

The Divine Council Worldview Podcast
Dr. Ronn Johnson
Welcome to the Divine Council Worldview Podcast, where hosts Ronn Johnson and Mike Chu honor the legacy of their late friend and colleague Dr. Michael S. Heiser (author of the best-selling book The Unseen Realm). Our interest is the Bible, studying it through the lens of its original authors and audience. We will specifically take notice of created divine beings and the role they play in the physical cosmos through the ultimate authority of Yahweh, the God of Israel. Join the fun conversation!
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Jul 22, 2024 • 1h 32min
EP020: Transforming Perspectives: From Church Teachings to Real-World Impact
Join Pastor Jim Bergen, head pastor of Flatirons Community Church, as he shares his transformative journey into the Divine Council worldview. He discusses the challenges of integrating this supernatural perspective into church teachings and its impact on personal and societal issues. Discover how this approach fosters dignity in community engagement, encourages spiritual warfare, and empowers a proactive response to social challenges. Explore the importance of deeper theological understanding and authentic connections among congregational members, especially the younger generation.

Jun 30, 2024 • 1h 5min
EP019: Genesis 15 and Abraham's Loyalty
In this episode, Ronn and Mike discuss the concept of Abraham's righteousness as won through his allegiance to Yahweh in the story of Genesis 15. They explore the idea of believing loyalty (Hebrew, aman) and how it is often misunderstood in evangelical circles when defining the gospel. They highlight the importance of understanding the OT cultural context behind the concept of faith, even recommending that we take the English word "faith" out of our vocabulary when trying to explain the story of Abraham's commitment to Yahweh. The conversation concludes by summarizing the NT meaning of what it means to accept the gospel of Jesus Christ.

Jun 23, 2024 • 1h 7min
EP018: Genesis 14: Melchizedek & The God Most High
In this episode Ronn and Mike discuss the meeting of Abraham and Melchizedek in Genesis 14, even considering whether this kind of story supports the idea of divine portals or "heavenly gates" in the biblical narrative (Gen 12:8; 13:4; 28:11-12; 35:7). Most interesting to this story, of course, is their joint realization that they worshipped the same deity (el-elyon, 'the high god' cp. Pss 9:2; 7:17; 82:6; Isaiah 14:14; Luke 1:20, 32). This suggests that Yahweh (who had not revealed his name to either man at this point) was actively working behind the scenes in the lives of both individuals long before they met.

Jun 20, 2024 • 1h 7min
EP017: Genesis 12 & 13: Undoing the Covenants of Babel
In this episode, Ronn and Mike recommend that Genesis 12 and 13—the story of Abraham beginning to worship Yahweh while rejecting his tribal gods of Babylon—sets the framing story for the Bible as a whole. These early narratives are not concerned with sin and forgiveness, in other words, nor even the expectation of a Messiah. They instead answer the question of which deity a person needs to worship in order to be blessed and to be a blessing to others. It is suggested that a Creation/Covenants/Crisis model of the Old Testament's big story should replace the Creation/Crisis/Covenant outline that we so often hear about. The stories of Genesis 12 & 13 tell of a normal man facing natural fears who yet covenants with the right god. The fact that Yahweh would have been understood as a minority (even unknown) deity at this point makes the plot all the more fascinating.

Jun 13, 2024 • 1h 8min
EP016: Divine Foundations: Embracing Obedience in Everyday Missions
Get ready to be inspired, challenged, and equipped to make a difference in the world around you! In this episode, Mel delves into the transformative power of meaningful interactions and the importance of open minds and hearts when sharing Biblical insights. He emphasizes putting knowledge into action in making disciples, urging listeners to share their personal stories of divine guidance in everyday moments. Mel expounds on missionary work, highlighting that it's not just about far-off lands, but also about nurturing relationships within our own families. Amidst the discussion, Mel navigates the poignant absence of his co-host Rich, who has been battling medical issues and will be back in future episodes, reminding us all of the power of prayer and support. Tune in to discover how you can be part of God's grand plan and make a lasting impact right where you are!

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Jun 4, 2024 • 1h 12min
EP015: Genesis 12 & the God's Covenant with Abraham
The discussion centers on God's covenant with Abram in Genesis 12, highlighting its implications for mankind amidst idolatry. Personal anecdotes reveal the impact of different Bible translations on understanding scripture. Insights into Abram's polytheistic background and his calling emphasize the shift towards worshiping Yahweh. There’s an exploration of modern spirituality intertwined with cultural customs and the identity of Israel, suggesting an inclusive understanding of Gentiles within the covenant. Overall, it reflects on Abraham’s enduring legacy and faithfulness.

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May 28, 2024 • 57min
EP014: Genesis 11 & the Tower of Babel
The discussion revolves around the iconic Tower of Babel, revealing its purpose as an attempt to worship created deities. The hosts delve into the origins of language and its connection to the diversity of nations. The theological implications of Babel are explored, particularly how human ambition intersects with divine authority. Additionally, the podcast emphasizes the essential theme of true worship, arguing that misdirected worship is humanity's core dilemma. The journey from idolatry to devotion highlights the transformative faith of figures like Abraham.

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May 21, 2024 • 52min
EP013: The Genealogy of Genesis 10
Delve into the intriguing genealogies of Genesis 10, revealing key historical insights from Noah to Abraham. The podcast touches on the curse of Canaan and its impact on later confrontations with pagan worship. Listeners explore how Noah's descendants spread across geographical regions, signaling a shift away from Yahweh-worship. The discussion culminates at the Tower of Babel, foreshadowing the emergence of diverse languages and the rise of other gods. A captivating journey through ancient lineage and theological implications awaits!

May 13, 2024 • 1h 28min
EP012: Crossing Cultures: Superstition, Scripture, and the Missionary Mandate
Join us for a thought-provoking discussion as we delve into personal journeys shaped by 'The Unseen Realm' and the profound impact of the supernatural on missions. Delve into the intriguing intersections of superstition, idolatry, and missionary work across diverse cultures. From pagan traditions in Christianity to demon possession in India, we explore how context shapes our understanding of scripture and the global dissemination of the Biblical message with knowledge. Uncover the epic narrative of the Bible alongside similar tales worldwide, while examining the crucial role of like-minded communities and the influence of fatherhood in our quest to spread the message of salvation.

May 5, 2024 • 53min
EP011: God's Response to a Divine Insurgency
This episode finds Ronn and Mike discussing Genesis 6-9, which begins with that odd story of the "sons of god" producing nephilim through human women (6:1-4). They agree with early Christian and Jewish tradition in viewing this story as an intense divine rebellion which led to God's decision to destroy the world with a flood. They consider what this account might mean to the larger narrative of the Bible, admitting in the end that we are left with many unanswered questions. Their conversation then notes how Noah's righteousness (taken to be his simple worship of the creator God) is compared to the corruption that had overrun humanity. The episode concludes with an overview of the year-long journey that Noah's family took on the ark, comparing this Genesis account with similar flood records in other ancient Near Eastern cultures. At least one objective becomes evident as this story ends: God is starting over, now with a new Adam named Noah.


