc. reflective pondering vs. brooding in the context of effective problem solvingexamples of response prevention in the context of rumination and Dr. Greenberg's conceptualization of ERP more generally integration of core belief work/psychodynamic principles for examining stuck points in OCD therapy.Comments or Feedback? Email the show: oicbtpodcast@gmail.comHost note: We will be offering a 6 week essentials of CBT workshop that I will be facilitating beginning March 24, 2023. For more information and registration, please visit: https://www.ottawacbt.ca/news. Dr. Michael Greenberg is a licensed clinical psychologist and the director of OCD Associates, a national telehealth practice specializing in Rumination-Focused ERP. He holds a PhD in clinical psychology from Fairleigh Dickinson University, where he trained in both Cognitive-Behavioral Therapy (CBT) and psychodynamic psychotherapy. He completed specialized training in CBT for anxiety disorders and OCD at Mount Sinai Hospital, and in the treatment of personality disorders and serious mental illness at Nassau University Medical Center. He completed post-doctoral training at Terrap, one of the oldest and best established CBT centers on Long Island. He is licensed in New York, California, and Virginia.https://drmichaeljgreenberg.com/ocdassociates/

Dec 20, 2021 • 1h 27min
The Fascinating Origins & Complexity of Depression - A Fireside Chat with Dr. Pete Kelly, C.Psych
Comments or feedback? Send us a text! While low mood & sadness are very frequently adaptive responses to life's challenges, there are times where this normally adaptive mechanism is applied for too long, at the wrong time, or at the wrong intensity in the form of major depressive disorder. In our 2nd annual Fireside Chat geared for mental health clinicians and consumers alike, host of Thoughts on Record, Dr. Pete Kelly, C.Psych provides an in-depth overview of depression from a variety of perspectives including: the cognitive, behavioral, physiological & emotional symptoms of depressionhow depression is diagnoseddepressive episode specifiers/subtypesrisk factors and warnings signs related to suicidea brief description of bipolar disorderthe evolutionary & functional significance of symptoms of depressionwhen and how depression goes from being adaptive to a problem of clinical significancethe critical role of loss in depressionrisk factors and vulnerability factors for depressionthe central relationship between anxiety & depressionconceptualizing the mechanics of depression from a CBT perspective (e.g., mood loops, cognitive distortions, TRAP-TRAC model, rumination, values, core beliefs, perfectionism, pain vs. suffering, etc)evidence based psychotherapy for depressiona brief overview of CBT interventions for depression (e.g., behavioural activation, cognitive restructuring, behavioural experiments)the case for proactive treatment of depressionsome thoughts on selecting a psychotherapistgeneral thoughts on integrating medication into treatment for depressionrecommended self-help resourcesComments or feedback? Email us at oicbtpodcast@gmail.comIf you are experiencing thoughts of self-harm or suicide please go to your local emergency room. In addition, the following resources are available: Canada Suicide Prevention Service: 1-833-456-4566 (24/7)National Suicide Prevention Lifeline (United States): 1-800-273-8255For a list of International Crisis Lines please visit: https://www.opencounseling.com/suicide-hotlines

Dec 13, 2021 • 58min
Hope Arnold, LCSW, MA: Radically Open DBT for Overcontrol/OCPD
Hope Arnold, LCSW, MA, a supervisor and trainer in Radically Open DBT (RO DBT), discusses how this unique therapy approach targets overcontrol disorders like OCPD. She explores how RO DBT differs from traditional DBT, focusing on emotional expressiveness and social connectedness. Arnold shares insights into the biology and development of overcontrol, the importance of addressing perfectionism, and the need for clinicians to recognize their own tendencies towards overcontrol. Practical tips for clients and therapists are provided, emphasizing the journey toward adaptive connectedness.

Nov 29, 2021 • 1h 5min
Dr. Philip Grandia, C.Psych: Working With Clients With An Intellectual Disability
Comments or feedback? Send us a text! Clients with both an intellectual disability and mental health diagnosis are among the most vulnerable members of our society; however, these clients often face significant barriers with respect to accessing services for a number of complex reasons. Dr. Philip Grandia, C. Psych joins us for an in-depth discussion of working with clients with an intellectual disability in a mental health context. In this episode we cover: a general overview and description of intellectual disability (ID) including diagnostic criteriaimportant considerations around differential diagnosis in the context of IDmental illness in the context of ID including frequently observed patterns of comorbiditythe very special concern of trauma & exploitation of clients with IDhow anxiety and depression presents in clients with IDthe role and caveats around the use of medication in clients with IDassessing one's own competency to deliver psychotherapy to clients with IDaddressing issues of capacity and consent when initiating treatmentassessing safety effectively in clients with IDclinician perceptions of clients with ID that reflect a barrier to accessing servicesthe types of CBT interventions that can be effective and helpful in clients with IDrewarding aspects of working with this populationDr. Philip Grandia is a Clinical Psychologist at The Royal Ottawa Mental Health Centre. Following his first career as an infantry officer in the Canadian Armed Forces, Philip underwent his PhD in Clinical Psychology at the University of Ottawa. He completed his residency and supervised practice at The Royal and subsequently joined the hospital as staff. In addition to his clinical work, Philip is actively engaged in program evaluation initiatives and Psychology training. He currently works on The Royal’s three dual diagnosis teams in the Community Mental Health Program.Have feedback or comments? Email the show: oicbtpodcast@gmail.comPlease note that while all emails are read, we are not able to reply to all messages that are sent. Emailing Thoughts on Record does not establish a clinician-patient relationship with the Ottawa Institute of Cognitive Behavioral Therapy (OICBT). Moreover, we are not able to provide any comment or advice with respect to either general or specific clinical or personal situations. If you live in Ontario, Canada and wish to seek clinical services from the OICBT please visit www.ottawacbt.ca. If you are experiencing a mental health emergency, please contact your health care provider and/or proceed to the nearest emergency department. The following resources are also available: Canada Suicide Prevention Service: 1-833-456-4566 (24/7)National Suicide Prevention Lifeline (United States): 1-800-273-8255For a list of International Crisis Lines please visit: https://www.opencounseling.com/suicide-hotlines

Nov 15, 2021 • 58min
Dr. Andrea Ashbaugh: What is Mental Illness (and How Do We Know)?
Comments or feedback? Send us a text! Conversations around the conceptualization, development & implementation of diagnostic frameworks around mental illness often generate more questions than answers, but are endlessly fascinating in their ability to pull on a number of diverse & interesting threads of inquiry. Clinical psychologist, professor & former president of the Canadian Association for Cognitive & Behavioural Therapies (CACBT), Dr. Andrea Ashbaugh, C.Psych returns to Thoughts on Record for a discussion of diagnostic frameworks for mental illness. In this conversation we cover:thoughts on the conceptualization of mental illnessthe functional utility/evolutionary significance of mental health "symptoms" - even when frequent and/or intensecultural expectations around the experience of psychological pain advantages and challenges of current diagnostic symptoms (e.g., DSM 5, ICD-11)mental health consumer expecations around receiving a diagnosispotential benefits and harm that can come with a diagnosisthe emergence of potential dimensional models of diagnosis (e.g., The Hierarchical Taxonomy of Psychopathology (HiTOP)) transdiagnostic treatment of psychopathology, with a special focus on managing comorbidityconsideration of some common diagnostic conundrums e.g., severe symptoms in high functioning clientsAndrea Ashbaugh is an associate professor in the School of Psychology at the University of Ottawa, Director of the Centre for Psychological Services and Research, and is a licensed clinical psychologist in the province of Ontario, Canada. She obtained her master's and Ph.D. in Clinical Psychology from Concordia University in Montreal, Quebec, Canada and completed a post-doctoral fellowship in the Department of Psychiatry at McGill University and the Douglas Mental Health University Institute, in Montreal, Quebec, Canada.She is director of the Cognition and Anxiety Studies Laboratory (CASL) and the Sex and Anxiety Research Group (SAX-RG). Her research interests as part of CASL centre around understanding the causes and developing treatments for anxiety and fear-related problems. She has recently started a program of research to understand the causes and psychological effects of experiencing traumatic and non-traumatic events that transgress one’s moral beliefs (Moral Injury) in military personnel and veterans. Her research in the context of the SAX-RG centres around the impact of beliefs about arousal sensations and context on the interpretation of arousal, and its impact on sexual interest and functioning. She has received funding for her research broadly including from Natural Sciences and Engineering Research Council of Canada and the Social Sciences and Humanities Research Council of Canada.Dr. Ashbaugh regularly supervises CBT training and teaches courses on psychopathology and clinical psychology at both the graduate and undergraduate level. She has served on the Editorial Boards of Psychological Assessment. She is currently an Associate Editor for the Journal of Behavior Therapy and Experimental Psychiatry and editorial board member for Behaviour Research and Therapy. She is a former president of the Canadian Association for Cognitive and Behavioural Therapies (CACBT) and was seminal in the development of national CBT training guidelines that were released by CACBT in May 2019.

Nov 8, 2021 • 60min
Imi Lo: Reflections on Psychotherapy & Conceptual Frameworks
Comments or feedback? Send us a text! While most psychotherapists identify with one predominant theoretical orientation, in practice it is common for clinicians to adopt an "eclectic" approach that aligns with the varied lens/interests a clinician might hold as well as to meet the varied needs of clients. Consultant, coach, author and podcast host, Imi Lo, joins host Dr. Pete Kelly for a very wide-ranging discussion of a variety of topics related to psychotherapy including: Imi's preferred theoretical orientation, conceptual framework and why she has chosen to focus on work with emotionally intense and highly sensitive peopleblending psychodynamic and CBT principlesa brief discussion of the schema therapy model, with a focus on mode workthe judgment that can be inherent in the conceptualization of personality disorderscurrent conceptualizations of mental illness and the functional utility of "symptoms"the inner lives of highly sensitive, intense peoplethe notion of emotional "over-control" and a brief consideration of the utility of RO-DBT in this contextnavigating & integrating the ongoing tension between champions of "vulnerability" vs "radical self-responsibility"Imi's reflection on process-related aspects of therapymanaging emotional depletion to avoid burnoutreflections on principles of acceptance, and not resisting one's experience (for clinician and client, alike)description of, and navigation of the so-called "midlife passage" some overall thoughts on current areas of interest and growth in psychotherapyImi Lo is a consultant for emotionally intense and highly sensitive people. She is the author of Emotional Sensitivity and Intensity, available in multiple languages, and The Gift of Intensity. Imi is the founder of Eggshell Therapy and Coaching, working with intense people from around the world. Imi has practised as a social worker and therapist in London (U.K). She has trained in mental health, psychotherapy, art therapy, philosophical counseling, and mindfulness-based modalities. She works holistically, combining psychological insights with Eastern and Western philosophies such as Buddhism. Imi’s credentials include a Master in Mental Health, Master of Buddhist Studies, Graduate Diploma in Psychology, Bachelor of Social Science in Social Work, Certificate in Logic-based Therapy, and an Advanced Diploma in Contemporary Psychotherapy. She has received multiple scholarships and awards including the Endeavour Award by the Australian Government. She has been consulted by and appeared in publications such as The Psychologies Magazine, The Telegraph, Marie Claire, and The Daily Mail.eggshelltherapy.com

Nov 1, 2021 • 59min
Dr. Sidarta Ribeiro - The Oracle of Night
Comments or feedback? Send us a text! Dreams have long been a source of fascination, mystery & intrigue, yet there is now an abundance of scientific evidence to shed light on the origins, nature, and purpose of this captivating aspect of the human experience. Sleep neuroscientist Dr. Sidarta Ribeiro, joins host Dr. Pete Kelly, C.Psych for an in-depth consideration of many of the themes explored in his book The Oracle of Night: The History & Science of Dreaming. In this discussion they cover: what led Dr. Ribeiro to write The Oracle of Night and the meaning behind the titlethe definition of a "dreaming" and the functions dreaming may servethe underlying neuroscience of dreaming parallels between dreams and what is experienced during psychedelic experienceswhy emotions in dreams can feel so incredibly intense compared to that which is experienced when awakethe science behind lucid dreaming and tips on how to become proficient in lucid dreamingthe symbolic meaning and utility of dreams, both individually and collectively the evolutionary significance of dreaming and why has it created an adaptive advantagethe negative impact of modernity on the quality and nature of dreams and our ability to recall/utilize dream contenthow to better remember dreams and become attuned to dream content how acute sleep deprivation can act as an "anti-depressant" in the context of severe depressionthe importance of REM sleep for emotion regulationDr. Ribeiro's thoughts on the biggest unanswered questions in the field of dream study, including how dream content is selected by the brain Dr. Sidarta Ribeiro is a founder and vice director of the Brain Institute at Universidade Federal do Rio Grande do Norte in Brazil, where he is also a professor of neuroscience. He received a PhD in animal behavior from The Rockefeller University. Sidarta is the author of The Oracle of Night: The History and Science of Dreaming, his fifth book, and a contributor for Folha de S.Paulo, Brazil´s largest newspaper. He is a Member of the Latin American Academy of Sciences (ACAL) since 2016, he is associate editor of the journals PLoS One, Frontiers in Integrative Neuroscience and Frontiers In Psychology - Language Sciences. He is a member of the Steering Committee of the Latin American School for Educational, Cognitive and Neural Sciences and the Center for Research, Innovation and Education in Neuromathematics (NeuroMat). He served as secretary of the Brazilian Society of Neuroscience and Behavior (SBNeC) from 2009-2011 and was a member of the Brazilian committee of the Pew Latin American Fellows Program in the Biomedical Sciences between 2011 and 2015.


