

Higgle: The B2B Sales Club
Mike Lander
This is Higgle: The B2B Sales Club Podcast, where we bring you actionable insights about sales RFPs, Sales Negotiations and difficult Procurement discussions. It's all about helping you win more deals, and hitting your sales quota.
We talk to sales leaders, brand leaders and procurement leaders about lessons learnt on their journey to win more sales deals and get better negotiated outcomes.
The podcast is hosted by Mike Lander, an ex procurement director and entrepreneur, talking to guests about their experiences - the good, the bad and the ugly.
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We talk to sales leaders, brand leaders and procurement leaders about lessons learnt on their journey to win more sales deals and get better negotiated outcomes.
The podcast is hosted by Mike Lander, an ex procurement director and entrepreneur, talking to guests about their experiences - the good, the bad and the ugly.
Please subscribe to get updates when new episodes are released.
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Apr 13, 2026 • 38min
The New Rules of B2B Influencer Marketing with Chris Davis
In this episode we're welcoming Chris Davis, Managing Director (UK) at Hypetap, to unpack what influencer marketing really means beyond the buzzword. He explains why trust beats follower count, and how the algorithms have quietly rewritten the rules. Chris explains how a creator with a thousand followers can now outperform someone with a million, and why authenticity is the real currency that brands care about. Then, we turn the lens specifically towards B2B. I challenge Chris on what influence looks like in professional services, on LinkedIn, and inside niche industries. We talk about why going viral doesn't necessarily generate business, what changed in his own content strategy, and how misunderstanding what a client needs can kill a deal. We explore the tension between thought leadership and commercial intent, the rise of AI-written noise, and why consistency still wins every time. Topics covered during this episode include: How trust forms the foundation of authentic creator relationships. The ever increasing importance of compliance and creator accountability. What complexities arise when working with human creators instead of media inventory. How AI tools accelerate creator discovery and content analysis. Why follower count no longer guarantees content visibility like it did a few years ago. The rise of algorithm-driven content distribution and built-in virality. How niche creators thrive within specific professional communities. The implications of influencer strategy inside B2B environments. How a psychological theory can provide insight on digital relationship trust. The economic reality that most creators actually earn below minimum wage. The challenge of turning LinkedIn virality into real commercial leads. Why addressing immediate customer pain is way more effective than selling future vision. The importance of long-term consistency over short-term sales spikes. Listen now to uncover what's changing in influencer marketing before your competitors do! Chris Davis on LinkedIn: https://uk.linkedin.com/in/chris-davis-01107318

Apr 6, 2026 • 26min
Why AI Makes Reinventing Business from the Inside Out a Must with Nikki Barua, Part 2
Are traditional go-to-market models quietly collapsing under the weight of AI? I'm picking up the conversation with Nikki Barua today by looking at what reinvention actually means when agentic AI reshapes sales, marketing, and go-to-market teams in real time. We talk about why old formulas built on volume, velocity, and hustle are breaking down, and why mass personalization is eroding trust instead of building it. Nikki explains how leaders must shift from chasing output to building outcomes, rethinking everything from funnels to pricing models. The conversation quickly expands beyond tools into decision-making chaos, longer buying cycles, and the growing pressure facing executives across industries. Nikki examines what happens when entire sectors feel the shockwaves of AI overnight and why slow, cautious moves may be more dangerous than imperfect action. She walks through how organizations can approach reinvention systematically and why static transformation plans no longer survive reality. We dig into what truly changes when companies commit to ongoing reinvention, how leadership teams align around uncertainty, and why people, not technology, ultimately determine whether AI becomes a moat or a meltdown. Topics covered during this episode include: The meaning of reinvention in a world that is being shaped by agentic AI. How traditional hustle-driven GTM models are beginning to fall apart. Why volume and velocity no longer translate into trust or results. The shift from linear funnels to adaptive, feedback-driven operating loops. The growing chaos executives face from markets, geopolitics, and AI disruption. Why decision-making paralysis emerges when everything becomes a variable. How outcome-based pricing reshapes trust between partners and clients. Why entire professional services sectors feel rapid AI-driven decimation. How leadership hesitation creates greater danger than fast iteration. Where organizations should begin when reinvention feels overwhelming. The role of diagnostics in identifying readiness and highest-ROI opportunities. Why static roadmaps fail in environments that rapidly change. How reinvention becomes an ongoing process rather than a one-time initiative. Why AI transformation is fundamentally a business transformation. Tune in and discover what it takes to adapt when transformation never ends! Nikki Barua on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/nikkibarua

Mar 30, 2026 • 23min
Why AI Makes Reinventing Business from the Inside Out a Must with Nikki Barua, Part 1
What does it really take to shed an old identity and build an entirely new one from scratch? I sit down with Nikki Barua, Co-Founder of FlipWork, this week for the first of a two-parter. We go straight into the idea of reinvention, not as a buzzword, but as a lived experience shaped by survival, identity shifts, and relentless curiosity. We talk about how Nikki arrived in a new country with no resources, no safety net, and the uncomfortable reality of having to unlearn deeply held beliefs just to move forward. Nikki shares how reinvention isn't just about changing habits or careers, but about letting go of parts of yourself, confronting grief, and rebuilding identity from the inside out. We explore how belief systems evolve over time and why identity (not behaviour) is the real engine of change. We move through stories of role models, courage in unfamiliar systems, and the slow, often invisible work of rewiring how you think, speak, and show up. Nikki also begins to connect these personal reinvention themes to much larger questions about organizations, leadership, and the future of work. It sets the stage for what's coming in part two, hinting at how individual transformation scales into workforce reinvention in an era defined by constant disruption. Topics covered during this episode include: The role of isolation in forcing clarity around belonging and personal success. Why curiosity, courage, and contribution emerged as guiding personal values for Nikki. How courage looks different across cultures and social systems. The shift Nikki underwent from memorization-based learning to questioning authority. How identity change precedes sustainable behaviour change. Why belief systems must continuously evolve in changing environments. The idea of upgrading a human operating system intentionally. How adaptability becomes more important than intelligence or strength. Why large organizations struggle to move at the speed of disruption. The dangers of applying new technology to outdated organizational structures. How leadership courage is tested by uncertainty and rapid change. The emerging shift of humans from operators to orchestrators. Why work-based identity faces an existential challenge in the AI era. Start listening now and set the foundation for a much bigger conversation about the future of work! Nikki Barua on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/nikkibarua

Mar 23, 2026 • 27min
What Most Agencies Get Wrong About Referrals vs Real Partnerships with Dave Plunkett
Are you missing out on consistent revenue because you don't truly understand how partnerships actually work? Dave Plunkett, Founder of Collaboration Junkie, joins us today to unpack what partnerships really are and why so many agencies don't utilize them properly. He explains the critical difference between referrals and true commercial partnerships, and why trust-based selling is becoming more powerful as outbound becomes noisier and less credible. Dave introduces his D.A.N.C.E. framework and challenges common assumptions about cross-referrals, tech partnerships, and why "having lots of coffees" doesn't equal a strategy. As we continue, we explore how to design systems that make partnerships scalable, how to reward referrals without creating awkward incentives, and why most businesses obsess over finding partners before doing the foundational work. Dave shares real examples of agencies generating significant revenue in just weeks by activating relationships they already have. We talk about ecosystem mapping, value chains, commercialization, co-marketing with tech platforms, and the subtle but powerful art of nurturing long-term trust. Topics covered during this episode include: The distinction between informal referrals and structured commercial partnerships. Why partnerships require shared commercial outcomes, not casual goodwill. How poor outbound personalization increases the value of partnerships. The importance of understanding your customer value chain position. How upstream partners generate more consistent referral opportunities. Why downstream partners create different commercial dynamics. Why the risk of assuming partnerships must be evenly reciprocal. What a compelling partner value proposition actually looks like. How to commercialize partnerships without awkward kickbacks. The structure and philosophy behind the D.A.N.C.E. framework. How systems and structure protect and scale partnerships. The difference between incentivizing and rewarding referrals. Why nurturing requires intentional strategic and personal communication. Why engagement comes last, not first, in partnership building. Real examples of rapid revenue generated through activated partnerships. If you want partnerships that actually generate revenue, listen now and learn this incredible framework! Dave Plunkett on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/daveplunkett/

Mar 16, 2026 • 30min
What Needs to Change in Aligning Marketing and Sales Teams with Joe Fontana
Are we hiding behind sales tech instead of actually knowing how to sell? Joe Fontana, Advisor / Founding VP of Sales at Dextego, is a sales leader who's been building teams since the 90s. In this episode, we go straight into the tension that's shaping modern B2B selling. We talk about why sales and marketing still struggle to align, what's broken about incentives and KPIs, and why SDR teams might belong inside marketing. Joe challenges the way we think about prospecting today, especially the growing dependence on automation and AI. As we unpack what's changed (and what hasn't), we realize we're circling a bigger question about whether sellers truly understand the fundamentals anymore. From cold calling myths to LinkedIn prospecting strategies, we look at what actually works in 2026. Joe shares hard truths about technology becoming a crutch, why most sellers couldn't survive without their tools, and what it really means to "come correct" when approaching a buyer. We explore why big deals can't be closed over email, how fear still drives avoidance of the phone, and what buyers actually need from sellers today. Topics covered during this episode include: How sales and marketing fail to see themselves as symbiotic partners. Why misaligned metrics create tension between quota and brand building. The structural disconnect between short-term sales targets and long-term marketing strategy. How SDR teams can bridge the gap when aligned under marketing. What modern SDRs learn from frontline prospecting data. The shift from pitching to leading with curiosity and learning. How thoughtful research separates professionals from automated noise. Why over-reliance on technology weakens fundamental selling skills. The risks of trusting automation without verifying personalization. How multi-channel outreach outperforms single-channel prospecting efforts. The stark contrast between past cold-calling resilience and today's avoidance. Why large B2B deals cannot close through email alone. The reality that buyers complete most research before engaging sellers. What modern buyers truly need: clarity, credibility, and risk reduction. Hit play now and rethink everything you've assumed about modern B2B selling! Joe Fontana on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/joe-fontana75/

Mar 9, 2026 • 29min
Has AI Email Outreach Already Died? with Stephanie Melodia and Tash Rebuck
Has modern B2B sales become so automated that going "backwards" is actually the smartest move? Today we've got Stephanie Melodia, keynote speaker and Creator of Hacking Luck, and Tash Rebuck, Founder of TR Sales Consultancy, joining us to unpack what's really happening in B2B sales right now (and some of it is wildly unexpected). Tash shares why traditional outreach methods like cold calling and physical gifting are making a serious comeback, complete with superb response rates that leave mass AI email campaigns in the dust. Tash provides examples of outrageous but brilliant campaign ideas, the surprising data behind them, and why sending something tangible can spark conversations that digital channels simply can't. From there, I discuss the tension between sales and marketing with Stephanie, exploring why alignment can still feel elusive. We talk about the challenge of attribution in long B2B sales cycles, the fear around investing without immediate ROI, and the power of a single "north star" metric to unite teams. There's also a fun conversation about persuasion at the leadership level, experimentation, and what it really takes to drive net new growth in a noisy, skeptical market. Topics covered during this episode include: How physical gifting achieves over 20% response rates. An outrageous gift being sent out by a charity that effectively sparks conversations. The cost of booking enterprise meetings through creative outreach. Why cold calling response rates are rising again. The decline of mass AI-driven email personalization campaigns. How multichannel outreach can combine gifts, calls, LinkedIn, and email to get results. The challenge of reaching buyers on personal mobile devices rather than business ones. Why building connections matters more than booking instant meetings. The role of branding as lubrication for sales processes. How a "north star" metric can be used to align sales and marketing teams. The problem of attribution in long B2B sales cycles. Why leadership commitment determines marketing investment success. How diversifying outreach methods reduces reliance on one channel. The importance of mastering internal persuasion to secure buy-in. Why trying new sales experiments prevents stagnation and decline. Don't let outdated tactics hold you back. Listen now and explore bold new ways to win enterprise deals! Stephanie Melodia on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/stephmelodia-keynotespeaker/ Tash Rebuck on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/tashrebuck/

Mar 2, 2026 • 37min
Designing a Smarter Outbound Strategy with Alice Dawlat
How do you build real momentum when relationships, timing, and trust refuse to move in straight lines? I'm sitting down with Alice Dawlat, Director of Growth & Partnerships at REF Digital, letting you in on what business development really looks like when you come from a delivery-first background. We talk through her path from project management into leading growth, and why that transition is far more emotional and uncertain than most people expect. She shares how structure, organization, and precision don't disappear, they just have to evolve. We get into the uncomfortable moments where certainty doesn't exist yet, how trust is built before a contract is signed, and why the hand-off between selling and delivery can make or break everything. Later, we walk through what it takes to move from inbound opportunities to a deliberate outbound strategy. Alice talks about picking a niche, deciding who not to chase, and building credibility with people who don't know you yet. The conversation then explores how relationships start long before projects, why timing matters more than pressure, and how growth depends on resilience, alignment, and staying human in every interaction. Topics covered during this episode include: How structure, organization, and process shaped Alice's professional mindset. What triggers the shift from account leadership into business development responsibilities. How internal visibility gaps can reveal missed opportunities and broken information flow. The challenge of balancing certainty with ambiguity in early sales conversations. Why being overly detailed too early can create friction with potential clients. How negotiation really evolves through back-and-forth conversations rather than single presentations. The importance of translating sales context clearly for delivery teams. Why agencies relying only on inbound growth will eventually hit a ceiling. How outbound strategy starts with identifying the right decision-makers. Why events can become a powerful entry point for building first connections. How personalized outreach before events can create natural conversations. Why follow-up strategy prioritizes relevance over volume. How patience, resilience, and tenacity define long-term growth success. Check out this episode and discover why patience and clarity beat pressure every time! Alice Dawlat on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/alicedawlat/

Feb 23, 2026 • 29min
The Psychology Behind High-Stakes Decisions: Lessons from the CIA with Mike Mears, Part 2
Can you believe that small moments of trust and safety matter more than any sales technique? In this second of two parts with Mike Mears, we shift the focus directly into sales, leadership, and the psychology behind real influence. We explore what Mike has learned throughout his career, including why one-way communication fails and how dialogue reveals what leaders often miss. The discussion quickly moves into how assumptions quietly damage sales performance, why curiosity consistently outperforms pressure, and how traits can shape success in sales. As the episode continues, we get into the path of safety, trust, clarity, and challenge, plus why skipping any step undermines everything that follows. We unpack social pain, how easily it's triggered, and why the brain remembers it longer than physical injury. Mike explains why trust is fragile, how consistency outweighs charisma, and how even small facial expressions can create lasting damage. Mike leaves us by talking about how steady course correction beats dramatic intervention when it comes to motivating teams and driving growth. Topics covered during this episode include: How short, focused messaging followed by dialogue creates stronger organizational alignment. What employee involvement reveals about decision-making, ownership, and long-term performance. How leadership behaviours directly influence sales environments. Why making assumptions about sales performance shortcuts understanding and limits improvement. How curiosity functions as a skill that can be developed rather than a fixed trait. What safety, trust, clarity, and challenge look like as a natural psychological sequence. How unfairness, exclusion, or uncertainty can instantly derail productive sales conversations. The importance of avoiding unintentional social pain in everyday customer interactions. How small gestures, consistency, and "free gifts" establish psychological safety and trust. What reciprocity reveals about human behaviour across psychology and anthropology. Why trust depends on credibility, reliability, intimacy, and minimized self-interest. How subtle facial expressions can damage trust long after the moment passes. Why visual storytelling and metaphors make messages more memorable. Uncover the unseen forces influencing trust, motivation, and performance in this episode! Mike Mears on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mike-mears-leadership-theoretician-4627a889/ The Check-in Cheat Code: https://piscari.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/01/Checkin-Cheat-Sheet.pdf The 15 Powerful Intrinsic Rewards: https://piscari.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/01/Intrinsic-Rewards.pdf

Feb 16, 2026 • 34min
The Psychology Behind High-Stakes Decisions: Lessons from the CIA with Mike Mears, Part 1
How do trust, certainty, and human behaviour decide outcomes when the stakes are extreme? In this first part of a two-part conversation, I'm welcoming Mike Mears, a former Chief of Human Capital at the CIA, to explore the hidden mechanics of leadership and human behaviour under immense pressure. We start with his unlikely path from West Point and Harvard Business School into covert intelligence work, and how that experience exposes patterns most people never get to see. From working undercover in dangerous environments to later building the CIA Leadership Academy, Mike shares stories that reveal how trust, fear, and certainty quietly drive human decisions before logic enters the picture. We examine how leaders influence behaviour when authority alone doesn't work, and why clarity matters more than motivation. Mike explains how the CIA studies cognitive bias, uncertainty, and insight moments in the brain, along with why those discoveries matter far beyond espionage. We also look into how certainty is created, why people hesitate even when solutions look obvious, and how small behaviours can shift outcomes in high-stakes situations. Topics covered during this episode include: How covert and overt roles inside the CIA create radically different leadership pressures. What operating in "denied areas" reveals about stress, risk, and decision-making under threat. Mike's transition into building the CIA Leadership Academy from first principles of human nature. How leadership training shifts when behaviours replace abstract values and traits. The importance of psychological safety as the foundation for trust and clarity. How cognitive bias influences judgment, even among highly trained intelligence analysts. The recruiting cycle of spotting, assessing, developing, and recruiting human assets. Why relationship development matters more than persuasion in high-risk commitments. How insight moments form in the brain outside logical, analytical thinking. Why certainty reduces perceived threat and unlocks forward movement. How reciprocity builds trust through consistent, meaningful exchanges. The limitations of traditional leadership levers like metrics and authority. Why simple human needs quietly mould engagement, motivation, and commitment. Listen now to explore how certainty and trust influence outcomes long before logic does! Mike Mears on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mike-mears-leadership-theoretician-4627a889/ The Check-in Cheat Code: https://piscari.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/01/Checkin-Cheat-Sheet.pdf The 15 Powerful Intrinsic Rewards: https://piscari.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/01/Intrinsic-Rewards.pdf

Feb 9, 2026 • 31min
Why Sales-Ready Leads Are No Longer Enough with Freya Ward
Why is mass personalization with AI actually making it harder to win deals? I sit down with Freya Ward, Associate Managing Director at Headley Media, for her second appearance on the show to unpack how the B2B buying journey has fundamentally changed...and why so many sales strategies are now misaligned with reality. We dig into the shift toward long, independent research cycles and the rise of "hidden buyers" who shape decisions without ever speaking to sales. We explore why awareness, familiarity, and internal justification matter more than pushing for sales-ready leads, especially when buying committees are larger, risk-averse, and under pressure to justify decisions internally. We also get into the impact of AI, personalization, and data on trust. We examine why mass personalization often backfires, how buyer fatigue is quietly eroding confidence, and why more content doesn't always mean more influence. Freya breaks down the differences between first-party and zero-party data, how explicit intent changes engagement, and why true personalization still requires human effort. Topics covered during this episode include: The shift toward buyers completing most research independently before engaging sales teams. How elongated buying cycles now stretch from months into years for complex B2B purchases. Why hidden buyers like procurement, finance, legal, and HR influence decisions earlier. The growing size and complexity of B2B buying committees and internal decision dynamics. How trust and brand familiarity reduce perceived risk during internal justification stages. Why sales and marketing alignment becomes essential in modern buying environments. How AI enables scale but often creates noise instead of meaningful personalization. The erosion of buyer confidence caused by overwhelming content and generic outreach. What first-party data really represents in a remote, multi-device buying world. Why zero-party data provides clearer intent through explicit buyer-provided information. The role of content in supporting buyers during long research and evaluation phases. How ecosystem-based selling gains advantage through shared relationships and alignment. The importance of multi-channel presence across calls, email, social, and communities. Listen now to uncover what's quietly shaping buying decisions long before sales ever gets involved! Freya Ward on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/freya-ward/


