

The Divine Council Worldview Podcast
Dr. Ronn Johnson
Welcome to the Divine Council Worldview Podcast, where hosts Ronn Johnson and Mike Chu honor the legacy of their late friend and colleague Dr. Michael S. Heiser (author of the best-selling book The Unseen Realm). Our interest is the Bible, studying it through the lens of its original authors and audience. We will specifically take notice of created divine beings and the role they play in the physical cosmos through the ultimate authority of Yahweh, the God of Israel. Join the fun conversation!
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Mar 29, 2026 • 46min
EP102: Q&A Session #17
In this episode, Ronn and Mike answer two questions sent in by listeners: 1) Would it be possible to think of Joseph (Genesis 37-50) as a partial fulfillment of the promises made to Abraham? It seems that some of the promises made to Abraham were satisfied through Joseph and his story. 2) Please explain whether God was "silent" during the period between the testaments. It sounds like he may not have been as silent as I once thought. THIS EPISODE IS SPONSORED BY Kompass Financial Advisors is a Christian independent Certified Financial Planner® firm, offering personalized financial planning and insurance solutions to help individuals and businesses achieve long-term security. Learn more at: https://www.kompassfinancial.com

Mar 22, 2026 • 49min
EP101: Q&A Session #16
In this episode, Ronn and Mike answer two questions sent in by listeners: 1) What should we think about Roman Catholics who venerate Mary and give her titles that should be reserved for Jesus? Does God consider this idolatry? Or can God simply see this as an example of a loyal (righteous) person being unwittingly misled? 2) Why does Jesus say "ask and it shall be given"? Is this specifically for his disciples, or for us believers? And how do we deal with prayers which are not answered? Is there any reason God would keep a person in a situation that is sin when they have asked to be freed from it?

Mar 15, 2026 • 59min
EP100: Celebrating Legacy: Drenna Heiser-Hollander on Michael Heiser's Journey
In this milestone 100th episode, the Divine Council Worldview podcast welcomes Drenna Heiser-Hollander, president of the Michael S. Heiser Foundation, for an intimate conversation about the man behind the scholarship. Drenna traces the journey she and Mike shared, from their early love story through the cross-country moves that shaped his calling, the years of relentless academic pursuit, and the painful season of illness that took him from us too soon. Through it all, she reveals a fuller picture of who Mike was. Not just as a scholar, but as a husband, a companion, and a man whose life left an indelible mark on everyone it touched. She also shares how she's found new beginnings in Florida and the work she's carrying forward through the foundation to ensure Mike's legacy continues to reach those he never got to meet.

Mar 8, 2026 • 48min
EP099: Q&A Session #15
In this episode, Ronn and Mike answer two questions sent in by listeners: 1) After the resurrection, NT writers rarely refer to Jesus simply by the name "Jesus" without attaching a title such as "Lord," "Christ," or "Jesus Christ." Is referring to Jesus without a title unintentionally minimizing early Christian confession about its messiah? 2) The story of 1 Kings 22, in which a spirit is sent by Yahweh to lie to Ahab's prophets, seems to imply that created gods have the ability to manipulate or obstruct human freedom. Is this story teaching this, and are there any other OT passages which teach this? THIS EPISODE IS SPONSORED BY Kompass Financial Advisors is a Christian independent Certified Financial Planner® firm, offering personalized financial planning and insurance solutions to help individuals and businesses achieve long-term security. Learn more at: https://www.kompassfinancial.com

Mar 1, 2026 • 49min
EP098: Q&A Session #14
In this episode, Ronn and Mike answer two questions sent in by listeners: 1) Is the logic of hell (and eternal concious torment) consistent with God's justice? And if God's justice wasn't satisfied at the cross, it must be satisfied at some point, correct? 2) Could Jesus' teaching regrading loyalty to his Father be understood as a polemic against Israel's loyalty to created gods, especially Baal? Could it also be a polemic against the rebellious gods' relationship to Yahweh?

Feb 15, 2026 • 1h 4min
EP096: Q&A Session #12
In this episode, Ronn and Mike answer three questions sent in by listeners: 1) How does the origial meaning of Jeremiah 16:16 (including the idea of "fishers of men") relate to Jesus' use of the phrase in Mark 1:17? 2) Is it possible to trace the appearance of the serpent in Genesis 3 throiugh the rest of the biblical story? Is he, for example, the same being that tempts Jesus? 3) How did the gods of the nations communicate with their worshippers? Is there any written evidence explaining how and why people would choose these gods over Yahweh?

Feb 1, 2026 • 1h 14min
EP095: Beginning the Passion Week
In this episode, Ronn and Mike discuss John 12 as a theological and narrative hinge in the Gospel, situating it within the chronology of Passion Week while exploring its deeper implications for atonement, messianic expectation, and Gentile inclusion. They noted that early church councils never defined a single atonement theory, arguing instead for a flexible, text-driven, and retrospective understanding of Jesus' death that emerges only after the resurrection. Walking through key scenes—the anointing at Bethany, the triumphal entry, the growing threat posed by Lazarus, and Jesus' interaction with Greeks seeking him—they emphasized how John frames Jesus' death as the means by which the Gentile world is drawn in to Abraham's family and the ruler of this world is judged. Along the way, they challenged overly simplistic prophecy-fulfillment models, cautioned against reading the Old Testament too quickly through a New Testament lens.

Jan 25, 2026 • 1h 25min
EP094: John 11:45-57: The Gathering of Jesus' Family throuigh Death
In this episode, Ronn and Mike complete the 11th chapter of John (verses 45-57). Their main point of discussion is Caiaphas' description of the meaning of the death of Jesus in vs.52: "he prophesied that Jesus would die for the nation, and not for the nation only, but also to gather into one the children of God who are scattered abroad." Ronn recommended that this "gathering" of Abraham's family was understood by later NT writers as accomplished through Jesus' symbolic ritual cleansing of Gentiles. He noted how most discussions of Jesus' death in the NT are associated with ideas of entering sacred space ("clean," "heal," "enter," "sanctify," etc.) as opposed to ideas that describe salvation ("righteous/ness," "save/d," "salvation," etc.).

Jan 18, 2026 • 56min
EP093: John 11:1-44: The Raising of Lazarus
They unpack the Lazarus story from John 11, focusing on its dramatic tomb scene and Jesus calling Lazarus by name. They explore Martha and Mary’s responses and the cultural meaning of being four days dead. They trace Second Temple beliefs about resurrection and show how this moment shifts the Gospel toward the Passion. The episode ends with personal reflections on death, hope, and eternal life.

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Jan 11, 2026 • 1h 24min
EP092: Beyond Knowledge: When Theology Meets Real Life
In a compelling discussion, Sandra Alex, a Brazilian translator dedicated to making Michael Heiser's works accessible, shares her journey through the complexities of spiritual abuse and prison ministry. She recounts her transformation after her church's implosion and the healing power of reconnecting with scripture. Sandra also dives into the challenges of neo-Pentecostalism in Brazil and the importance of community in theological education. Her work to localize theological resources highlights how personal connections can redefine ministry.


