

Beyond The Mask: Innovation & Opportunities For CRNAs
Beyond The Mask Podcast
A podcast for the CRNA industry. Discussing the important issues that happen both in, and beyond, the operating room. With Sharon Pearce, DNP, CRNA, FAANA, FAAN and Jeremy Stanley, EA, CFP, AIF. Innovations & opportunities for CRNAs & APRNs. Visit our website for more great information https://beyondthemaskpodcast.com/ and to learn how you can get CE Credit as a CRNA just by listening to the podcast. Don’t miss our special series on CRNA History, CRNA Personal Finance & Retirement, Political Conversations, CRNA Career Issues, and our leadership series called Courage To Lead. Check out new episodes of Beyond The Mask every week with distinguished guests from the CRNA community... #anesthesiology #rn #surgery #healthcare #nurseanesthesiologist #crnaschool #nursing #srnalife #nurselife #nursingstudent #ornurse #nurseanesthesia #crnalife #nursepractitioner #medschool #anesthesialife #scrublife #icunurse #hospital #futurecrna #medical #crna #nurse #anesthesia #srna #nurseanesthetist #nurses #surgical #operatingtheatre #medicalstudent #operatingroomnurse #studentnurse #diversitycrna #ccrn #nursepractitioner #APRN #APRNchat #NPchat #midwife #NP
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Aug 13, 2020 • 44min
Ep 89: CRNA Advocacy and GRC Efforts with Debbie Barber, DNP, CRNA
Gaining a seat at the table is something our profession is working diligently to achieve so CRNAs can advocate for everyone on a local, state, or federal level. This year has served as a reminder that we need to continue fighting to eliminate barriers and moving forward. Debbie Barber, DNP, CRNA, is the former Chair of the AANA Government Relations Committee and dedicates much of her professional life to pushing for advocacy and increasing awareness among young CRNAs. Today she’s joins us to talk about those efforts along with all of the resources that the AANA has available to members.
Show notes and additional resources: https://beyondthemaskpodcast.com/?p=2595
Get the CE certificate here: https://beyondthemaskpodcast.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/Beyond-the-Mask-CE-Cert-FILLABLE.pdf
On Today's Show:
2:48 – Welcome Debbie Barber, DNP, CRNA
3:53 – Some background on Barber
6:38 – The importance of understanding CRNA practice.
8:47 – The resources offered up by the AANA
11:17 – Should the temporary CMS guidelines become permanent?
15:53 – The standard of care is the same
17:14 – State resources available from the AANA.
21:37 – Should students be involved in advocacy?
26:58 – The barriers facing CRNAs.
30:41 – CRNAs need to become the administrator rather than relying on someone else.
34:16 – Running for office could become a great retirement job.
37:44 – What other career would you have chosen if not CRNA?
38:57 – Final thoughts from our guest today.

Aug 6, 2020 • 41min
Ep 88: Courage to Lead - Former AANA President Cheryl Nimmo, DNP, MSHSA, CRNA
The next episode in our presidential series provides a thorough look at the challenges - expected and unexpected - that AANA board members face every year. Cheryl Nimmo, DNP, MSHSA, CRNA, was the AANA president in 2016-17 and she dealt with a wide range of issues that she never anticipated, including the departure of CEO Wanda Wilson.
Show notes and additional resources: https://beyondthemaskpodcast.com/?p=2589
Get the CE certificate here: https://beyondthemaskpodcast.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/Beyond-the-Mask-CE-Cert-FILLABLE.pdf
Today's show schedule:
3:27 – Dr. Cheryl Nimmo joins us today. Here’s some background on our guest.
6:45 – Remembering her year as AANA President
10:42 – No matter how prepared you are, there are always fires popping up.
11:45 – The VA issue
13:05 – The next issue that came up was CEO Wanda Wilson deciding to retire.
15:35 – Why she used a third party to search for the new CEO.
18:40 – How the decision was viewed internally.
25:14 – The next issue with Novitas.
27:20 – Then there were all the normal initiatives the board deals with.
30:22 – Most valuable leadership lessons learned during her time.
33:31 – Two other professions she might have chosen if not for CRNA.
36:17 – Everything she’s gained personally and professionally from the AANA.

Jul 28, 2020 • 54min
Ep 87: Arguments Against Keeping AANA Region Director Structure in Place
As the debate over whether the AANA should make the region director positions an at-large vote or maintain the current structure, we wanted to help present both sides of the debate. Today we look at the arguments against Bylaw Amendments 5 & 6 and Jeff Molter, MSN, MBA, CRNA, Mike MacKinnon, CRNA, MSN, Tracy Young, CRNA, MSNA, MBA, and Joe Rodriguez, CRNA, will provide their perspectives. The issue will be voted on Saturday, August 15, 2020.
Show notes and additional resources: https://beyondthemaskpodcast.com/?p=2583
Read more on the Bylaws here: https://www.aana.com/docs/default-source/exec-unit-my-aana-web-documents-(members-only)/goverance-docs/master-2020-proposed-bylaw-amendments-final-7-10-2020.pdf?sfvrsn=1f5ce5a1_2
Get the CE certificate here: https://beyondthemaskpodcast.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/Beyond-the-Mask-CE-Cert-FILLABLE.pdf
Today's show schedule:
2:34 – Introducing our guests today.
4:19 – Joe begins the discussion on why this issue is so important.
6:07 – Why this movement now after the issue passed?
7:21 – Mike on his belief that leadership is about choice.
9:47 – Are Amendments 5 and 6 separate issues and votes?
12:38 – The issue of a lack of member activity.
18:35 – Do you feel like you could represent California if you don’t live there?
21:23 – How the national leaders rely on regional directors.
23:29 – How the board members would be assigned.
29:47 – Would this mean candidates now have to run a national campaign?
31:55 – Will at-large voting disenfranchise minorities?
36:48 – What’s the larger question here?
41:20 – How can we increase interest in running for the board?
44:50 – The importance of face-to-face meetings with CRNAs
47:10 – Closing thoughts from our guests on this topic.

Jul 27, 2020 • 54min
Ep 86: Pro Arguments for Keeping AANA Region Director Structure in Place
As the debate over whether the AANA should make the region director positions an at-large vote or maintain the current structure, we wanted to help present both sides of the debate. On this episode, we’re joined by Sallie Poepsel. MSN, PhD, CRNA, Julie Linton, MSN, CRNA, and Nick Blank, CRNA, MSN, APN, to hear why region directors should represent the area in which they live. The issue will be voted on Saturday, August 15, 2020.
Show notes and additional resources: https://beyondthemaskpodcast.com/?p=2578
Read more on the Bylaws here: https://www.aana.com/docs/default-source/exec-unit-my-aana-web-documents-(members-only)/goverance-docs/master-2020-proposed-bylaw-amendments-final-7-10-2020.pdf?sfvrsn=1f5ce5a1_2
Get the CE certificate here: https://beyondthemaskpodcast.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/Beyond-the-Mask-CE-Cert-FILLABLE.pdf
Today's show schedule:
2:06 – Background on what we’re talking about.
2:55 – Our guests today.
4:07 – Julie Linton provides background on the issue.
8:44 – Wouldn’t at-large directors provide better qualified candidates?
11:57 – How a change could disenfranchise smaller states.
14:14 – Explaining how at-large voting would work.
18:19 – Nick shares an example from Region 1
21:13 – The perceived problem of regional leadership development.
26:17 – If there are a lot of great leaders out there, why aren’t they running already?
29:59 – If you abolish the current system, how assignments determined?
33:32 – Recommendation for requirements and qualifications to run.
36:49 – The one point of concern for everyone working on this issue.
38:48 – Nick adds to Julie’s point about one region or state having the majority of directors.
41:53 – Why are we going back to undo something that was voted on?
44:41 – Should the AANA function more as a business than it currently does?
47:19 – Making diversity a priority.

Jul 23, 2020 • 42min
Ep 85: The Story of the First IFNA Researcher, Dr. Maura McAuliffe
Today we bring back Sandy Ouellette, CRNA, to provide us with a look back at an important time in the IFNA’s history. Soon after the organizationwas formed, a meeting with the World Health Organization led to Maura McAuliffe, CRNA, Ph.D, FAAN, being appointed the first official researcher. Find out how it all came about as we document what was learned about nurse anethetistsaround the world over the past 30 years.
Read more and get additional resources here: https://beyondthemaskpodcast.com/?p=2569
Get the CE certificate here: https://beyondthemaskpodcast.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/Beyond-the-Mask-CE-Cert-FILLABLE.pdf
Today's show schedule:
2:41 – A topic that came up on a recent podcast about nurse anesthetists.
5:11 – What led to IFNA appointing an official researcher in the 90s?
6:34 – Maura McAuliffe, CRNA, Ph.D, FAAN, appointed as the INFA official researcher.
8:24 – Concerns for the IFNA leaders at the time.
9:29 – Why was Dr. McAuliffe the right person for the job?
11:21 – What was found from the first phase of surveys?
14:56 – How many total nurse anesthetists are there? Do we know?
19:21 – Phase 2 findings
25:09 – Why do European countries avoid using nurses in anesthesia?
31:56 – Ouellette wrote a letter to the editor about this European article.
35:51 – The future of the IFNA.

Jul 16, 2020 • 30min
Ep 84: Promoting Professional Wellness with NCANA President Linda Stone, DNP, CRNA
Now more than ever, putting a focus on your wellness needs to be a priority for every CRNA. We all deal with stress and fatigue each day so giving our body a break is important. The good news is you’ll find a lot of resources and help from the professional organizations supporting CRNAs. Let’s find out more about those along with ways to improve wellness, and we’ll do it with NCANA President Linda Stone, DNP, CRNA.
Read more and get additional resources here: https://beyondthemaskpodcast.com/ep-84:-promoting-professional-wellness-with-ncana-president-linda-stone,-dnp,-crna/2560/
About our guest: https://www.ncana.com/ncana-board-of-directors
Get CE Credit here: https://beyondthemaskpodcast.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/Beyond-the-Mask-CE-Cert-FILLABLE.pdf
Today's show schedule:
3:02 – Today we’re joined by NCANA President Linda Stone, DNP, CRNA
4:30 – Why is professional wellness important for CRNAs?
5:57 – Challenges in the workplace.
6:53 – Recent studies show burnout is on the rise.
8:41 – The issue of addiction.
9:43 – Coping mechanisms for CRNAs to use.
12:09 – Ways to develop a healthy workplace.
15:36 – Resources available for students dealing with stress.
19:08 – That feeling when leaving a leadership role.
21:52 – Here’s what the AANA offers for resources.
25:14 – Closing thoughts from Linda.

Jul 9, 2020 • 36min
Ep 83: Courage to Lead - Former AANA President Dennis Bless, APRN, MS, CRNA
The next episode in our presidential series brings us a conversation with Dennis Bless, APRN, MS, CRNA, who served as AANA president for 2013-14. His financial background provided the organization with a new perspective and that helped make significant changes that still live on today. We’ll hear about his experiences and talk with him about diversity, compensation, relationship-building, reallocation and more.
Read more and get additional resources here: https://beyondthemaskpodcast.com/?p=2469
Get the CE certificate here: https://beyondthemaskpodcast.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/Beyond-the-Mask-CE-Cert-FILLABLE.pdf
Today's show schedule:
3:32 – Today we’re joined by Dennis Bless, CRNA. He shares his career background.
9:32 - The ASA PR campaign that ran as he was taking office.
13:07 – His role with helping rebuild the relationship between the NBCRNA and AANA
15:43 – AANA also knew they had to be clear that the members were the focus.
17:05 – Towards the end of his presidency, they held a recertification summit to bring all the important parties together.
18:31 – The feeling they had when first hearing about the NBCRNA and testing.
24:33 – There was also a diversity summit during his year. Some background on how that happened.
29:19 – The work he did on CEO compensation and evaluation.
31:56 – How they decided to reallocate money and established new by-laws.
35:18 – What were the most valuable leadership lessons learned during his time as president
36:47 – Dennis leaves this message for new CRNAs coming into the profession.
38:12 – If there was any other profession he could chose, what would it be?

Jul 2, 2020 • 43min
Ep 82: The Story of Nurse Anesthesia Education and Accreditation
Nearly a century ago, nurse anesthetists took the first steps towards standardizing education and moving towards an approval process. It was a journey that faced many challenges and took various forms before reaching the point where we are today. Betty Horton, PhD, CRNA, FAAN, and Mike Kremer, PhD, CRNA, FAAN, join the show to take us through this history of education and accreditation along with where we’re headed.
Read more and get additional resources here: https://beyondthemaskpodcast.com/?p=2541
Today's show schedule:
3:34 – Another historical episode today with Betty Horton and Mike Kremer
6:06 – Why was their interest in starting an approval process for the schools of nurse anesthesia?
7:55 – What was Helen Lamb’s role in the process?
8:20 – The AANA archives are impressive.
9:08 – What all went into the accreditation process?
11:57 – When did we start approving nurse anesthesia schools and has that changed over time?
16:37 – How has the education changed for SRNAs and CRNAs
18:55 – Nurse anesthetists have lead the way in the nursing industry.
21:39 – Seeking external approval for accreditation.
25:03 – Challenges for accreditation through history.
29:54 – Physicians tried to shut down the schools at one point.
32:57 – What’s the status of nurse anesthesia education now?
36:31 – Closing thoughts from our guests.

Jun 25, 2020 • 34min
Ep 81: How CRNAs Get Lost in the Financial World
CRNAs already have plenty to worry about each day and it’s convenient to put finances to the side. As we’ve seen in 2020, the unexpected can happen at any time so we need to make sure you have a plan for your money. Today we’ll talk about the way CRNAs typically get off-track with their finances but we’ll also give you steps to getting everything in order.
Read more and get additional resources here: https://beyondthemaskpodcast.com/?p=2533
Get CRNA financial planning guidance here: https://www.crnafinancialplanning.com/
Get CE Credit here: https://beyondthemaskpodcast.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/Beyond-the-Mask-CE-Cert-FILLABLE.pdf
Today's show schedule:
3:38 – If every job paid the same, which one would Sharon choose?
5:26 – What would Jeremy choose?
8:11 – Quote of the Month: “There’s a gigantic difference between earning a great deal of money and being rich.”
9:34 – An interview with Tom Brady stuck with Jeremy.
11:21 – Mailbag question: The coronavirus scare has me convinced that the market will keep crashing again and again. I’m ready to move everything to cash right now. Is there any reason to wait?
14:27 – Getting lost in the financial world happens to a lot of CRNA clients.
15:15 – Examples of bad tools people use that lead them astray in retirement planning.
17:36 – The next issue is bad directions.
19:41 – Another reason people make mistakes is a lack of attention.
21:41 – What you need to do to get back on track.
24:40 – Don’t be afraid to ask for help.
27:30 – Develop a plan for where you want to go and how you want to get there.
29:02 – This COVID pandemic might be a bit of a financial wake-up call for CRNAs.

Jun 18, 2020 • 44min
Ep 80: Leader From the Start - Lessons Learned From a State Presidency with Julie Linton, MSN, CRNA
The continued growth of the CRNA profession will rely on the young generation taking charge and leading the way, and that’s exactly what Julie Linton, MSN, CRNA, is doing as the president of the WVANA. Today we’ll talk to her about the drive to be in leadership positions, why it’s important for all CRNAs to be invested, and how she developed her cow-milking skills.
Read more and get additional resources here: https://beyondthemaskpodcast.com/ep-80-leader-from-the-start-lessons-learned-from-a-state-presidency-with-julie-linton-msn-crna/2527/
Today's show schedule:
3:16 – Our guest today is Julie Linton
3:48 – Background on her career and current roles.
5:18 – She can teach you how to milk a cow
6:37 – Why she feels it’s important to get involved.
8:13 – Is there a disconnect between leadership and CRNAs
11:42 – Money is the great equalizer.
16:53 – What does Julie think about CRNAs that are non-members.
18:10 – Even if you don’t want to be political, paying dues is essential.
19:38 – The story of how she get involved in leadership roles so early.
23:30 – What’s it like serving on one of these leadership boards?
26:10 – What can we do to get the younger professionals more involved?
28:24 – What has your typical day looked like during your presidency?
33:28 – Favorite thing she’s done in a leadership role.
35:33 – Tell us something interesting about you.
39:25 – Sharon has one shameless request before we go.


