

Before You Buy or Sell a Business
Jared W. Johnson
Learn everything you need to know about buying and selling a business from High-Performing SBA Lender, Jared Johnson, who specializes in business acquisitions.
Jared interviews industry experts on both the buying and selling side to provide insights into the buying and selling process. Experts include brokers, attorneys, escrow officers, and seekers. You'll also hear from actual buyers and sellers about their experiences before and after the process.
If you're a buyer or a seller or thinking about becoming one at some point in the future, this is the podcast that will provide you with the information you need for a successful transaction.
Jared interviews industry experts on both the buying and selling side to provide insights into the buying and selling process. Experts include brokers, attorneys, escrow officers, and seekers. You'll also hear from actual buyers and sellers about their experiences before and after the process.
If you're a buyer or a seller or thinking about becoming one at some point in the future, this is the podcast that will provide you with the information you need for a successful transaction.
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May 14, 2024 • 43min
From Mechanical Engineer to Entrepreneur: Derek Croft's Journey to Buying a Unique Business | Ep. 32
Welcome back to another episode of Before You Buy or Sell a Business.Today, I am happy to introduce a past borrower, Derek Croft, whose recent venture into business ownership presents a unique and fascinating case study for aspiring entrepreneurs. Derek opens up about his transformative journey, beginning with his engineering background, MBA pursuit, and foray into consulting at a top-tier firm. Realizing that his true calling lay in growing and running a business, he embarked on a meticulous search for the ideal company to acquire, laying out the nuances of his strategic shift from small to larger ventures and detailing his partnership with Search Investment Group (SIG) that led him to a rather interesting business.As Derek navigates the initial challenges and triumphs of business ownership, listeners gain valuable insights into the critical role of due diligence, establishing operating agreements, and formulating high-impact strategic priorities.Immerse yourself in Derek Croft's fascinating story of business acquisition and discover essential strategies for entrepreneurial success by listening to the full episode. Stay tuned for more inspiring and educational content to guide your own business journey!______________________________________________________________________If you have questions for Jared, visit JaredWJohnson.comDISCLAIMER: The views and opinions expressed in this program are my own and/or those of my guests. They do not necessarily reflect the views or positions of my employer.

Apr 30, 2024 • 43min
Finding and Financing the Right Business Acquisition | Ep. 31
Welcome back to another episode of Before You Buy or Sell a Business. Today, I talk with Erik Fike as he shares his experience of buying a business while still working in his current role. He discusses how he found the right business, the challenges he faced during the transaction, and the lessons he learned along the way. Erik provides valuable insights into the due diligence process, the importance of finding the right lender, and the need for mentorship and guidance in the acquisition process. He also highlights the significance of having experience in running a company and the motivation behind his decision to pursue business ownership.Key Takeaways:Finding the right business: Erik emphasizes the importance of defining specific criteria for the type of business you want to buy, such as remote operation, B2B services, and revenue margins.Negotiating the LOI: Erik shares his experience of going through multiple revisions of the LOI with the seller, ensuring that all key aspects of the deal were addressed and agreed upon.The challenges of bank financing: Erik discusses the difficulties he faced in securing bank financing and the importance of finding a lender who understands the business and can provide the necessary support.The value of working capital: Erik highlights the importance of having sufficient working capital to navigate unexpected challenges and maintain stability in the business.Lessons learned: Erik advises considering forgivable seller notes to mitigate risks and protect against potential contract pauses or cancellations.Notable Quotes:"You really should have a mentor. I definitely have, and I also recommend peer groups for that same kind of thing. It's been great too." - Erik Fike"The best-case scenario with a bunch of recurring revenue is awesome. This is not one of those businesses. This is a big project-based business." - Erik FikeErik Fike's LinkedInIN THIS EPISODE00:00:00:00 | Introduction, Erik Fike's Background00:04:02:10 | Emerging ETA Space & Social Media00:17:37:01 | LOI, 9 Revisions, and Addressing Key Issues Upfront00:20:11:13 | Experienced Lender vs Unexperienced Lender00:27:06:20 | Unexpected budgetary issue in California affecting contracts00:31:03:08 | Seller Note Forgiveness and Customer concentration00:36:04:12 | Stability and Experience with Project-based Revenue00:38:05:04 | Erik Fike Answers: Do You Have a Mentor?00:39:30:02 | Erik Fike Answers: What Motivates You?______________________________________________________________________If you have questions for Jared, visit JaredWJohnson.comDISCLAIMER: The views and opinions expressed in this program are my own and/or those of my guests. They do not necessarily reflect the views or positions of my employer.

Apr 16, 2024 • 42min
Navigating Legal Considerations in Small Business M&A Deals | Ep. 30
In this episode, host Jared Johnson interviews Eric Pacifici, an attorney specializing in small and medium-sized business (SMB) mergers and acquisitions (M&A). Eric shares valuable insights and advice for buyers and sellers in the acquisition process. He emphasizes the importance of having legal representation and discusses key contractual terms such as indemnity and non-compete clauses. Eric also addresses the cost of legal services and the benefits of a fixed fee model. He highlights common challenges in SMB M&A deals, including issues with quality of earnings and seller disputes. Eric provides practical strategies for mitigating risks, such as addressing customer concentration and involving investors in the deal. Throughout the conversation, Eric's passion for SMB M&A shines through, as he offers valuable guidance for navigating the complexities of these transactions.Key Takeaways:Treat your bank as an ally, not an adversary. Your interests are aligned, and the bank can help identify potential issues such as customer concentration.The three most important contractual terms in an SMB M&A deal are indemnity, non-compete, and a strong letter of intent.Quality of earnings is a crucial aspect of due diligence. Hiring a quality of earnings provider can help uncover potential issues and protect your investment.Customer concentration is a common challenge in SMB deals. Mitigate this risk by including contingent compensation in the purchase agreement or promissory note.When bringing in investors, consider their control rights, objectives for the business, and potential impact on governance.Notable Quotes:"You're risking your financial life. You're taking multimillion-dollar personally guaranteed debt. You need to have a checklist of things that you need in your deal.""Don't be a jerk, but you don't need to walk on eggshells. You're risking your financial life, and you can always pull the plug and go do another deal.""Find smart money people who can serve as strategic advisors. It's better to have strategic alignment than just generic dollars."Resources:SMB Law GroupEric Pacifici on TwitterEric Pacifici on LinkedIn______________________________________________________________________If you have questions for Jared, visit JaredWJohnson.comDISCLAIMER: The views and opinions expressed in this program are my own and/or those of my guests. They do not necessarily reflect the views or positions of my employer.

Apr 1, 2024 • 53min
From Tech to Trees: Tommy Speigner's into the Forestry Industry | Ep. 29
In this episode of Before You Buy or Sell a Business, host Jared Johnson welcomes back Tommy Speigner to share his journey and lessons learned from acquiring a business in an industry he had never explored before. Tommy discusses the process, challenges, and triumphs he experienced in finding and buying a company. The conversation dives into the nuances of engaging with investors and the strategic approaches for buying and growing a business successfully.From the decision-making strategies to the realization of purchasing a forestry and vegetation management service company, this episode unpacks the details of identifying viable business opportunities and the role of investor relationships. Tommy's experience demonstrates the importance of adaptability and keen business acumen.Key TakeawaysTommy Speigner explains the differences between his initial solo venture and his recent team-backed approach.The episode delves into the intricacies of searching for and acquiring a business outside one's typical industry.Key discussions on leveraging relationships, networking, and utilizing different types of funds for business acquisition provide valuable insights.Tommy shares his firsthand experience with the SBA loan process, exposing both challenges and triumphs.______________________________________________________________________If you have questions for Jared, visit JaredWJohnson.comDISCLAIMER: The views and opinions expressed in this program are my own and/or those of my guests. They do not necessarily reflect the views or positions of my employer.

Mar 19, 2024 • 47min
Innovation and Adaptation: Thriving in the Entrepreneurial World
In this episode of, host Jared Johnson interviews Daniel Cox, a serial entrepreneur who recently purchased a restaurant. Daniel shares his background and journey from construction to law enforcement to the mental and behavioral health industry. He discusses how he found the listing for the restaurant and the due diligence process he went through before making the purchase. Daniel also provides insights into the challenges and opportunities he faced during the transition and the importance of having working capital. He emphasizes the value of mentors and the need for careful planning and preparation when applying for an SBA loan. The episode concludes with Daniel discussing his plans for the future, including growing the restaurant and continuing his coaching work.Key Takeaways:Daniel Cox emphasizes the importance of having working capital when buying a business, as unexpected expenses and regulatory requirements can arise during the transition phase.Conducting thorough due diligence, including spending time at the physical location and talking to staff members, is crucial to understanding the business and identifying any potential red flags.The SBA loan process requires careful planning, understanding the eligibility criteria, and preparing comprehensive financial statements. Having a mentor and organizing personal finances can also facilitate the loan application process.Daniel highlights the significance of an operating system and technology in managing and growing a business. Implementing efficient systems and staying adaptable are key to success.Holistic success, including personal fulfillment, the well-being of the team, positive community impact, and innovation, motivates Daniel in his entrepreneurial journey.Daniel Cox's TED Talk: Elevating Expertise - How Skill Synergy Shapes SuccessListen to the full episode to gain valuable insights from Daniel Cox's entrepreneurial journey and learn about the challenges and opportunities of buying and growing a business. Stay tuned for more enlightening content from the Before You Buy or Sell the Business podcast.______________________________________________________________________If you have questions for Jared, visit JaredWJohnson.comDISCLAIMER: The views and opinions expressed in this program are my own and/or those of my guests. They do not necessarily reflect the views or positions of my employer.

Mar 5, 2024 • 39min
From Searcher to Seller: Lessons Learned in the Acquisition Process | Ep 27 | Before You Buy or Sell
In this episode of Before You Buy or Sell a Business, host Jared Johnson interviews August Felker, an entrepreneur with experience in buying and selling businesses, particularly insurance brokerages. August shares his journey from starting a search fund to acquiring his first business, the challenges he faced during the negotiation process, and the emotions he experienced as a seller. He also discusses his transition into supporting others in the acquisition process and provides insights into the importance of insurance diligence when buying a business.Key Takeaways:🔹Starting a search fund allows aspiring entrepreneurs to buy an existing business and become an entrepreneur without starting from scratch.🔹The negotiation process when buying a business can be emotional, and it's important to be prepared for the different waves of emotions that come with it.🔹Building a relationship with the seller is crucial, both during the negotiation process and after the sale, to ensure a smooth transition and ongoing success.🔹Conducting insurance diligence before buying a business is essential to identify any coverage problems or surprises that may arise after the acquisition.🔹Cold calling and building relationships with potential sellers can be an effective way to find proprietary deals and stand out from competitors.In this episode:00:00:00 | Introduction00:01:10 | August Felker discusses his background and experience in buying businesses00:03:04 | What is a Search Fund?00:06:05 | August Felker on finding and acquiring his first business00:14:07 | Deciding to sell00:16:38 | Advice for sellers00:20:11 | Transition from a traditional search fund model to a self-funded model00:25:10 | Consider the seller's needs to stand out as a buyer00:31:08 | Insurance is often at the bottom of the client's list, but they still have to deal with it00:37:04 | August Felker on what motivates him00:39:09:02 Closing remarks______________________________________________________________________If you have questions for Jared, visit JaredWJohnson.comDISCLAIMER: The views and opinions expressed in this program are my own and/or those of my guests. They do not necessarily reflect the views or positions of my employer.

Feb 20, 2024 • 1h 16min
The Truth About Business Valuation: Debunking Common Myths and Misconceptions | Ep. 26
In this episode, Jared Johnson interviews Ryan Hutchins, the founder of Peak Business Valuations. They discuss Ryan's background and journey into the world of business valuation, as well as the services provided by his firm. Ryan explains the different approaches used to value a business, including the asset approach, market approach, and income approach. He also shares insights on the importance of accurate financials, the role of inventory and equipment in valuation, and the challenges of valuing small businesses.Key Takeaways:Valuing a business involves assessing its cash flow, perceived risk, and comparable transactions in the market.The asset approach is typically used for businesses with significant tangible assets, while the market approach looks at comparable transactions in the industry.The income approach focuses on the cash flow generated by the business and uses a cap rate to determine its value.Accurate financials are crucial in valuing a business, and hiring a bookkeeper can help ensure that the financials are in order.Personal expenses and inventory should be carefully considered in the valuation process.Notable Quotes:"The value of any business is what a willing buyer and a willing seller hypothetically transact at, known as fair market value." - Ryan Hutchins"Your financials will impact not only the value of your business but also how long the process takes to sell your business." - Ryan HutchinsResources:Peak Business ValuationsRyan’s LinkedInLoopNetBizBuySell______________________________________________________________________If you have questions for Jared, visit JaredWJohnson.comDISCLAIMER: The views and opinions expressed in this program are my own and/or those of my guests. They do not necessarily reflect the views or positions of my employer.

Feb 6, 2024 • 35min
Jesse Carlson’s Journey to Buying a “Recession-Proof Business” | Ep. 25
In this episode, host Jared Johnson interviews Jesse Carlson, the owner of a FedEx business. Jesse shares his journey from working in the entertainment industry to becoming a business owner. He discusses the challenges he faced during the acquisition process and the importance of thorough due diligence. Jesse also highlights the key factors that attracted him to the FedEx business model and the lessons he has learned since taking over the business. This episode provides valuable insights for anyone considering buying or selling a business.Key Takeaways:Jesse's transition from the entertainment industry to the lending industry and eventually to owning a FedEx business showcases the importance of adaptability and the willingness to explore new opportunities.Thorough research and due diligence are crucial when buying a business. Jesse's extensive research and guidance from experienced individuals helped him make an informed decision.The FedEx business model offers stability and recession-proof potential, making it an attractive option for aspiring business owners.Building strong relationships with drivers and taking care of their needs is essential for the success of a FedEx business.Owning a business requires continuous learning and adaptability. Jesse emphasizes the importance of staying informed and being open to new challenges.Quotes:"I wanted to get something that was more stable, reliable, and recession-proof." Resources:LoopNetBizBuySell

Jan 23, 2024 • 34min
Maximizing Business Value: Unpacking the Fractional CFO | Ep. 24
In this episode of Before You Buy or Sell a Business, host Jared Johnson interviews John Hannum, the founder of PPS Solutions, about the importance of having a fractional CFO for small and growing businesses. John shares his insights on the biggest mistakes business owners make, the key things to focus on when selling a business, and the trends he has observed in the small to medium business market. He also provides valuable advice for buyers looking to acquire a business and discusses the role of a fractional CFO in improving a company's financial health and maximizing its value.For more information or to contact John, visit: https://www.ppsfinance.com/In this episode:00:00:00 | Introduction00:03:41 |John Hannum on starting PPS Solutions, fractional CFO services00:06:04 | Fractional CFOs offer operational expertise and act as financial partners to entrepreneurs.00:08:55 | Biggest mistake in finance: not using clean accounting information00:09:11 | Importance of cleaning up accounting and looking at accrual accounting00:11:35 | Importance of budgeting and cash flow forecasting00:14:20 | Importance of planning for business exit and maximizing value00:17:35 | Setting goals in the first year of a three-year period00:20:26 | Creating a good story for the business sale00:22:00 | Dealing with cash sales and creative ad backs00:23:46 | Educating business owners on the implications of tax fraud00:27:09 | Advice for buyers looking to buy a business00:31:45 | Motivation to help others achieve their vision00:33:21 | Closing remarks, contact information for John Hannum__________________________________________________If you have questions for Jared, visit JaredWJohnson.comDISCLAIMER: The views and opinions expressed in this program are my own and/or those of my guests. They do not necessarily reflect the views or positions of my employer.

Jan 10, 2024 • 1h 3min
The Art of Transition: How Eric and Joy Rose Successfully Took Over a Restaurant | Ep. 23
In this episode of Before You Buy or Sell a Business, Eric and Joy Rose share their journey of buying a sushi restaurant in Salt Lake City. They discuss their backgrounds, including their experience working for the federal government and living overseas. They explain how they decided to buy a restaurant and why they chose a sushi restaurant. They also talk about the negotiation process and the challenges they faced in securing financing. Despite the obstacles, they were able to successfully close the deal and are now running the restaurant.About The Guest(s):Eric and Joy Rose are the owners of a sushi restaurant in Salt Lake City. Eric has a background in international relations and Russian language, and has worked for the federal government for nearly 20 years. Joy has a background in humanities and English secondary education, and is a licensed acupuncturist.Key Takeaways:Eric and Joy had a desire to own their own business and found a sushi restaurant that aligned with their interests.They had to navigate the negotiation process and secure financing to purchase the restaurant.The seller was willing to work with them to restructure the deal and make it more favorable for both parties.Building relationships and trust with the seller and the staff was crucial in the transition process.__________________________________________________If you have questions for Jared, visit JaredWJohnson.comDISCLAIMER: The views and opinions expressed in this program are my own and/or those of my guests. They do not necessarily reflect the views or positions of my employer.


